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Flash525 September 12th, 2009 09:28 AM

Arrogance
 
I was initially going to ask the question of why we (as a species) are so arrogant toward life, then the answer hit me; it's cause we can be. We've been such for as long back as history cares to recall, and we'll continue to be up until the point of our distinction.

There have been posts made in the past, about how humanity is going to end. Be that a viral outbreak, natural disaster (on a global scale), an alien invasion, or some form of artificial intelligence rising up against us. Suffice to say, whichever reason it may be, we'll all end up dead because of our arrogance toward the situation.


For a species so smart, we don't seem to think of after-effects. We build roads and housing estates, regardless of what lay there before, we'll tare down forests and woodland regardless of what effect that may have on wildlife, we litter our planet with waste, with little regard of the conditions or circumstances, we pollute our atmosphere, and we dump dangerous chemicals in our oceans.

I'd personally say we're getting worse too. Sure, even in ancient times, we've built roads and buildings, but that hasn't been so excessive. With technology, we're able to bulldoze through a forest, or get from one country to another with the use of an airplane or ship. Such items that weren't available back through history. As we've developed (technologically) we've become worse.

Romans or Egyptians (to my knowledge) didn't use plastic bags, or enjoy Mars Bars or Coca Cola, thus there'd have been no litter to simply throw down on the grown. It also begs the question, as to what we'll be like when we get off this one planet, and go exploring. Everywhere man has gone to explore thus far, they've invaded.

I should note too, we've already littered in space.. We've sent probes out, and the parts from our rockets are also up there somewhere, floating around.

Keeping an open mind about extra-terrestrial life, chances are, if we do get up there and find some, and they've something we want (probably resources, though I doubt oil), we'll probably end up invading them to get what we want. Sure, negotiation may work for a while, but there will no doubt be a point at which we wont be being provided with enough of what we want, so we'll only end up taking more.


What Humanity wants, humanity must get. I know some people have said before that (in regards to nature), these animals were put there for our needs (if you're a religious individual, you may have more of a say in that than another). Even so, I don't think we have any right to screw up nature, and our wildlife. Just cause we're smarter, doesn't mean we should.


Then we've got the pollution in the air. Some blame global warming on that, others say it is just part of nature, and that it goes through phases. Which do I believe? I don't know, but I'd be surprised if we weren't at the very least helping global warming. There have been many stories that I've read over the past number of years, about large businesses and such, having vehicles that can run on other such fuel than oil, but the big oil companies are paying them off, so that people still use vehicles which need petrol.

Cause lets be fair, if people started producing vehicles which didn't pollute, you can guarantee that a fair number of people would decide to take to these new vehicles, thus the oil industries would crumble due to lack of available funds. If these companies pay off, then they get to keep everyone buying oil. Whether these rumors are true or not, remains to be seen, however, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they were.


To be fair, nature has provided us with some beautiful scenery, wildlife, and sights. All we seem to do is to throw it all back. Too few people these days seem to care about the beauty that we are freely given, and instead, do everything they're able to make their life easy. Its all about money, which relates to greed, which relates to arrogance.

We are an arrogant species, and one day, that arrogance is going to turn around on us and shut us up once and for all.

/ end rant.

NiteStryker September 12th, 2009 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5004681)
We are an arrogant species, and one day, that arrogance is going to turn around on us and shut us up once and for all.

You're right. You should probably kill yourself. Its the only way out.

Nemmerle September 12th, 2009 11:11 AM

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If I run across you and I want something and you want it too but I'm the only one who thinks I should have it you don't get to go on to reproduce. Of course we're arrogant, being self sacrificing has never been a good long term survival strategy when you meet the selfish bastard.

Zipacna September 12th, 2009 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5004681)
There have been posts made in the past, about how humanity is going to end. Be that a viral outbreak, natural disaster (on a global scale), an alien invasion, or some form of artificial intelligence rising up against us. Suffice to say, whichever reason it may be, we'll all end up dead because of our arrogance toward the situation.

I prefer burning up in the sun when it becomes a red giant... that way, humanity can still preserve its pride (should our kind still exist in that time) and say:
"We did our best to build big space ships that could have carried us to planets on which we could have lived on, even when we started that war that lasted for 400 years and killed 70% of the population."
And of course it's all about the selfish bastards... after all, most have still got the will to survive that supersedes everything (as the survival of the community as a whole). This is why Communism will never work. Sorry for those who believe it will.
And one of the teachers of my old school coined the term:
"Superiority always only looks like arrogance from below."
You may interpret at will. ;)

Serio September 12th, 2009 12:56 PM

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I suppose alot of the reason we care so little for our own planet, is that we hope to hurry up and find a new and more suitable planet. Or maybe some people doesn't believe they'll live long enough to see the after-effects, so they don't really care about them. On the subject of what we'd do to extra-terrestials and their resources, chances are they'd try the same tactic with us.
There'd be little reason for them to be any different in terms of littering and enviromental care. Although, I do agree it's a damn shame so much of the wild has been destroyed.

NiteStryker September 12th, 2009 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Serio (Post 5004842)
I suppose alot of the reason we care so little for our own planet, is that we hope to hurry up and find a new and more suitable planet.

No, if this were true we'd be on Mars already, or at least have a better space station.

We just dont think about shit half the time, and the other half, we just dont know about shit. Nobody knew how bad fossil fuels would turn out to be for the environment.

AlDaja September 12th, 2009 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5004728)
You're right. You should probably kill yourself. Its the only way out.

Something like that.:beer:

NiteStryker September 12th, 2009 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AlDaja (Post 5005155)
Something like that.:beer:

Im just getting sick of all these "omg humanity sucks balls" threads. So, stop living and let me have your oxygen, food and water. You are obviously wasting it.

AlDaja September 12th, 2009 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5005172)
Im just getting sick of all these "omg humanity sucks balls" threads. So, stop living and let me have your oxygen, food and water. You are obviously wasting it.

Oh, I agree.

Adrian Ţepeş September 12th, 2009 10:14 PM

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to NiteStryker again.
NOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ahh well, I do agree with you.

