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Arrogance I was initially going to ask the question of why we (as a species) are so arrogant toward life, then the answer hit me; it's cause we can be. We've been such for as long back as history cares to recall, and we'll continue to be up until the point of our distinction. There have been posts made in the past, about how humanity is going to end. Be that a viral outbreak, natural disaster (on a global scale), an alien invasion, or some form of artificial intelligence rising up against us. Suffice to say, whichever reason it may be, we'll all end up dead because of our arrogance toward the situation. For a species so smart, we don't seem to think of after-effects. We build roads and housing estates, regardless of what lay there before, we'll tare down forests and woodland regardless of what effect that may have on wildlife, we litter our planet with waste, with little regard of the conditions or circumstances, we pollute our atmosphere, and we dump dangerous chemicals in our oceans. I'd personally say we're getting worse too. Sure, even in ancient times, we've built roads and buildings, but that hasn't been so excessive. With technology, we're able to bulldoze through a forest, or get from one country to another with the use of an airplane or ship. Such items that weren't available back through history. As we've developed (technologically) we've become worse. Romans or Egyptians (to my knowledge) didn't use plastic bags, or enjoy Mars Bars or Coca Cola, thus there'd have been no litter to simply throw down on the grown. It also begs the question, as to what we'll be like when we get off this one planet, and go exploring. Everywhere man has gone to explore thus far, they've invaded. I should note too, we've already littered in space.. We've sent probes out, and the parts from our rockets are also up there somewhere, floating around. Keeping an open mind about extra-terrestrial life, chances are, if we do get up there and find some, and they've something we want (probably resources, though I doubt oil), we'll probably end up invading them to get what we want. Sure, negotiation may work for a while, but there will no doubt be a point at which we wont be being provided with enough of what we want, so we'll only end up taking more. What Humanity wants, humanity must get. I know some people have said before that (in regards to nature), these animals were put there for our needs (if you're a religious individual, you may have more of a say in that than another). Even so, I don't think we have any right to screw up nature, and our wildlife. Just cause we're smarter, doesn't mean we should. Then we've got the pollution in the air. Some blame global warming on that, others say it is just part of nature, and that it goes through phases. Which do I believe? I don't know, but I'd be surprised if we weren't at the very least helping global warming. There have been many stories that I've read over the past number of years, about large businesses and such, having vehicles that can run on other such fuel than oil, but the big oil companies are paying them off, so that people still use vehicles which need petrol. Cause lets be fair, if people started producing vehicles which didn't pollute, you can guarantee that a fair number of people would decide to take to these new vehicles, thus the oil industries would crumble due to lack of available funds. If these companies pay off, then they get to keep everyone buying oil. Whether these rumors are true or not, remains to be seen, however, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they were. To be fair, nature has provided us with some beautiful scenery, wildlife, and sights. All we seem to do is to throw it all back. Too few people these days seem to care about the beauty that we are freely given, and instead, do everything they're able to make their life easy. Its all about money, which relates to greed, which relates to arrogance. We are an arrogant species, and one day, that arrogance is going to turn around on us and shut us up once and for all. / end rant. |
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Re: Arrogance If I run across you and I want something and you want it too but I'm the only one who thinks I should have it you don't get to go on to reproduce. Of course we're arrogant, being self sacrificing has never been a good long term survival strategy when you meet the selfish bastard. |
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"We did our best to build big space ships that could have carried us to planets on which we could have lived on, even when we started that war that lasted for 400 years and killed 70% of the population." And of course it's all about the selfish bastards... after all, most have still got the will to survive that supersedes everything (as the survival of the community as a whole). This is why Communism will never work. Sorry for those who believe it will. And one of the teachers of my old school coined the term: "Superiority always only looks like arrogance from below." You may interpret at will. ;) |
