Pot.

[NiteStryker]

Originally Posted by Mephistopheles

Urine tests are not as accurate as blood tests to determine the exact amount of a substance in the body of a suspect at a given time.

Not as accurate down to a tenth of a percent maybe, but they are fairly accurate. We use them in the Marine Corps all the time. Maybe because they are cheaper, but they do give accurate results.

Originally Posted by Mephistopheles

A police officer also isn't allowed to force a suspect to drink water and wait until the person needs to see the toiled - that's regarded as torture and is therefore illegal.

Are you serious? Thats considered torture? Making a suspect drink water and piss in a cup is torture? Wow. What a pussified society we have. I have to do that like once a month.

Originally Posted by Mephistopheles

Causing an accident with a BAC < 1.1 o/oo is also considered a crime (in most cases) and requires a lab analysis of the suspect's blood sample.
Of course, the blood sample is taken by a doctor, the police officer is responsible for ordering the measure.

What if the suspect does not consent to a blood test?

[Mephistopheles]

Originally Posted by NiteStryker

Not as accurate down to a tenth of a percent maybe, but they are fairly accurate. We use them in the Marine Corps all the time. Maybe because they are cheaper, but they do give accurate results.

I was not speaking about disciplinary punishment. If a police officer is drunk on duty he will have to do a breathalyser test and that will generally suffice as evidence for disciplinary punishment.
If he refuses the test he will be punished for disobeying the order of a superior officer. I think this is not different in the Marine Corps.

On the other hand, you will need undisputable evidence in a criminal court. A breathalyser or drugwipe test alone won't suffice there. I think this is also not very different in the USA.

Originally Posted by NiteStryker

Are you serious? Thats considered torture? Making a suspect drink water and piss in a cup is torture? Wow. What a pussified society we have. I have to do that like once a month.

Of course, you do it voluntarily because otherwise you will face disciplinary punishment and probably lose your job.

A criminal suspect has more rights than you in the military. He can refuse to drink. What will you do then? "Force water" him with a feeding tube?
That can be quite dangerous if the suspect resists. Therefore taking a blood sample is more accurate and less dangerous than "force watering" a suspect for a pee sample.

Originally Posted by NiteStryker

What if the suspect does not consent to a blood test?

He will be restrained so that the doctor can take the blood sample. I had to restrain suspects a couple of times in the past because violent drunk criminals don't tend to be cooperative
(of course, they wouldn't have taken a breathalyser test as well).

[Pethegreat]

Are you serious? Thats considered torture? Making a suspect drink water and piss in a cup is torture? Wow. What a pussified society we have. I have to do that like once a month.

I think the difference is that you chose to work in that job and thus must comply with the requirements for employment. And forcing someone to drink water falls under a violation of the 4 amendment. I do know that medical personal can force you to drink charcoal or anything else as long as it is medically justified.

Is there a link for more info on those wipes?

[Mephistopheles]

Originally Posted by Pethegreat

Is there a link for more info on those wipes?

The one from the previous page: Securetec Detektions-Systeme AG / Products / Drugwipe 5
It is also sold in the USA: Securetec - Offering Drugwipe and a Line of On-site, Instant Drug Detection Devices.
A general Wikipedia article: Drugwipe test - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The feedback of German police officers is overwhelmingly positive.

[TIKI]

one phrase....

Study High, Take tests high, Get high grades

[NiteStryker]

Originally Posted by TIKI

one phrase....

Study High, Take tests high, Get high grades

That pushes the argument from "civilized" to "stupid".

[necrosect]

That pushes the argument from "civilized" to "stupid".

I agree in the context of a general argument, although it is interesting to note the number of people who seem to manage better in the mathematical subjects while high. At least in my experince, although I realise this is anecdotal it does make me laugh still


necro xx

[Afterburner]

Well I've never smoked pot but I was under the impression you are still capable of thinking well enough under it's influence in a general sense. Like I wouldn't have thought crunching some numbers would be any harder, unless you are really stoned.

[Commissar MercZ]

Portugal decriminalized pot back in 2000 and they haven't looked back. The naysayers then said a great calamity would befall them after doing so. The issues they used to have with drug abuse and violence also dropped quite dramatically.

[Pethegreat]

Originally Posted by Afterburner

Well I've never smoked pot but I was under the impression you are still capable of thinking well enough under it's influence in a general sense. Like I wouldn't have thought crunching some numbers would be any harder, unless you are really stoned.

You can still function to a degree, but that is based on how much you have taken and whether you ate it or smoked it. Smoking gives a much more powerful high, but it is fairly short. Eating it gives a more mild high that lasts much longer. You can still think while high, but don't expect to be able to do anything beyond very simple stuff. I get tunnel vision which does not help with being able to much beyond say a few words and get food in my mouth. But the effects are different for everyone.