Afterburner September 12th, 2009 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5005172)
Im just getting sick of all these "omg humanity sucks balls" threads. So, stop living and let me have your oxygen, food and water. You are obviously wasting it.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to NiteStryker again." :(

I definitely agree. Do humans do some things wrong, maybe self destructive or hurtful to the environment? Of course, we aren't perfect. But you know what, we're pretty fucking awesome. We've obliterated some of the worst diseases to have every afflicted humanity, and contained or made treatable many more. We've conquered gravity itself with powered flight, despite having no wings of our own. We've built buildings that in their own way match some of the greatest natural monuments. We've made it possible to travel around the world in less than a day, and we almost routinely travel to space, and have landed on other heavenly bodies.

We are the only species we know of that his so wide ranging, so pervasive, so powerful, so constructive (and true, destructive) and so god damned effective at almost everything we do. It's getting to the point where we can do just about everything nature can do, and strictly speaking, do it better.

Yet... yet, you take a man, strip him of his technology, and place him at the edge of the Grand Canyon, on ridge in the Appalachians, in the middle of a lush field of flowers, at the edge of one of the great oceans, or even just in the middle of some nondescript copse of trees and he still marvels at the beauty of nature, the complexity around him. We could obliterate it all in the push of a button, but when in the midst of it we take in it's majesty.

My no means are we an arrogant species. Detached from nature sometimes, surely, but when man and nature reconnect it is still man that is in awe.

Flash525 September 13th, 2009 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5004728)
You're right. You should probably kill yourself. Its the only way out.

I never said I was depressed or suicidal.

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Originally Posted by Nemmerle (Post 5004772)
Of course we're arrogant, being self sacrificing has never been a good long term survival strategy when you meet the selfish bastard.

There is a difference though, between what I am trying to say, and how you're interpreting my post.

For our current state of evolution, and to live as we're commonly doing, we need to cut down tree's, and we need to burn oil, and we need to build houses. However, as an example, why litter when you can simply put rubbish in a bin? The amount of people I've seen littering when there has been a perfectly good bin not ten feet away is ridiculous.

The same could be said for the tree's that we cut down. There was this documentary on TV the other week, about some island that people were going too for the tree's. Instead of starting at the edge, the decided to start cutting down the tree's right in the middle, thus cutting off the wildlife there. If they had to cut down those specific tree's they could have at least started at the edge, then worked their way through.

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Originally Posted by DarthZipacna (Post 5004787)
And one of the teachers of my old school coined the term: "Superiority always only looks like arrogance from below." You may interpret at will.

Superior people do tend to be more arrogant though, they've less to worry about.

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Originally Posted by Serio (Post 5004842)
I suppose alot of the reason we care so little for our own planet, is that we hope to hurry up and find a new and more suitable planet. Or maybe some people doesn't believe they'll live long enough to see the after-effects, so they don't really care about them.

Such people would have offspring though, and should be looking at what the future may hold for them too.

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Originally Posted by Serio (Post 5004842)
On the subject of what we'd do to extra-terrestials and their resources, chances are they'd try the same tactic with us.

That is pure speculation. There is equal the chance that they'd be nothing like us.

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5005144)
No, if this were true we'd be on Mars already, or at least have a better space station.

Why? Could it simply not be the case that we've not progressed (technologically) enough for that yet?

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5005144)
We just dont think about shit half the time, and the other half, we just dont know about shit. Nobody knew how bad fossil fuels would turn out to be for the environment.

My point with them, is that now people know how bad they are, they ignore the problem and continue with them.

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5005172)
Im just getting sick of all these "omg humanity sucks balls" threads.

Nobody asked for your feedback. If you're getting sick of these threads, ignore them. If I see a bunch of threads on the forums that have no appeal to me, I don't go in there and tell everyone that I couldn't give a shit, I simply stay away.

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Originally Posted by Afterburner (Post 5005405)
I definitely agree. Do humans do some things wrong, maybe self destructive or hurtful to the environment? Of course, we aren't perfect. But you know what, we're pretty fucking awesome. We've obliterated some of the worst diseases to have every afflicted humanity, and contained or made treatable many more. We've conquered gravity itself with powered flight, despite having no wings of our own. We've built buildings that in their own way match some of the greatest natural monuments. We've made it possible to travel around the world in less than a day, and we almost routinely travel to space, and have landed on other heavenly bodies.

I never challenged our accomplishments, only the way in which we accomplish perhaps.

It is true, we've managed some spectaular things, but then, what are any of them going to matter in the long run if we only end up dooming ourselves?

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Originally Posted by Afterburner (Post 5005405)
My no means are we an arrogant species. Detached from nature sometimes, surely, but when man and nature reconnect it is still man that is in awe.

The majority of humanity (to this date) are arrogant.

You made a point about stripping a man of technology, and he'd be at peace with nature and what not. We've still got that. There are still tribes and small communities living around the globe that have no desire for technology, nor do they care to use it. They're quite happy living in huts and living their lives without the need for cars and computers.

NiteStryker September 13th, 2009 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5005567)
I never said I was depressed or suicidal.

No but you go on about humanity is so damn arrogant. So you are acting like a depressed person. Instead of shit talking your species, think of the good things we have done.

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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5005567)
Nobody asked for your feedback.
If you're getting sick of these threads, ignore them.

If you are getting sick of my feedback, ignore it...? Your gonna post a little rant about how humanity sucks, well, Im gonna post a reply advocating your suicide.

So many people dont get a chance at life. So many people would give their balls to have the simple things that you take for granted. A house. Indoor plumbing. Running water. Electricity. 3 meals a day. A warm bed at night. A shower.

And you have the testicular fortitude to sit here and cry about how all humans suck.

When you get out and see other countries and other ways of life where they dont even know what the hell a toilet is, you will understand.

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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5005567)
It is true, we've managed some spectaular things, but then, what are any of them going to matter in the long run if we only end up dooming ourselves?

We are the dominating species on the planet. We pretty much control everything. But to sustain so many people requires alot of resources. So, unless you agree with me that we need to start nuking irrevelent places (Africa, for example), then you offer no solution.

