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"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to NiteStryker again." :(

I definitely agree. Do humans do some things wrong, maybe self destructive or hurtful to the environment? Of course, we aren't perfect. But you know what, we're pretty fucking awesome. We've obliterated some of the worst diseases to have every afflicted humanity, and contained or made treatable many more. We've conquered gravity itself with powered flight, despite having no wings of our own. We've built buildings that in their own way match some of the greatest natural monuments. We've made it possible to travel around the world in less than a day, and we almost routinely travel to space, and have landed on other heavenly bodies.

We are the only species we know of that his so wide ranging, so pervasive, so powerful, so constructive (and true, destructive) and so god damned effective at almost everything we do. It's getting to the point where we can do just about everything nature can do, and strictly speaking, do it better.

Yet... yet, you take a man, strip him of his technology, and place him at the edge of the Grand Canyon, on ridge in the Appalachians, in the middle of a lush field of flowers, at the edge of one of the great oceans, or even just in the middle of some nondescript copse of trees and he still marvels at the beauty of nature, the complexity around him. We could obliterate it all in the push of a button, but when in the midst of it we take in it's majesty.

My no means are we an arrogant species. Detached from nature sometimes, surely, but when man and nature reconnect it is still man that is in awe.

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I never said I was depressed or suicidal.

There is a difference though, between what I am trying to say, and how you're interpreting my post.

For our current state of evolution, and to live as we're commonly doing, we need to cut down tree's, and we need to burn oil, and we need to build houses. However, as an example, why litter when you can simply put rubbish in a bin? The amount of people I've seen littering when there has been a perfectly good bin not ten feet away is ridiculous.

The same could be said for the tree's that we cut down. There was this documentary on TV the other week, about some island that people were going too for the tree's. Instead of starting at the edge, the decided to start cutting down the tree's right in the middle, thus cutting off the wildlife there. If they had to cut down those specific tree's they could have at least started at the edge, then worked their way through.

Superior people do tend to be more arrogant though, they've less to worry about.

Such people would have offspring though, and should be looking at what the future may hold for them too.

That is pure speculation. There is equal the chance that they'd be nothing like us.

Why? Could it simply not be the case that we've not progressed (technologically) enough for that yet?

My point with them, is that now people know how bad they are, they ignore the problem and continue with them.

Nobody asked for your feedback. If you're getting sick of these threads, ignore them. If I see a bunch of threads on the forums that have no appeal to me, I don't go in there and tell everyone that I couldn't give a shit, I simply stay away.

I never challenged our accomplishments, only the way in which we accomplish perhaps.

It is true, we've managed some spectaular things, but then, what are any of them going to matter in the long run if we only end up dooming ourselves?

The majority of humanity (to this date) are arrogant.

You made a point about stripping a man of technology, and he'd be at peace with nature and what not. We've still got that. There are still tribes and small communities living around the globe that have no desire for technology, nor do they care to use it. They're quite happy living in huts and living their lives without the need for cars and computers.

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No but you go on about humanity is so damn arrogant. So you are acting like a depressed person. Instead of shit talking your species, think of the good things we have done.

If you are getting sick of my feedback, ignore it...? Your gonna post a little rant about how humanity sucks, well, Im gonna post a reply advocating your suicide.

So many people dont get a chance at life. So many people would give their balls to have the simple things that you take for granted. A house. Indoor plumbing. Running water. Electricity. 3 meals a day. A warm bed at night. A shower.

And you have the testicular fortitude to sit here and cry about how all humans suck.

When you get out and see other countries and other ways of life where they dont even know what the hell a toilet is, you will understand.

We are the dominating species on the planet. We pretty much control everything. But to sustain so many people requires alot of resources. So, unless you agree with me that we need to start nuking irrevelent places (Africa, for example), then you offer no solution.

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I admit we've done some great things, as I said in my last post, but we've done some damn bad ones too. Sure we've acomplished a lot, but we sure as hell shouldn't be proud about everything we've done to get here.

I posted this thread for feedback. I'm not going to go and ignore it. My point was why someone who hates such a topic feels the need to come and let everyone know, especially when they're getting sick of it.

My previous comment wasn't meant to insult (if it did), was just to make a direct point.

I know that the majority of us have it cushy, but I'm not on about that. I'm on about our general attitude toward life, the planet, and our fellow species.

That is some of the arrogance I speak of. Africa is fucked, so lets nuke them? Yeah... Cause that would be morally correct wouldn't it?

What we SHOULD do with this situation, is firstly help out those in need. Following that, if various places are getting overcrowded, we should cut back on reproduction a little, don't you think? The only country I know to have done this is China (one child per family). They've got the right idea. If we're over populating, instead of continuing, we should look at the problem, and ask ourselves what we can do about it.

