US making battleplans for Nuclear Iran

[Mr. Pedantic]

How is that different from what I said?

From what you said, you implied that it would go off immediately.

[Mr. Matt]

Originally Posted by computernerd

I'd love to see that.

It wouldn't take a great deal of effort really. A couple of bombing runs from a flock of pigeons would do the trick.

[Warforger]

Originally Posted by NiteStryker

US making plans for Iran nuke strategy



Does anybody honestly think that Iran will get nuclear weapons? Not in this climate. Isreal will hit them before the US can even get bombers in the air.

Im not sure why "creating a strategy" is news. The US already has battleplans created for a war with any country on the planet. I guess they mean "post-invasion" this time...

If Pakistan can get nukes then eventually Iran will get them, since they have former Soviet Scientists working for them. Nite, you seem to have the hunch that things will never change and that shitty countries will remain shitty countries, as far as I've noticed.

Also, the US has a military presence in Afghanistan and Russia would be sitting on the fence on Iran-US relations, except of course, Nuclear relations, which like America Russia wants to reduce nukes. Again, this could also be another move to pressure Iran into giving up its nukes, this is IMO a genius plan Obama has for making Iran cough up the Uranium.

[Red Menace]

Originally Posted by Nemmerle

Yes, but the thing I wonder about is whether Israel does. You keep pushing someone into a corner sooner or later he's going to take a swing at you.

True, but so far they have been rational and hopefully it will remain so.

[NiteStryker]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

True, but so far they have been rational and hopefully it will remain so.

Hopefully not to the point of being picked on at ridiculous levels.

[IrationalFear]

Hopefully I don't get shot again for posting here. . .
What happens if we stop the oppsition, and allow these Middle Eastern countries to develop nuclear weapons, and pull out now? With any luck, they might just destroy each other if the finger slips on the button, leaving the entire region's oil up for grabs. Don't reitterate that anti-terrorist propoganda, we went to Iraq (Afghanistan was a genuine cause, though) so we could secure its oil for ourselves, and America is more than willing to do so to every country over there. In all likelyhood, stating that a country has WMD potential is the perfect excuse to invade "preemptively."

[Mr. Pedantic]

What happens if we stop the oppsition, and allow these Middle Eastern countries to develop nuclear weapons, and pull out now? With any luck, they might just destroy each other if the finger slips on the button, leaving the entire region's oil up for grabs. Don't reitterate that anti-terrorist propoganda, we went to Iraq (Afghanistan was a genuine cause, though) so we could secure its oil for ourselves, and America is more than willing to do so to every country over there. In all likelyhood, stating that a country has WMD potential is the perfect excuse to invade "preemptively."

Everyone would hate the US after that. Even Israel. After all, they'd be right next to the fallout. If they still exist.

[Buddy Jesus]

Originally Posted by Nemmerle

People overly fixate on nukes. If Israel attacks Iran it may well be getting into a fight it can't win, especially if Iran has other WMDs.

I have to say, I think you're under estimating the fight Israel has within it. You better believe that when Israel goes balls to wall against Iran's nuke program they're going to be committed and ready to take any other steps necessary against the guys who want to "wipe Israel off the face of the earth." For all intents and purposes the gloves will come off so to speak.

All I have to say is I'd hate to be the country to backs Israel into a corner because, as history has shown time and time again, They lose, and they lose big.

At any rate, I don't really see the fact that the U.S. has drafted battle plans on how to deal with a nuclear Iran as news. The military's job is to be prepared for any and all potential hostile situations it could find itself in. Better to be prepared than caught with your pants around your ankles. Post invasions Iraq is a good example of being ill prepared.

[Smitty025]

Originally Posted by Buddy Jesus

All I have to say is I'd hate to be the country to backs Israel into a corner because, as history has shown time and time again, They lose, and they lose big.

Have you been following any news on Israel? There are still attacks and bombings. Neither side has "lost big". Sure, Israel may have had some success in defeating the conventional armies of nearby nations, but that's not of any concern.

This reminds me of a quote from a book on the Vietnam war written by Army Colonel Harry Summers (I read this quote in a book about the Iraq War)

"You know, you never defeated us on the battlefield," Summers Said.

The North Vietnamese officer considered this assertion for a moment, and then responded, "That may be so, but it is also irrelevant."

[Buddy Jesus]

Originally Posted by Smitty025

Have you been following any news on Israel? There are still attacks and bombings. Neither side has "lost big". Sure, Israel may have had some success in defeating the conventional armies of nearby nations, but that's not of any concern.

This reminds me of a quote from a book on the Vietnam war written by Army Colonel Harry Summers (I read this quote in a book about the Iraq War)

"You know, you never defeated us on the battlefield," Summers Said.

The North Vietnamese officer considered this assertion for a moment, and then responded, "That may be so, but it is also irrelevant."

Yes, this may be so however If Iran and Israel go toe to toe, it's going to be conventional, even when Iran mobilizeses Hezbolla and Hamas en masse, It's going to be conventional. You have to understand the mindset of Israel in this case, they would quite literally be embroiled in a fight to maintain their existence. I can personally can see even fewer civilian considerations when when fighting Iran's varsious militant arms such as Hamas and Hezbollah, especially the latter. And again as far as history has shown, in prosicuting wars against convential armies, Israel has had total success.

The reason I see this being a more conventional war is due to the fact that sides have already been drawn to some extent. Did you know that Saudi Arabia has authorized Israel the ability to use Saudi air space in the event of a strike on Iran. Iraq would be another nation that would have to "alighn" themselves with Israel due ot airspace issues. This puts these nations at odds with the likes of Iran and syria. And so the stage is set for a general, conventional, war in the region.

So again I would hate to be that nation to back Israel into a corner and threaten its existence. Catostrophic consequences for that particular nation/ group of nations would ensue.

Be all that as it may, I will grant you that no side has lost big recently as it's been more tit for tat type actions against the likes of Hamas, so in that respect you're correct it's conventional successes are not of any concern, however to reiterate my point, a bombing campaign with the inevitable ensuing war with Iran will indeed be conventional.