Flash525 September 13th, 2009 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5005609)
No but you go on about humanity is so damn arrogant. So you are acting like a depressed person. Instead of shit talking your species, think of the good things we have done.

I admit we've done some great things, as I said in my last post, but we've done some damn bad ones too. Sure we've acomplished a lot, but we sure as hell shouldn't be proud about everything we've done to get here.

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5005609)
If you are getting sick of my feedback, ignore it...? Your gonna post a little rant about how humanity sucks, well, Im gonna post a reply advocating your suicide.

I posted this thread for feedback. I'm not going to go and ignore it. My point was why someone who hates such a topic feels the need to come and let everyone know, especially when they're getting sick of it.

My previous comment wasn't meant to insult (if it did), was just to make a direct point.

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5005609)
So many people dont get a chance at life. So many people would give their balls to have the simple things that you take for granted. A house. Indoor plumbing. Running water. Electricity. 3 meals a day. A warm bed at night. A shower.

And you have the testicular fortitude to sit here and cry about how all humans suck.

When you get out and see other countries and other ways of life where they dont even know what the hell a toilet is, you will understand.

I know that the majority of us have it cushy, but I'm not on about that. I'm on about our general attitude toward life, the planet, and our fellow species.

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5005609)
We are the dominating species on the planet. We pretty much control everything. But to sustain so many people requires alot of resources. So, unless you agree with me that we need to start nuking irrevelent places (Africa, for example), then you offer no solution.

That is some of the arrogance I speak of. Africa is fucked, so lets nuke them? Yeah... Cause that would be morally correct wouldn't it?

What we SHOULD do with this situation, is firstly help out those in need. Following that, if various places are getting overcrowded, we should cut back on reproduction a little, don't you think? The only country I know to have done this is China (one child per family). They've got the right idea. If we're over populating, instead of continuing, we should look at the problem, and ask ourselves what we can do about it.

NiteStryker September 13th, 2009 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5005663)
I admit we've done some great things, as I said in my last post, but we've done some damn bad ones too. Sure we've acomplished a lot, but we sure as hell shouldn't be proud about everything we've done to get here.

I wouldnt be ashamed of it. Why should we feel ashamed? We are only human, figuring out life as we go. There is no rulebook, there is no references. We make mistakes, and for the most part, fix them and move on.

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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5005663)
I posted this thread for feedback. I'm not going to go and ignore it. My point was why someone who hates such a topic feels the need to come and let everyone know, especially when they're getting sick of it.

Me and at least 2 other people are getting sick of it. And I take these threads quite personal because I have seen firsthand how shitty people in other countries have it. We, as first world citizens, have absolutely nothing to bitch about. We almost have no right to say how bad anything sucks.

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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5005663)
My previous comment wasn't meant to insult (if it did), was just to make a direct point.

As was mine.

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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5005663)
I know that the majority of us have it cushy, but I'm not on about that.

Well you should be.

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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5005663)
I'm on about our general attitude toward life,

Well then you just shat on your point right above this one.

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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5005663)
the planet, and our fellow species.

We arnt perfect. We are only human, but we really dont go out of our way to cintinue doing something really really bad once we learned its bad.

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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5005663)
That is some of the arrogance I speak of. Africa is fucked, so lets nuke them? Yeah... Cause that would be morally correct wouldn't it?

You want to ease the burden on the planet? I offer you a solution. Sometimes doing the right thing, isnt doing the right thing.

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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5005663)
What we SHOULD do with this situation, is firstly help out those in need.

Thus creating a further strain on the planet as we look for MORE resources, right?
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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5005663)
Following that, if various places are getting overcrowded, we should cut back on reproduction a little, don't you think?

Hence the "nuke" part. Or other equivalent destructive methods.

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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5005663)
The only country I know to have done this is China (one child per family). They've got the right idea. If we're over populating, instead of continuing, we should look at the problem, and ask ourselves what we can do about it.

You are going to walk over to Africa and tell people who speak in clicks to only have one child? Let me know when you do this, I want to come with you and laugh my ass off.

I think its a great idea, but you would never be able to even communicate such an idea, let alone enforce it.

Flash525 September 13th, 2009 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5005690)
I wouldnt be ashamed of it. Why should we feel ashamed? We are only human, figuring out life as we go. There is no rulebook, there is no references. We make mistakes, and for the most part, fix them and move on.

We can only fix so much. We can learn from our mistakes sure, but thats about it. We can't bring back the dead, we can't re-introduce an extinct species (made such by our own doing), we can't extract leaked oil from our oceans...

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5005690)
Me and at least 2 other people are getting sick of it. And I take these threads quite personal because I have seen firsthand how shitty people in other countries have it. We, as first world citizens, have absolutely nothing to bitch about. We almost have no right to say how bad anything sucks.

If you've seen how shitty some people have it, I would have thought you'd feel a bit more sympathy toward them, instead of wanting to nuke them..?

[QUOTE=NiteStryker;5005690Well you should be.[/quote]Why?
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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5005690)
Well then you just shat on your point right above this one.

Again, why? I'm not on about the majority / minority of us, I'm on about humanity as a whole. Those of us with technology and power (however little that may be) are generally arrogant.

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5005690)
You want to ease the burden on the planet? I offer you a solution. Sometimes doing the right thing, isnt doing the right thing.

There are always alternatives to killing people. Why should we kill those in need, anymore than we should take your life, or mine? What makes us more important? Money?

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5005690)
Thus creating a further strain on the planet as we look for MORE resources, right?

Well.. no actually. If you think about it, some people have it REAL cushy. If everyone who worked had to give say 1% of their wages to 'the world' that would mount up, and I'd have thought it be enough to help out those in need.

Schofield September 13th, 2009 12:13 PM

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Yes! Let's nuke Africa because nuclear fallout doesn't exist, nor does the wind. If you were to nuke all over Africa, fallout would be carried everywheres. I really don't know what goes on in your mind. First your saying we have nothing to complain about, and then you want to nuke an entire continent? Not everywheres in Africa is a bad place, there are cities that people live in and half decent lives. Your solution to the problems of the third world is retarted.

