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Nemmerle September 13th, 2009 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5005567)
There is a difference though, between what I am trying to say, and how you're interpreting my post.

For our current state of evolution, and to live as we're commonly doing, we need to cut down tree's, and we need to burn oil, and we need to build houses. However, as an example, why litter when you can simply put rubbish in a bin? The amount of people I've seen littering when there has been a perfectly good bin not ten feet away is ridiculous.

If we did that what would street cleaners do for a living?

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Originally Posted by Aerilon (Post 5005567)
The same could be said for the tree's that we cut down. There was this documentary on TV the other week, about some island that people were going too for the tree's. Instead of starting at the edge, the decided to start cutting down the tree's right in the middle, thus cutting off the wildlife there. If they had to cut down those specific tree's they could have at least started at the edge, then worked their way through.

I find it hard to believe that cutting down the trees in the middle cut off some stream of wildlife that wouldn't have been cut off cutting down a similar number of trees at the edge. And as I find it hard to believe, even if it's true, it seems likely that the people doing so would also.

Not being a person involved in the tree cutting business it's also possible that they actually had a reason for starting in the centre.

Primarch Vulkan September 13th, 2009 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Nemmerle (Post 5005946)
If we did that what would street cleaners do for a living?

Clean the streets old skool style a mop and a bucket

Schofield September 13th, 2009 06:55 PM

Re: Arrogance
 
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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5005924)
Ok for pete's sake, how about MOAB's? Better? Damn, you get the point.

Not at all...

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5005924)
You ask for a solution. I give you one. Then you bitch about it.

That's a solution to you. That's mass genocide to the rest of the world.

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5005924)
And what are yours?

I don't have one, but not having one is better than MOABING/Nuking/etc a large population of the world.

ShadowSteelDragon September 13th, 2009 08:08 PM

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Actually, I'd say having a terrible solution that still fixes the problem is better than still having the problem...

Schofield September 13th, 2009 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowSteelDragon (Post 5006165)
Actually, I'd say having a terrible solution that still fixes the problem is better than still having the problem...

Not really, considering it would effect more than just Africa...

Nemmerle September 13th, 2009 11:42 PM

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Africa and so on are only a problem if you care. Solution: stop caring.

A sunbeam came down from on high and suddenly all was right with the world.

Afterburner September 14th, 2009 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Nemmerle (Post 5006240)
Africa and so on are only a problem if you care. Solution: stop caring.

A sunbeam came down from on high and suddenly all was right with the world.

It's true. The world is a much better place when I just pretend Africa doesn't exist. Though I can't do that for too long, I'm too nice to just ignore it, but not nice enough to do anything about it (yet.)

Jeff September 14th, 2009 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 5005690)
You want to ease the burden on the planet? I offer you a solution. Sometimes doing the right thing, isnt doing the right thing.


Thus creating a further strain on the planet as we look for MORE resources, right?

Hence the "nuke" part. Or other equivalent destructive methods.

K. However the radioactive fallout of just one bomb will contaminate at least one continent depending on where it's detonated. Violence is never the answer. You only perpetuate intolerance doing so.

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You are going to walk over to Africa and tell people who speak in clicks to only have one child? Let me know when you do this, I want to come with you and laugh my ass off.

I think its a great idea, but you would never be able to even communicate such an idea, let alone enforce it.
A better idea, how about we do that right here in the US and try to convince those religious nutjobs that having 20 kids isn't a good thing simply because the vagina can pump them out. I wish they were more rare then they really are.

Nemmerle September 14th, 2009 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by n0e (Post 5006405)
K. However the radioactive fallout of just one bomb will contaminate at least one continent depending on where it's detonated.

So use a chemical weapon instead.

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Originally Posted by n0e (Post 5006405)
Violence is never the answer.

It may not be the answer you like but it's certainly an answer. Those who disagree should conjure up the ghosts of the civilisations who did not and for whom the matter was resolved.

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Originally Posted by n0e (Post 5006405)
You only perpetuate intolerance doing so.

If Nitestryker really was about to launch his genocide campaign are you telling me you'd tolerate him? That, even believing it's wrong, you wouldn't kill him if given the option?

Our society is fucked up because of this ideology of not fighting for what you believe in. Tolerate everyone, violence never solved anything; the old self-interested clichés. Some things shouldn't be tolerated; some things are worth killing and dying over.

You can be sure if you’re not prepared to do the killing to reach an end you desire someone else, probably someone not as nice as you, will do it to reach the end they desire; either with economics in the case of more developed nations or with physical weapons in the case of internal rivalries; hence the state of Africa today.

Veesaurus September 14th, 2009 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Nemmerle (Post 5006445)

Our society is fucked up because of this ideology of not fighting for what you believe in. Tolerate everyone, violence never solved anything; the old self-interested clichés. Some things shouldn't be tolerated; some things are worth killing and dying over. .

Well i suppose you are right that there are things worth fighting for but killing and dying is a bit harsh I would say. Killing for land and resources and dying for lets say religion really is not worth it, actualy thats just a sad waste of a life that could bring happines to an other persons.
When someone gets greedy none should suffer for it. Defending and fighting for whats yours,family etc yes but none should be above another.

And people could switch their lights off and not stay in the shower fo 30min and use 'green'product. hmm maybe climat changes and the A.I:s taking over the world is not just because we are arrogant basterds but Greedy basterds.


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