[Controversial] FDA bans all flavored cigarettes

[Karst]

Originally Posted by Zamamee

What's next, banning Lucky Strikes because we can't figure out that unfiltered cigs are worse for your lungs?

Not Luckies!

So what's the reasoning behind this anyway?
I'm kinda divided on the issue of smoking. On the one hand, I think people should be able to make their own decision on that matter. And if I own a bar and I'm ok with people smoking in it, so should the government.
On the other hand, I think non-smokers who want to enjoy a meal in a restaurant shouldn't have to inhale second hand smoke.

But banning flavored cigarettes? Why? Cause they're disgusting?

[TodtheWraith]

I think bar owners should have the choice of deciding whether or not smoking is allowed in their bar. Perhaps they could be required to hang a 'smokers allowed' sign in their front window so that people know they may breathe second hand smoke before going in.

As for why its flavored cigs that are getting banned, I believe its because they are bought primarily by youths or something bullshitty like that.

[Stratopwn3r]

Originally Posted by TodtheWraith

As for why its flavored cigs that are getting banned, I believe its because they are bought primarily by youths or something bullshitty like that.

I'm 15 and I've smoked them, the only reason was because I hate the taste of any regular cig, it's like smoking candy. Doesn't mean I'm gonna go smoke something else now that they are illegal.

[Bohemund]

Originally Posted by Mr. Pedantic

[sigh...]

It's also bad for your colleagues, for the people you walk past in the street while happening to have a cigarette, anybody that travels in your car if you've ever had a cigarette while driving, as well as any person who happens to enter your home (this of course, doubly includes any dependants, spouses, partners, parents, siblings, and other relatives).

I may have missed some. Please feel free to fill them in as necessary.

There is no hard evidence that second hand smoke has any harmful effect on you at all... especially outdoors. Yes, i can understand the reasoning behind banning smoking in planes, bars, etc. But banning cigarrettes period is something one would expect in a police state, not a democratic country.

[Professor Dr. Scientist]

Originally Posted by Stratopwn3r

I'm 15 and I've smoked them, the only reason was because I hate the taste of any regular cig, it's like smoking candy. Doesn't mean I'm gonna go smoke something else now that they are illegal.

This is exactly why flavored cigarettes were banned. Normal cigs taste bad to kids so they try flavored kinds, then later graduate to normal cigs as an adult. The hope is that without flavored cigs kids won't become smokers. Since most smokers today started when they were kids the hope is that the total number of smokers will be reduced and the general population will be that much healthier.

The tobacco industry knows exactly what they're doing. They know that their best customers started as kids so they've marketed to kids for years. The Joe Camel cartoon advertisements were banned for the same reason, they were directed towards kids.

[NiteStryker]

Originally Posted by Bohemund

There is no hard evidence that second hand smoke has any harmful effect on you at all... especially outdoors.

... Are you serious? There is enough evidence to give the moon lung cancer. Secondhand smoke is worse than regular smoke.

Originally Posted by Bohemund

Yes, i can understand the reasoning behind banning smoking in planes, bars, etc. But banning cigarrettes period is something one would expect in a police state, not a democratic country.

Sometimes, the government has to protect you from yourself. But hey, Im all for people hurting themselves. Espically in a slow and painful process. And when you have to talk thru a throat box in 25 years, I'll laugh at you like you cant laugh.

[Rogue Nine]

Originally Posted by Bohemund

There is no hard evidence that second hand smoke has any harmful effect on you at all... especially outdoors.

Is this hard enough for you?

[TIKI]

if everyone smoked than you would be immune to second hand smoke!!!!!

for real though, if you want to smoke, smoke, if not, dont or dont be around it.....but thats not the point of this thread sooo....

REALLY for real, what the hell is the differance between flavored and non flavored? I smoke Camel Lights, I think the smell of smoke is good (dont ask, i just do) so why the hell would you ban flavored cigaretes? they taste good, they are delicious, all around amazing, you my friend i feel sorry for, I will buy cloves for good occasions, just cause there a little more classy, thanks for the imput on how they suck now....