Afterburner September 13th, 2009 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5005567)
It is true, we've managed some spectaular things, but then, what are any of them going to matter in the long run if we only end up dooming ourselves?

The majority of humanity (to this date) are arrogant.

You made a point about stripping a man of technology, and he'd be at peace with nature and what not. We've still got that. There are still tribes and small communities living around the globe that have no desire for technology, nor do they care to use it. They're quite happy living in huts and living their lives without the need for cars and computers.

I believe you are missing my point. You can take almost anyone, remove them from technology, and put them back into nature and they are STILL awed, despite all that we have accomplished. That's not arrogance, that's humility.

Just because people are disconnected from nature does not mean they do not stand in awe at it. They just don't have the chance to anymore. The human race is not, in itself, arrogant. Actually, you are far more arrogant than most humans because by making this post you are subtly suggesting you are better than everyone for noticing these things. You may not be saying it outright but it is there.

Hell the concept of arrogance is itself a human concept. Nature doesn't give a shit about how "arrogant" we are because arrogance is a human notion. Nature doesn't actually understand anything since nature isn't itself a thing, it's just a collection of systems that happened to combine in such a way as to create the Earth as we know it.

Morever, we are as much a part of nature as any other form of life. The widely held belief that humans are somehow separate from nature is unscientific. We belong to a species, genus, phylum and so on (I always forget the order of the damn things.) We are made of the same shit as everything else, and we basically function in the same way as most other animals. He'll we're composed of a massive number of small cells that essentially function both on their own and as a network of cells to maintain our bodies. You might as well blame those cells as much as you do the human race, it's all the same shit.

Nature made us the way we are, though not through any conscious effort. We just happened to come out the way we did through random mutations building on each other that happened to have some positive survival effect.

Mephistopheles September 13th, 2009 01:44 PM

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"Much to learn, you still have."
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NiteStryker September 13th, 2009 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5005807)
We can't bring back the dead, we can't re-introduce an extinct species (made such by our own doing), we can't extract leaked oil from our oceans...

No but would you want to? People and things die naturally, species go extinct naturally, and the species that adapt and survive are obviously the stronger.

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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5005807)
If you've seen how shitty some people have it, I would have thought you'd feel a bit more sympathy toward them, instead of wanting to nuke them..?

No, im just saying dont cry that humanity sucks so much when you are in the top 25 percent. You have no basis for your claims.

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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5005807)
There are always alternatives to killing people. Why should we kill those in need, anymore than we should take your life, or mine? What makes us more important? Money?

Maybe the fact that we have advanced and adapted and grown, and they have not?

Did you see the article about the South African telecommunications company? They sent a pigeon with a note to a location, and sent an email to the same location. The pigeon arrived first. However unimportant you think technology is, it has become our way of life. All these countries in Africa that dont even have a government, and is just full of civil war and chaos, dont have a purpose in our world.

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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5005807)
Well.. no actually. If you think about it, some people have it REAL cushy. If everyone who worked had to give say 1% of their wages to 'the world' that would mount up, and I'd have thought it be enough to help out those in need.

I think too much is expected of the rich. I already give up 20 % of my paycheck to my government, I still have my own personal expenses. Why should I help someone else out?

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Originally Posted by Schofield (Post 5005812)
Yes! Let's nuke Africa because nuclear fallout doesn't exist, nor does the wind. If you were to nuke all over Africa, fallout would be carried everywheres.

Ok for pete's sake, how about MOAB's? Better? Damn, you get the point.

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Originally Posted by Schofield (Post 5005812)
I really don't know what goes on in your mind. First your saying we have nothing to complain about, and then you want to nuke an entire continent?

You ask for a solution. I give you one. Then you bitch about it.

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Originally Posted by Schofield (Post 5005812)
Not everywheres in Africa is a bad place, there are cities that people live in and half decent lives. Your solution to the problems of the third world is retarted.

And what are yours?

Nemmerle September 13th, 2009 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5005567)
There is a difference though, between what I am trying to say, and how you're interpreting my post.

For our current state of evolution, and to live as we're commonly doing, we need to cut down tree's, and we need to burn oil, and we need to build houses. However, as an example, why litter when you can simply put rubbish in a bin? The amount of people I've seen littering when there has been a perfectly good bin not ten feet away is ridiculous.

If we did that what would street cleaners do for a living?

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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5005567)
The same could be said for the tree's that we cut down. There was this documentary on TV the other week, about some island that people were going too for the tree's. Instead of starting at the edge, the decided to start cutting down the tree's right in the middle, thus cutting off the wildlife there. If they had to cut down those specific tree's they could have at least started at the edge, then worked their way through.

I find it hard to believe that cutting down the trees in the middle cut off some stream of wildlife that wouldn't have been cut off cutting down a similar number of trees at the edge. And as I find it hard to believe, even if it's true, it seems likely that the people doing so would also.

Not being a person involved in the tree cutting business it's also possible that they actually had a reason for starting in the centre.

Primarch Vulkan September 13th, 2009 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Nemmerle (Post 5005946)
If we did that what would street cleaners do for a living?

Clean the streets old skool style a mop and a bucket

Schofield September 13th, 2009 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5005924)
Ok for pete's sake, how about MOAB's? Better? Damn, you get the point.

Not at all...

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5005924)
You ask for a solution. I give you one. Then you bitch about it.

That's a solution to you. That's mass genocide to the rest of the world.

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5005924)
And what are yours?

I don't have one, but not having one is better than MOABING/Nuking/etc a large population of the world.

ShadowSteelDragon September 13th, 2009 08:08 PM

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Actually, I'd say having a terrible solution that still fixes the problem is better than still having the problem...

Schofield September 13th, 2009 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowSteelDragon (Post 5006165)
Actually, I'd say having a terrible solution that still fixes the problem is better than still having the problem...

Not really, considering it would effect more than just Africa...

Nemmerle September 13th, 2009 11:42 PM

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Africa and so on are only a problem if you care. Solution: stop caring.

A sunbeam came down from on high and suddenly all was right with the world.

Afterburner September 14th, 2009 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Nemmerle (Post 5006240)
Africa and so on are only a problem if you care. Solution: stop caring.