Re: Arrogance I suppose alot of the reason we care so little for our own planet, is that we hope to hurry up and find a new and more suitable planet. Or maybe some people doesn't believe they'll live long enough to see the after-effects, so they don't really care about them. On the subject of what we'd do to extra-terrestials and their resources, chances are they'd try the same tactic with us. There'd be little reason for them to be any different in terms of littering and enviromental care. Although, I do agree it's a damn shame so much of the wild has been destroyed. |
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We just dont think about shit half the time, and the other half, we just dont know about shit. Nobody knew how bad fossil fuels would turn out to be for the environment. |
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I definitely agree. Do humans do some things wrong, maybe self destructive or hurtful to the environment? Of course, we aren't perfect. But you know what, we're pretty fucking awesome. We've obliterated some of the worst diseases to have every afflicted humanity, and contained or made treatable many more. We've conquered gravity itself with powered flight, despite having no wings of our own. We've built buildings that in their own way match some of the greatest natural monuments. We've made it possible to travel around the world in less than a day, and we almost routinely travel to space, and have landed on other heavenly bodies. We are the only species we know of that his so wide ranging, so pervasive, so powerful, so constructive (and true, destructive) and so god damned effective at almost everything we do. It's getting to the point where we can do just about everything nature can do, and strictly speaking, do it better. Yet... yet, you take a man, strip him of his technology, and place him at the edge of the Grand Canyon, on ridge in the Appalachians, in the middle of a lush field of flowers, at the edge of one of the great oceans, or even just in the middle of some nondescript copse of trees and he still marvels at the beauty of nature, the complexity around him. We could obliterate it all in the push of a button, but when in the midst of it we take in it's majesty. My no means are we an arrogant species. Detached from nature sometimes, surely, but when man and nature reconnect it is still man that is in awe. |
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For our current state of evolution, and to live as we're commonly doing, we need to cut down tree's, and we need to burn oil, and we need to build houses. However, as an example, why litter when you can simply put rubbish in a bin? The amount of people I've seen littering when there has been a perfectly good bin not ten feet away is ridiculous. The same could be said for the tree's that we cut down. There was this documentary on TV the other week, about some island that people were going too for the tree's. Instead of starting at the edge, the decided to start cutting down the tree's right in the middle, thus cutting off the wildlife there. If they had to cut down those specific tree's they could have at least started at the edge, then worked their way through. Quote:
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It is true, we've managed some spectaular things, but then, what are any of them going to matter in the long run if we only end up dooming ourselves? Quote:
You made a point about stripping a man of technology, and he'd be at peace with nature and what not. We've still got that. There are still tribes and small communities living around the globe that have no desire for technology, nor do they care to use it. They're quite happy living in huts and living their lives without the need for cars and computers. |
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So many people dont get a chance at life. So many people would give their balls to have the simple things that you take for granted. A house. Indoor plumbing. Running water. Electricity. 3 meals a day. A warm bed at night. A shower. And you have the testicular fortitude to sit here and cry about how all humans suck. When you get out and see other countries and other ways of life where they dont even know what the hell a toilet is, you will understand. Quote:
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My previous comment wasn't meant to insult (if it did), was just to make a direct point. Quote:
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What we SHOULD do with this situation, is firstly help out those in need. Following that, if various places are getting overcrowded, we should cut back on reproduction a little, don't you think? The only country I know to have done this is China (one child per family). They've got the right idea. If we're over populating, instead of continuing, we should look at the problem, and ask ourselves what we can do about it. |
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I think its a great idea, but you would never be able to even communicate such an idea, let alone enforce it. |
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[QUOTE=NiteStryker;5005690Well you should be.[/quote]Why? Quote:
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Re: Arrogance Yes! Let's nuke Africa because nuclear fallout doesn't exist, nor does the wind. If you were to nuke all over Africa, fallout would be carried everywheres. I really don't know what goes on in your mind. First your saying we have nothing to complain about, and then you want to nuke an entire continent? Not everywheres in Africa is a bad place, there are cities that people live in and half decent lives. Your solution to the problems of the third world is retarted. |