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I wouldnt be ashamed of it. Why should we feel ashamed? We are only human, figuring out life as we go. There is no rulebook, there is no references. We make mistakes, and for the most part, fix them and move on.

Me and at least 2 other people are getting sick of it. And I take these threads quite personal because I have seen firsthand how shitty people in other countries have it. We, as first world citizens, have absolutely nothing to bitch about. We almost have no right to say how bad anything sucks.

As was mine.

Well you should be.

Well then you just shat on your point right above this one.

We arnt perfect. We are only human, but we really dont go out of our way to cintinue doing something really really bad once we learned its bad.

You want to ease the burden on the planet? I offer you a solution. Sometimes doing the right thing, isnt doing the right thing.

Thus creating a further strain on the planet as we look for MORE resources, right?
Hence the "nuke" part. Or other equivalent destructive methods.

You are going to walk over to Africa and tell people who speak in clicks to only have one child? Let me know when you do this, I want to come with you and laugh my ass off.

I think its a great idea, but you would never be able to even communicate such an idea, let alone enforce it.

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We can only fix so much. We can learn from our mistakes sure, but thats about it. We can't bring back the dead, we can't re-introduce an extinct species (made such by our own doing), we can't extract leaked oil from our oceans...

If you've seen how shitty some people have it, I would have thought you'd feel a bit more sympathy toward them, instead of wanting to nuke them..?

[QUOTE=NiteStryker;5005690Well you should be.[/quote]Why?Again, why? I'm not on about the majority / minority of us, I'm on about humanity as a whole. Those of us with technology and power (however little that may be) are generally arrogant.

There are always alternatives to killing people. Why should we kill those in need, anymore than we should take your life, or mine? What makes us more important? Money?

Well.. no actually. If you think about it, some people have it REAL cushy. If everyone who worked had to give say 1% of their wages to 'the world' that would mount up, and I'd have thought it be enough to help out those in need.

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Yes! Let's nuke Africa because nuclear fallout doesn't exist, nor does the wind. If you were to nuke all over Africa, fallout would be carried everywheres. I really don't know what goes on in your mind. First your saying we have nothing to complain about, and then you want to nuke an entire continent? Not everywheres in Africa is a bad place, there are cities that people live in and half decent lives. Your solution to the problems of the third world is retarted.

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I believe you are missing my point. You can take almost anyone, remove them from technology, and put them back into nature and they are STILL awed, despite all that we have accomplished. That's not arrogance, that's humility.

Just because people are disconnected from nature does not mean they do not stand in awe at it. They just don't have the chance to anymore. The human race is not, in itself, arrogant. Actually, you are far more arrogant than most humans because by making this post you are subtly suggesting you are better than everyone for noticing these things. You may not be saying it outright but it is there.

Hell the concept of arrogance is itself a human concept. Nature doesn't give a shit about how "arrogant" we are because arrogance is a human notion. Nature doesn't actually understand anything since nature isn't itself a thing, it's just a collection of systems that happened to combine in such a way as to create the Earth as we know it.

Morever, we are as much a part of nature as any other form of life. The widely held belief that humans are somehow separate from nature is unscientific. We belong to a species, genus, phylum and so on (I always forget the order of the damn things.) We are made of the same shit as everything else, and we basically function in the same way as most other animals. He'll we're composed of a massive number of small cells that essentially function both on their own and as a network of cells to maintain our bodies. You might as well blame those cells as much as you do the human race, it's all the same shit.

Nature made us the way we are, though not through any conscious effort. We just happened to come out the way we did through random mutations building on each other that happened to have some positive survival effect.

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"Much to learn, you still have." (Yoda)

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No but would you want to? People and things die naturally, species go extinct naturally, and the species that adapt and survive are obviously the stronger.

No, im just saying dont cry that humanity sucks so much when you are in the top 25 percent. You have no basis for your claims.

Maybe the fact that we have advanced and adapted and grown, and they have not?

Did you see the article about the South African telecommunications company? They sent a pigeon with a note to a location, and sent an email to the same location. The pigeon arrived first. However unimportant you think technology is, it has become our way of life. All these countries in Africa that dont even have a government, and is just full of civil war and chaos, dont have a purpose in our world.

I think too much is expected of the rich. I already give up 20 % of my paycheck to my government, I still have my own personal expenses. Why should I help someone else out?

Ok for pete's sake, how about MOAB's? Better? Damn, you get the point.

You ask for a solution. I give you one. Then you bitch about it.

And what are yours?