A sunbeam came down from on high and suddenly all was right with the world.

It's true. The world is a much better place when I just pretend Africa doesn't exist. Though I can't do that for too long, I'm too nice to just ignore it, but not nice enough to do anything about it (yet.)

Jeff September 14th, 2009 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5005690)
You want to ease the burden on the planet? I offer you a solution. Sometimes doing the right thing, isnt doing the right thing.


Thus creating a further strain on the planet as we look for MORE resources, right?

Hence the "nuke" part. Or other equivalent destructive methods.

K. However the radioactive fallout of just one bomb will contaminate at least one continent depending on where it's detonated. Violence is never the answer. You only perpetuate intolerance doing so.

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You are going to walk over to Africa and tell people who speak in clicks to only have one child? Let me know when you do this, I want to come with you and laugh my ass off.

I think its a great idea, but you would never be able to even communicate such an idea, let alone enforce it.
A better idea, how about we do that right here in the US and try to convince those religious nutjobs that having 20 kids isn't a good thing simply because the vagina can pump them out. I wish they were more rare then they really are.

Nemmerle September 14th, 2009 09:34 AM

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K. However the radioactive fallout of just one bomb will contaminate at least one continent depending on where it's detonated.

So use a chemical weapon instead.

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Violence is never the answer.

It may not be the answer you like but it's certainly an answer. Those who disagree should conjure up the ghosts of the civilisations who did not and for whom the matter was resolved.

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You only perpetuate intolerance doing so.

If Nitestryker really was about to launch his genocide campaign are you telling me you'd tolerate him? That, even believing it's wrong, you wouldn't kill him if given the option?

Our society is fucked up because of this ideology of not fighting for what you believe in. Tolerate everyone, violence never solved anything; the old self-interested clichés. Some things shouldn't be tolerated; some things are worth killing and dying over.

You can be sure if you’re not prepared to do the killing to reach an end you desire someone else, probably someone not as nice as you, will do it to reach the end they desire; either with economics in the case of more developed nations or with physical weapons in the case of internal rivalries; hence the state of Africa today.

Veesaurus September 14th, 2009 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Nemmerle (Post 5006445)

Our society is fucked up because of this ideology of not fighting for what you believe in. Tolerate everyone, violence never solved anything; the old self-interested clichés. Some things shouldn't be tolerated; some things are worth killing and dying over. .

Well i suppose you are right that there are things worth fighting for but killing and dying is a bit harsh I would say. Killing for land and resources and dying for lets say religion really is not worth it, actualy thats just a sad waste of a life that could bring happines to an other persons.
When someone gets greedy none should suffer for it. Defending and fighting for whats yours,family etc yes but none should be above another.

And people could switch their lights off and not stay in the shower fo 30min and use 'green'product. hmm maybe climat changes and the A.I:s taking over the world is not just because we are arrogant basterds but Greedy basterds.

Jeff September 14th, 2009 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Nemmerle (Post 5006445)
It may not be the answer you like but it's certainly an answer. Those who disagree should conjure up the ghosts of the civilisations who did not and for whom the matter was resolved.

can be said both ways. If you think brute force always wins, you're sadly and horribly mistaken

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If Nitestryker really was about to launch his genocide campaign are you telling me you'd tolerate him? That, even believing it's wrong, you wouldn't kill him if given the option?
to save the lives of thousands, if not millions? It's a cute childish trick you're trying to pull because you'd no doubt say that violence solved this matter (I hate people who use circular arguments to try to explain themselves. It shows a lack of thought to me.). It's not that simple and you god damned well know it. Acting any other way shows a terrible amount of ignorance on your part.

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Our society is fucked up because of this ideology of not fighting for what you believe in. Tolerate everyone, violence never solved anything; the old self-interested clichés. Some things shouldn't be tolerated; some things are worth killing and dying over.
Yes, because those people couldn't possibly view you in the same regard as some arrogant ass who feels they deserve more than that person does. :rolleyes: One sided views are fun! Oh wait... they just allow everyone to see who the self-righteous greedy assholes are.

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You can be sure if you’re not prepared to do the killing to reach an end you desire someone else, probably someone not as nice as you, will do it to reach the end they desire; either with economics in the case of more developed nations or with physical weapons in the case of internal rivalries; hence the state of Africa today.
So that's somehow a justification for you doing it instead? You can't be serious.

Adrian Ţepeş September 14th, 2009 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5005924)
Maybe the fact that we have advanced and adapted and grown, and they have not?

So, because they're not as advanced or "important" as us, they are therefore useless and we should dispose of them like garbage?

Nemmerle September 14th, 2009 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by n0e (Post 5006527)
can be said both ways. If you think brute force always wins, you're sadly and horribly mistaken

Do I think bombing somewhere always tops another means of violence, for instance starving a nation economically or indoctrinating them with my views through a re-education system? No. Do I think someone who's prepared to use violence or to have others employ it on his behalf will always triumph over someone who is not? Yes. If there was no-one else in the world willing to use force it would be child's play to become the ruler of all nations in the span of a couple of nights.

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Originally Posted by n0e (Post 5006527)
to save the lives of thousands, if not millions? It's a cute childish trick you're trying to pull because you'd no doubt say that violence solved this matter (I hate people who use circular arguments to try to explain themselves. It shows a lack of thought to me.). It's not that simple and you god damned well know it. Acting any other way shows a terrible amount of ignorance on your part.

Violence is simply the eventual outcome of a very long course of social interactions; of course it's more complicated than that. For similar reasons you can't make the claim that violence never solved anything as an arguments against using violence as part of, or even the main component of, a solution. Sure, violence never solved anything by itself, but since that was hardly the subject under discussion I fail to see what relevance it has.

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Yes, because those people couldn't possibly view you in the same regard as some arrogant ass who feels they deserve more than that person does. :rolleyes: One sided views are fun! Oh wait... they just allow everyone to see who the self-righteous greedy assholes are.

Well yeah, they would, assuming I supported Nitestryker's position of, 'Gotta nuke 'em all.' I don't, (mainly because I just don't care enough and if I did would be more likely to support putting something in the water to sterilise swathes of their population,) but just as I feel I should stand up for the things I believe in - a reasonable amount of social order and so on - I believe that others should stand up for the things they believe in. Whether I agree with those things or not being beside the point.