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Just because people are disconnected from nature does not mean they do not stand in awe at it. They just don't have the chance to anymore. The human race is not, in itself, arrogant. Actually, you are far more arrogant than most humans because by making this post you are subtly suggesting you are better than everyone for noticing these things. You may not be saying it outright but it is there. Hell the concept of arrogance is itself a human concept. Nature doesn't give a shit about how "arrogant" we are because arrogance is a human notion. Nature doesn't actually understand anything since nature isn't itself a thing, it's just a collection of systems that happened to combine in such a way as to create the Earth as we know it. Morever, we are as much a part of nature as any other form of life. The widely held belief that humans are somehow separate from nature is unscientific. We belong to a species, genus, phylum and so on (I always forget the order of the damn things.) We are made of the same shit as everything else, and we basically function in the same way as most other animals. He'll we're composed of a massive number of small cells that essentially function both on their own and as a network of cells to maintain our bodies. You might as well blame those cells as much as you do the human race, it's all the same shit. Nature made us the way we are, though not through any conscious effort. We just happened to come out the way we did through random mutations building on each other that happened to have some positive survival effect. |
Re: Arrogance "Much to learn, you still have." (Yoda) |
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Did you see the article about the South African telecommunications company? They sent a pigeon with a note to a location, and sent an email to the same location. The pigeon arrived first. However unimportant you think technology is, it has become our way of life. All these countries in Africa that dont even have a government, and is just full of civil war and chaos, dont have a purpose in our world. Quote:
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Not being a person involved in the tree cutting business it's also possible that they actually had a reason for starting in the centre. |
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Re: Arrogance Actually, I'd say having a terrible solution that still fixes the problem is better than still having the problem... |
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Re: Arrogance Africa and so on are only a problem if you care. Solution: stop caring. A sunbeam came down from on high and suddenly all was right with the world. |
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Our society is fucked up because of this ideology of not fighting for what you believe in. Tolerate everyone, violence never solved anything; the old self-interested clichés. Some things shouldn't be tolerated; some things are worth killing and dying over. You can be sure if you’re not prepared to do the killing to reach an end you desire someone else, probably someone not as nice as you, will do it to reach the end they desire; either with economics in the case of more developed nations or with physical weapons in the case of internal rivalries; hence the state of Africa today. |
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When someone gets greedy none should suffer for it. Defending and fighting for whats yours,family etc yes but none should be above another. And people could switch their lights off and not stay in the shower fo 30min and use 'green'product. hmm maybe climat changes and the A.I:s taking over the world is not just because we are arrogant basterds but Greedy basterds. |
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If you seriously think that helping people is the right thing to do you should be out there doing it, if you seriously think that law and order are good you should be out there in some way helping them. And yes, if you seriously think Africa needs nuking you should be out there trying to do it; you shouldn't expect people to let you but you should try. The alternative is this sort of bullshit apathy we get where people sit around following the lead of the rich and powerful who by virtue of being insulated from the commoners by wealthy social circles and hired security have few relationships with the people they govern restraining them. Quote:
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MOAB: Nice fireball, controlled damage, cleaner weapon. Quote:
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And you all think Im just talking out my ass or for attention, I would love to even be the bombardier to drop a MOAB on Kenya. Quote:
Your dog pees on the carpet. What do you do? Sit down and have a heart to heart talk? No, most people bring the dog over, make him smell it, and swat him on the ass. Violence is the only language that is trans-species. You cant tell a dog a damn thing, but if you strike it, it knows whats up. And it has nothing to do with tolerance. The problem is too many people. The solution? Well, we could follow your 20 year plan, and continue to drain resources until then, or we could wipe them out and see immediate results. 1 nuke wouldnt contaminate a "continent". Africa is very large, and a nuke is quite tiny. Quote:
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2,200,100, says WIKI For the entire continent, 2 million dollars. Seriously. They are not contributing to the world and I dont have the time or desire to bring them up to speed. So, they can tell us how our MOAB's work. |
Re: Arrogance In all seriousness though the entire Earth is biologically and culturally connected. If Africa were leveled you would lose a ridiculous amount of wildlife, plant types, and thousands of years of culture. It's the fucknig cradle of life for Chirst's sake! Drums, guitars, and music in general. Lions, elephants, hippos, and thousands of other species would be wiped out, some of the most beautiful landscape in the world, destroyed. The last vestiges of hunter-gatherers and horticulturalists destroyed. Actually most of Africa isn't war torn and violent. Toss a dart and it'll probably hit somewhere peaceful. It's mostly the semi-civilized nations that have been entirely forged in warfare. And, to be fair, that is basically Europe and America's fault. |
Re: Arrogance Well Nitestryker, at least the name of this thread fits you perfectly. You must have been thrown down the stairs at birth or something to be that arrogant. You might as well nuke your own country as well since it's about as useful as Africa. |
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Canada — GDP: $1.271 trillion United States — GDP: 13.84 Trillion Australia — GDP: $773 billion Iran — GDP: $294.1 Billion Iraq — GDP: 102.4 Billion Germany — GDP: $2.807 trillion France — GDP: 2.56 Trillion Russia — GDP: $1.29 Trillion Syria — GDP: 90.37 Billion Kenya — GDP: 29.3 Billion Algeria — GDP: $131.6 Billion Libya — GDP: $57.06 Billion South Africa — GDP: 282.6 Billion Madagascar — GDP: $18.44 billion All about 2007 numbers, so they are all probably lower right now. The GDP of the STATE OF CALIFORNIA: The state's GDP is at about $1.7 trillion My state puts out more than entire countries. My state puts out more than YOUR country. Recognize your inferiority. |
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Re: Arrogance Are you really that dumb? California has a higher population than Canada, I would hope the GDP is greater. I can't recognize my inferiority, because, well only an idiot would say someone, in this case an entire country, is inferior. Oh, and you do fit the definition of arrogance very nicely, Arrogance: offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride. You are arrogant as fuck. I've never seen someone act more superior than you, and look like such a hypocrite while doing so. |
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Re: Arrogance Nah, not really. Arrogance is making you think that, no matter what, your mind will tell you to say your a superior being then everyone else. Your probably just some 27 year old fat pasty American who lives in his moms basement. I can't even exit the site without my friend telling me you just replied. You haven't given me a reason to why your country is so much better than mine, you keep bringing up the issue of money, well how exactly does a country of 30 million compete with 30 million people? By the way, printing money does not mean you have money. For example, Canada prints money, and we have it, you guys print money, you lose it because your lack of intelligence can't tell you how to keep it. |
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And my STATE (not country) has more money. Higher standard of living. Better weather, better locations, we pratically invented the computer, and 1/3rd of the US Navy is in our state. Enough to decimate your country. Quote:
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If your a Marine, which for some reason I doubt. Wouldn't you have something better to do then idk, argue with a 16 year old about nothing really important? Like I said, you must have been thrown down the stairs at birth, because your really quite pathetic for someone your age. If you even are that age, you seem to BS to be true. |
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Someone educate this kid for me please. You want a picture of my AAV? Quote:
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Re: Arrogance Wanna see a picture of me making out with Megan Fox? Ya, I took a course on photoshop as well ;) Did you give me this? http://forums.filefront.com/images/r...tation_neg.gifArrogance September 14th, 2009 06:00 PMYou define "Epic Failure". Your Country is way beneth the United States. Always has been, Always will be. Last time I checked, Canada was north of United States. No but seriously, you keep saying America is so much better, yet you can't give any reason to why it's so much better. Please don't say anything about the military, it's used so much. "We stopped WW2!" No, you didn't stop WW2, you just helped fight in it. |
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My state contributes to the world more than your country in the gross domestic product. Our women are hotter and more artifically enhanced. We have In and Out. And we have taco shops. |
Re: Arrogance So watching two incredibly stubborn people dick wave at each other is getting rather old. Though, the lol's of it hasn't quite worn thin it's getting there. |
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