[Zamamee]

Originally Posted by TIKI

if everyone smoked than you would be immune to second hand smoke!!!!!

for real though, if you want to smoke, smoke, if not, dont or dont be around it.....but thats not the point of this thread sooo....

REALLY for real, what the hell is the differance between flavored and non flavored? I smoke Camel Lights, I think the smell of smoke is good (dont ask, i just do) so why the hell would you ban flavored cigaretes? they taste good, they are delicious, all around amazing, you my friend i feel sorry for, I will buy cloves for good occasions, just cause there a little more classy, thanks for the imput on how they suck now....

The only real difference is in the flavor, and some ingredients (i.e. cloves). But the FDA claims they passed this ban to prevent kids from smoking them because they taste better than regular cigarettes. I'm gonna miss my cloves.

[Admiral Donutz]

Originally Posted by Bohemund

There is no hard evidence that second hand smoke has any harmful effect on you at all... especially outdoors. Yes, i can understand the reasoning behind banning smoking in planes, bars, etc. But banning cigarrettes period is something one would expect in a police state, not a democratic country.

WTF?! Under which rock have you been hiding while you were educated about sex, alcohol, drugs and the like in highschool, or during one of the many campaigns (TV, radio, internet, posters, warning messages on cigarrete packages and so on)?!

Regarding smoking: If you ask me it smells bad, it damages you'r health, it costs a lot of money. Or simply said, something you don't want to get into. To calm you there are other ways (and how does the effect of a "relaxing cigarette" outweight when you are feeling all messed up because you "really need to have a cig badly and going nearly mental over it"?).

Should smoking be discouraged? Certainly, proper education helps a lot (public awarness, teaching teens about the pro's and con's of various drugs including smoking, cannabis and such so they cna make up their own mind before or after obtaining the legal mimimum age to smoke etc.). Tax the hell out of it, make them pay extra for their insurance so that the rest of us don't have to pay the bill for somebody who's laying down a highway in their lungs.

And ofcourse: Ban smoking from all public areas and the work space. SO that a person that goes from A to B and C during the day doesn't have to be exposed to it. This means not sitting in smoke while you're at the office, shopping, enjoying a meal/drink and so on. If people want to smoke at home, inside their own house or outside but in such a manner that the neighbours aren't exposed to it, fine. Well sorta, if you have kids (perhaps animals) you shouldn't be screwing them over with your smoking habbits....

As for flavoured cigs. I don't see the use in it to begin with, it all smells just as badly if you ask me. On one hand I'd figure people should be free to choose the cig they find to be the best "taste", on the other hand, how much influence do flavours have on promoting smoking? If it would eb proven that it encourages smoking I'd ban it. If it seems to make no or close to no difference... then allow it aslong as smoking it legal. Which, as I said pretty much should be restricted to when you're in some place private and "alone": you're house, car, shed, whatever.

Regarding smoking in public: When there are people around it will annoy them, it sure irritates me (also litteraly) when someone walks near me and smokes and it gets into my face (and don't give me the "you don't notice it when you're a meter away" crap, that's BS unless there is a strong fan/wind or something). With a margen of error to be taken into account you shouldn't be allowed to smoke near people within, let's say, a 50 meter radius. That way it sure won't bother anyone. But it would be hard to check so you could just aswell ban it altogether (smoking outside) and also get rid of the litter it causes (can't those bloody smokers dispose of their litter properly and safely?! No, just drop it on the ground... ).

PS: As for inhaling poluted air form other sources like cars and such, that's why they have regulations on how poluted air is allowed to be. If measurements show this is exceeded measures are taken (permanent and temporary once). Which is the ebst we can do, while working at cleaner cars, less polution from industries via filters and new technologies and so on. We basically need to reduce/fight any form of polution in a realistic manner for the sake of our own health and the climate (planet) at large.