If you seriously think that helping people is the right thing to do you should be out there doing it, if you seriously think that law and order are good you should be out there in some way helping them. And yes, if you seriously think Africa needs nuking you should be out there trying to do it; you shouldn't expect people to let you but you should try. The alternative is this sort of bullshit apathy we get where people sit around following the lead of the rich and powerful who by virtue of being insulated from the commoners by wealthy social circles and hired security have few relationships with the people they govern restraining them.

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Originally Posted by n0e (Post 5006527)
So that's somehow a justification for you doing it instead? You can't be serious.

Why not? My ends can be better for the people involved than his ends. If I have to kill a few hundred thousand people to enforce stability on a region, or come up with a cure to cancer, or protect my way of life; whereas some alternative guy would have killed them and failed to impose any of those things; that seems like a pretty good deal, especially since they were going to die anyway. If I have to kill fewer people than him to get to my ends it's even better. They were going to die anyway, this is about the people left over, someone might as well get something out of it.

NiteStryker September 14th, 2009 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Schofield (Post 5006112)
Not at all...

Ok I'll explain it to you. Nuke = lots of side affects. Messy. Dirty. Hurts more than the target area.

MOAB: Nice fireball, controlled damage, cleaner weapon.

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Originally Posted by Schofield (Post 5006112)
That's a solution to you. That's mass genocide to the rest of the world.

And your solution is....

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Originally Posted by Schofield (Post 5006112)
I don't have one,

Oh, ok. Well, sit down then.

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Originally Posted by Schofield (Post 5006112)
but not having one is better than MOABING/Nuking/etc a large population of the world.

No its not. Overpopulation is a problem. I am giving you a quick and easy solution. Obliterate the useless continent.

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Originally Posted by ShadowSteelDragon (Post 5006165)
Actually, I'd say having a terrible solution that still fixes the problem is better than still having the problem...

:nodding:

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Originally Posted by Schofield (Post 5006180)
Not really, considering it would effect more than just Africa...

Several thousand MOAB's would be highly beneficial. Give training to US pilots for the eventual war after Iraq, lessen the amount of weapons the US currently has, and reduce the surplus population. Maybe even eradicate Ebola too.

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Originally Posted by Afterburner (Post 5006344)
It's true. The world is a much better place when I just pretend Africa doesn't exist. Though I can't do that for too long, I'm too nice to just ignore it, but not nice enough to do anything about it (yet.)

All Africa has ever done for me is given me a location for the setting of Far Cry 2.

And you all think Im just talking out my ass or for attention, I would love to even be the bombardier to drop a MOAB on Kenya.

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Originally Posted by n0e (Post 5006405)
K. However the radioactive fallout of just one bomb will contaminate at least one continent depending on where it's detonated. Violence is never the answer. You only perpetuate intolerance doing so.

Violence is ALWAYS the answer. Violence is the universal method of communication.

Your dog pees on the carpet. What do you do? Sit down and have a heart to heart talk? No, most people bring the dog over, make him smell it, and swat him on the ass.

Violence is the only language that is trans-species. You cant tell a dog a damn thing, but if you strike it, it knows whats up.

And it has nothing to do with tolerance. The problem is too many people. The solution? Well, we could follow your 20 year plan, and continue to drain resources until then, or we could wipe them out and see immediate results.

1 nuke wouldnt contaminate a "continent". Africa is very large, and a nuke is quite tiny.

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Originally Posted by n0e (Post 5006405)
A better idea, how about we do that right here in the US and try to convince those religious nutjobs that having 20 kids isn't a good thing simply because the vagina can pump them out.

Ok you can start doing that, I'll do something useful, like help load the bombs, and we will see who is more effective after 30 days.

You cant convince religious morons to leave you alone on a Sunday Morning, and you thing you can stop them from fucking? No.


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Originally Posted by Nemmerle (Post 5006445)
So use a chemical weapon instead.

There ya go.

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Originally Posted by Nemmerle (Post 5006445)
If Nitestryker really was about to launch his genocide campaign are you telling me you'd tolerate him? That, even believing it's wrong, you wouldn't kill him if given the option?

He would. "Well thats just how he is and we need to respect that". Fuck no. Any intelligent-minded individual wouldnt let me get away with that. (But I would still try). Its how Hitler came to power.

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Originally Posted by Nemmerle (Post 5006445)
Our society is fucked up because of this ideology of not fighting for what you believe in. Tolerate everyone, violence never solved anything; the old self-interested clichés. Some things shouldn't be tolerated; some things are worth killing and dying over.

Game. Match. Point. Win.

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Originally Posted by Nemmerle (Post 5006445)
You can be sure if you’re not prepared to do the killing to reach an end you desire someone else, probably someone not as nice as you, will do it to reach the end they desire; either with economics in the case of more developed nations or with physical weapons in the case of internal rivalries; hence the state of Africa today.

I will get alot farther with killing people than someone will with negotiation.

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Originally Posted by computernerd (Post 5006556)
So, because they're not as advanced or "important" as us, they are therefore useless and we should dispose of them like garbage?

Yes. They dont help anybody or anything. Look at the GDP of Africa.

2,200,100, says WIKI

For the entire continent, 2 million dollars. Seriously.

They are not contributing to the world and I dont have the time or desire to bring them up to speed. So, they can tell us how our MOAB's work.

Afterburner September 14th, 2009 04:24 PM

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In all seriousness though the entire Earth is biologically and culturally connected. If Africa were leveled you would lose a ridiculous amount of wildlife, plant types, and thousands of years of culture. It's the fucknig cradle of life for Chirst's sake! Drums, guitars, and music in general. Lions, elephants, hippos, and thousands of other species would be wiped out, some of the most beautiful landscape in the world, destroyed. The last vestiges of hunter-gatherers and horticulturalists destroyed.

Actually most of Africa isn't war torn and violent. Toss a dart and it'll probably hit somewhere peaceful. It's mostly the semi-civilized nations that have been entirely forged in warfare. And, to be fair, that is basically Europe and America's fault.

