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There are some that would argue that diplomacy is merely violence in more polite forms.

And is what we do natural? Yes, fully. We are arrogant, because as humans our impulses drive us to the now. We can plan, but at every option we will try to stuff ourselves as full as possible.
It's a survival instinct on a small scale.
If you ate well in the summer, you are potentionally going to survive the winter. If you spend less energy on summer you have more for harder times etc etc.
The problem is, we have managed to get beyond this. We as a race keep finding ways how to gain energy without spending too much of it. Thinking about the fact that we will use up all the energy and there won't be any way to get it back, or that we will completely destroy our ecosystem and as such kill us, just does not come naturally to us.

In order to get out of the humanity sucks syndrome that seems to perpetrate a lot of threads, we have to turn AWAY from our natural sides. We have to think in ways that are NOT natural for humans.

So I do agree with those saying that humans act naturally. They currently do.

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Like starting to co-operate? Not just with the neighbour (in those cases when you don't want to get rid of them), but on a much larger scale? To see beyond the so called current gains and profits, and think on a radically longer term? Even if it's still profit orientated (not money, but natural sources), but al least your grandchildren, or the other's grandchilder will benefit of it aswell. Like energy sources, for one example, but it's a nearly enless list, under one title: Earth.

The greatest curse of mankind that while we're fighting with each other, our whole surrounding suffers from it. It's amazing how one race thinks that with sophisticated languages, significant brain capacity, with so called culture, and society, all the 'achievement' of humanity, they're entitled to judge over the rest of the World. I guess arrogance has to do something with this.

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You are entitled to whatever you can force. Entitlement, rights, responsibility, these are all just notions. It's not as though there is some invisible force that will punish humans for being bad. If humans are destroying the planet (which we aren't.) IT is simply the consequences of our own actions that we will have to deal with, not some vengeful spirit of the Earth manifesting itself to deal out justice.

Nature is nothing but a system. If we are damaging the planet it is like throwing a wrench into a machine, not like spitting int he face of a tiger. The "response" is simple a result of our actions.

Now tell me, can you be arrogant towards a machine?

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STFU C3P0 you insignificant piece of talking shit.

I can.

Actually, nature will bring equalibrium to our planet one way or another. It always does.

Nitegriffin, just because we are intelligent and everything doesn't mean we won't kill each other. You stick two men on an island with one apple. Whoever gets the apple first dies. Ok horribly bad analogy, but, we're all stuck on earth, only a few nations are going to survive, and they're the ones with a good democracy, and a big army. So the West will prevail while the rest of the world destroys itself. Whoever has the resources to spare will probably last the longest. Canada has a ton of natural resources, and water (yes thats a resource to), and America has the guns for protection/secuity, together we cannot be beaten. Oh, and Britain, but once they run out of tea and biscuits *cough* cookies *cough* they'll all die...

I just said something like that in geography, just thought I'd throw it to you guys :)

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C3P0 has the capability for thought, the Earth does not. You can be arrogant towards C3P0 because C3P0 is capable of understanding the concept of understanding arrogance.

Hardly. The planet swings wildly between climate extremes, millions of species have come and gone, and the planet is always changing. You do understand what equilibrium means right?

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If my geography definition is the right one, then yes.

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People were supporting themselves well enough for tens of thousands of years before the expendable resources we think of as important came along. Empires rise and fall, people starve or eat, but unless we do something incredibly stupid it will be but a change in our social structure. Even the radiation from nuclear weapons wouldn't be as big a threat as people think, (far more serious would be the ash and heat from burning cities and the depletion of the ozone from related effects.)

The world wasn't equal two hundred years ago when oil and advanced mechanised infrastructure wasn't around and it won't be equal in two hundred years time if those things are gone.

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We will have to learn from the crab people.

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Gaia will do it.

During the Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum the Arctic Ocean had a temperature of 23 °C and crocodiles in it.
After the climate change there will still be some nice islands left for humans to live and fight with each other.