Schofield September 14th, 2009 05:51 PM

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Well Nitestryker, at least the name of this thread fits you perfectly. You must have been thrown down the stairs at birth or something to be that arrogant.

You might as well nuke your own country as well since it's about as useful as Africa.

NiteStryker September 14th, 2009 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Afterburner (Post 5006776)
In all seriousness though the entire Earth is biologically and culturally connected.

Each continent is more biologically connected than the entire world, I think. Africa is pretty isolated, and I dont think many creatures naturally interact with Africa from, say, North America.

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It's the fucknig cradle of life for Chirst's sake!

No actually central Iraq is the cradle of life. Around the tigris and euphrates rivers.

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Drums, guitars, and music in general. Lions, elephants, hippos, and thousands of other species would be wiped out, some of the most beautiful landscape in the world, destroyed.

Well.....lots of cool splosions.

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Originally Posted by Afterburner (Post 5006776)
Toss a dart and it'll probably hit somewhere peaceful.

So you advocate shooting tungsten rods from space then. Ok, noted.

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It's mostly the semi-civilized nations that have been entirely forged in warfare. And, to be fair, that is basically Europe and America's fault.

So its a giant failed simcity. Time to click the "meteor" disaster bomb.

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Originally Posted by Schofield (Post 5006877)
Well Nitestryker, at least the name of this thread fits you perfectly. You must have been thrown down the stairs at birth or something to be that arrogant.

:lol: What is arrogant about it? Really. Tell me. Because I want to bomb a continent to reduce the global population? Lay your years of wisdom and knowledge on me.

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You might as well nuke your own country as well since it's about as useful as Africa.

Says the CANADIAN.

Canada — GDP: $1.271 trillion
United States — GDP: 13.84 Trillion
Australia — GDP: $773 billion
Iran — GDP: $294.1 Billion
Iraq — GDP: 102.4 Billion
Germany — GDP: $2.807 trillion
France — GDP: 2.56 Trillion
Russia — GDP: $1.29 Trillion
Syria — GDP: 90.37 Billion

Kenya — GDP: 29.3 Billion
Algeria — GDP: $131.6 Billion
Libya — GDP: $57.06 Billion
South Africa — GDP: 282.6 Billion
Madagascar — GDP: $18.44 billion

All about 2007 numbers, so they are all probably lower right now.

The GDP of the STATE OF CALIFORNIA: The state's GDP is at about $1.7 trillion

My state puts out more than entire countries. My state puts out more than YOUR country.

Recognize your inferiority.

Afterburner September 14th, 2009 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5006896)
Each continent is more biologically connected than the entire world, I think. Africa is pretty isolated, and I dont think many creatures naturally interact with Africa from, say, North America.

The destruction of plant life in Africa would drastically increase the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, as well as reduce the amount of Oxygen. I don't think I need to go into details about why that is bad. Also, huge amounts of mineral wealth are brought out of Africa every year, and nuking it would make those materials unavailable. Even killing all the people would make it nearly impossible to exploit as no people in their right minds would give up a comfy life in the West to go work a mine in Africa. The West's wealth is essentially built on the work of Africa and Asia. I'm not even trying to be preachy or anything, I'm just pointing out that Africa is a valuable source of material and manpower that is better exploited than destroyed.

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No actually central Iraq is the cradle of life. Around the tigris and euphrates rivers.
No, homo sapien likely evolved in Africa. Mesopotamia is the "Cradle of Civilization" not life.


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So its a giant failed simcity. Time to click the "meteor" disaster bomb.
Except the people living there are real people, with real problems, living in a world directly connected to us through culture, history, and economics.

Schofield September 14th, 2009 06:26 PM

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Are you really that dumb? California has a higher population than Canada, I would hope the GDP is greater. I can't recognize my inferiority, because, well only an idiot would say someone, in this case an entire country, is inferior.

Oh, and you do fit the definition of arrogance very nicely,
Arrogance: offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride.

You are arrogant as fuck.

I've never seen someone act more superior than you, and look like such a hypocrite while doing so.

NiteStryker September 14th, 2009 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Afterburner (Post 5006908)
The destruction of plant life in Africa would drastically increase the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, as well as reduce the amount of Oxygen. I don't think I need to go into details about why that is bad.

*sigh* fine.

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Originally Posted by Afterburner (Post 5006908)
Also, huge amounts of mineral wealth are brought out of Africa every year, and nuking it would make those materials unavailable. Even killing all the people would make it nearly impossible to exploit as no people in their right minds would give up a comfy life in the West to go work a mine in Africa.

Ok fine, we will let them stay alive, but only to bring me diamonds.

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Originally Posted by Afterburner (Post 5006908)
The West's wealth is essentially built on the work of Africa and Asia. I'm not even trying to be preachy or anything, I'm just pointing out that Africa is a valuable source of material and manpower that is better exploited than destroyed.

Fine, but Im not paying them. And I get to explode any number of MOABS in the Sahara.

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Originally Posted by Afterburner (Post 5006908)
No, homo sapien likely evolved in Africa. Mesopotamia is the "Cradle of Civilization" not life.

Oh ok. I knew it was the cradle of something or another.


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Except the people living there are real people, with real problems, living in a world directly connected to us through culture, history, and economics.

Not connected enough to evolve with the rest of the world obviously.

Afterburner September 14th, 2009 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Schofield (Post 5006913)
Are you really that dumb? California has a higher population than Canada, I would hope the GDP is greater.

The per capita GDP is also higher by like 3,000 or so.

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Not connected enough to evolve with the rest of the world obviously.
Again, largely the fault of the west. It's true that at the time of Imperialism most of Africa was still hunter-gatherers or primitive agriculture, but that is because that was the most effective form of survival in the African continent. Actually, it's interesting because hunting and gathering is both more efficent, and leaves more down time for the average person than industrialized work.

NiteStryker September 14th, 2009 06:34 PM

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Are you really that dumb? California has a higher population than Canada, I would hope the GDP is greater.

Damn..so my state is more desirable than your whole country.

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I can't recognize my inferiority, because one, well only an idiot would say someone, in this case an entire country, is inferior.

Because you are. My state contributes to the world more than your entire country.

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Originally Posted by Schofield (Post 5006913)
Oh, and you do fit the definition of arrogance very nicely,
Arrogance: offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride.

Its only offensive to you. And its normal level pride, its my level of dislike for your country that is overbearing.

Schofield September 14th, 2009 06:44 PM

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Nah, not really. Arrogance is making you think that, no matter what, your mind will tell you to say your a superior being then everyone else. Your probably just some 27 year old fat pasty American who lives in his moms basement. I can't even exit the site without my friend telling me you just replied.

You haven't given me a reason to why your country is so much better than mine, you keep bringing up the issue of money, well how exactly does a country of 30 million compete with 30 million people?

By the way, printing money does not mean you have money. For example, Canada prints money, and we have it, you guys print money, you lose it because your lack of intelligence can't tell you how to keep it.

NiteStryker September 14th, 2009 06:59 PM

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Nah, not really. Arrogance is making you think that, no matter what, your mind will tell you to say your a superior being then everyone else.

To everyone? Nope. To your country? Yes.

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Your probably just some 27 year old fat pasty American who lives in his moms basement.

Im a 21 year old Marine who has his own 2 bedroom place 5 blocks from the beach. You?

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You haven't given me a reason to why your country is so much better than mine, you keep bringing up the issue of money, well how exactly does a country of 30 million compete with 30 million people?

Let the populations speak for themselves.

And my STATE (not country) has more money. Higher standard of living. Better weather, better locations, we pratically invented the computer, and 1/3rd of the US Navy is in our state. Enough to decimate your country.

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Originally Posted by Schofield (Post 5006928)
By the way, printing money does not mean you have money.
For example, Canada prints money, and we have it,

As you just said, printing money doesnt mean you have it. My STATE cannot print money. We just make it, and bathe in it. Except for our lack of government budget.

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Originally Posted by Schofield (Post 5006928)
you guys print money, you lose it because your lack of intelligence can't tell you how to keep it.

How can you give any financial advice when your country is surpassed by Germany, France, or Russia?

Schofield September 14th, 2009 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5006939)
has more money. Higher standard of living. Better weather, better locations, we pratically invented the computer, and 1/3rd of the US Navy is in our state. Enough to decimate your country.

Higher standards of living? I've been to both countries, equal for the most part, except in fucking Edmonton where houses are always shiny. I'm sorry, what? Weather? What the fuck, are you that desperate to make your country look better? Better locations? Ummm, ok, I honestly don't know what point your trying to prove now. Wow, you invented the computer, it made your country a fat ass but not ours. :fistpunch: Yes, you have a larger military, do Americans really need to scream that into everyones ears every five minutes? You can't beat a group of terrorists you call the Al-Qaeda, your army would have no impact on Canada, larger country, properly armed. As much as you would deny that, it's true; our military isn't bad, it's just over looked by yours because your right beside us.

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We just make it, and bathe in it. Except for our lack of government budget.

Oh, so your dirty too?

If your a Marine, which for some reason I doubt. Wouldn't you have something better to do then idk, argue with a 16 year old about nothing really important? Like I said, you must have been thrown down the stairs at birth, because your really quite pathetic for someone your age. If you even are that age, you seem to BS to be true.

NiteStryker September 14th, 2009 07:16 PM

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If your a Marine, which for some reason I doubt.

:rofl:

Someone educate this kid for me please. You want a picture of my AAV?

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Wouldn't you have something better to do then idk, argue with a 16 year old about nothing really important?

Nah, bored. Wife watching VMA's.

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Like I said, you must have been thrown down the stairs at birth, because your really quite pathetic for someone your age.

:lol: Why so serious. Can you even legally drive?

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If you even are that age, you seem to BS to be true.

:lol: :rofl:
I love filefront.

Schofield September 14th, 2009 07:46 PM

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Wanna see a picture of me making out with Megan Fox? Ya, I took a course on photoshop as well ;)

Did you give me this?
http://forums.filefront.com/images/r...tation_neg.gifArrogance September 14th, 2009 06:00 PMYou define "Epic Failure". Your Country is way beneth the United States. Always has been, Always will be.

Last time I checked, Canada was north of United States.

No but seriously, you keep saying America is so much better, yet you can't give any reason to why it's so much better. Please don't say anything about the military, it's used so much. "We stopped WW2!" No, you didn't stop WW2, you just helped fight in it.

NiteStryker September 14th, 2009 07:56 PM

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Wanna see a picture of me making out with Megan Fox? Ya, I took a course on photoshop as well ;)

Give me 5 numbers. I will write them down and take a pic of myself with the written down numbers on a piece of paper in my AAV.

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Did you give me this?
http://forums.filefront.com/images/r...tation_neg.gifArrogance September 14th, 2009 06:00 PMYou define "Epic Failure". Your Country is way beneth the United States. Always has been, Always will be.

I tried to rep you a positive and say "whysoserious", but it said "you must spread rep around". But that is hilarious.

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Last time I checked, Canada was north of United States.

No, its just above it.

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No but seriously, you keep saying America is so much better, yet you can't give any reason to why it's so much better. Please don't say anything about the military, it's used so much. "We stopped WW2!"

I keep saying it. We have the cash. The dough. The green. The mulah. The benjamins. The dolla dolla bill yall. The stacks. The gold. The money.

My state contributes to the world more than your country in the gross domestic product. Our women are hotter and more artifically enhanced. We have In and Out. And we have taco shops.

Afterburner September 14th, 2009 08:00 PM

Re: Arrogance
 
So watching two incredibly stubborn people dick wave at each other is getting rather old. Though, the lol's of it hasn't quite worn thin it's getting there.

NiteStryker September 14th, 2009 08:01 PM

Re: Arrogance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Afterburner (Post 5007002)
So watching two incredibly stubborn people dick wave at each other is getting rather old. Though, the lol's of it hasn't quite worn thin it's getting there.

Im wanting to play battlefield bad company but my wife insists on watching dancing with the stars.:bawl:


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