What is Good and Bad?
 

Simple question really, what is good and bad. Is it merely what sociality defines as good and bad? For example no one knew pot was "bad" before the government outlawed it. Or that killing a person is "bad" but if you do it under the service of the military it is ok and you are doing a duty for your country. Is the sense of good and bad already in or minds when we are born? or is it put there by religion. To myself I believe it to be a mix of all of the above but I give this simple yet deep question to you guys, What is Good and Bad?




P.S-Not sure if this is a Pub topic or not....if not feel free to move

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The subjective engendered with the faith of the objective. A point of view produced by and creating certain social effects.

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morals are created by a mixture of human nature and manipulation by society. For example, if someone kills your father or mother or sibling, you will probably take the notion that murder is wrong from that incidence due to the sadness from what happened. Society alters the morals by saying what is good for it is right, and what is bad for it is wrong. murder is bad because it lowers available population and by extension, productivity. Vandalism is wrong because it is a precursor to anarchy, which is not an asset for society. Marijuana was outlawed because it was from mexico or something. I read something about it, but don't remember.

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right and wrong, good and bad, they are all in the eye of the beholder.

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In general, murder and rape are frowned upon, while helping someone in need or being altruistic is considered good.

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Opinion.

nuff said

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"To speak of right and wrong per se makes no sense at all. No act of violence, rape, exploitation, destruction, is intrinsically unjust, since life itself is violent, rapacious, exploitative, and destructive, and cannot be conceived otherwise."
-Friedrich Nietzsche

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'Bad' is whatever the majority of the society you live in says it is. Ritual human sacrifices and drinking the blood of your enemies is considered to be very bad where I live, and I presume the same is true where you live too, but so far as the Aztecs were concerned it was rockin'.

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You know, I was reading one of Nietzsches books when I came up with this topic, Funny that you would quote it

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Still as far as I know, there was no human culture that considered wanton murder to be good.
Revered ceremonial murder yes. Wanton no. Likewise if you look at most animals that form social groups, they also don't commit wanton murder inside of the group.
It's always purposeful.

I'd say this is more a biological part of us than merely social.

Otherwise in most cases, society creates right and wrong. For various reasons.

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It has pretty much already been said. What is good and bad is all really down to the opinion of people you ask. A good point (made above) was that cold blooded murder (in the streets) is wrong, yet in war, you're commended for killing. I know there are significant differences between the two, but murder is murder at the end of the day.

Solders are allowed you go out and shoot someone that *may* be a threat at a later date, but we're not allowed to hang someone who has killed for pleasure because it is inhumane. Give me a break! :rolleyes:

There are some things that, generally, everyone will agree on. A solid 90% of people on this planet would probably agree that things such as Child Molestation, Rape and Murder (of the criminal kind) are wrong, you're always going to have some though, that believe differently (else there wouldn't be anyone around to commit these crimes).

Generally, the people of a nation / country / county are governed by a set of laws. Those laws are usually placed down by the majority, and they are deemed to be the right ones, and they are deemed to split good and bad into the necessary categories. In some cases there is a fine line, but generally speaking, it is common knowledge what is good, and what is bad in your local community.

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As the rest said: Society, the majority of a society, decides what is considered right or wrong. Be it through actual law or "simply" being frowned upon. Societies change throughout time, so right and wrong will change aswell. Certain things will almost always be considered "wrong" by a very large majority (murder for example), though the exact definition may change ("if a person is killed because of reason A/B/C it ain't murder" -> "killing in self defence ain't murder" ).

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Why do so many humans behave so foolishly. It is far more efficient to deal in absolutes. ei: no exceptions, murder of any kind is wrong. Or: Anarchy ain't that bad, just have fun with it. Currently, society unoffically says: for every human action, there is justification and condemnation. Such a shame. Anyways, a definition of good and bad is society's fault, and can be easily changed with a little independant thinking.





I messed up this whole thing, didn't I?

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By how we define good and bad;

Good = creation
Bad = destruction

Good sometimes needs to destroy, but the action itself doesn't mean it's good.
Bad sometimes needs to create, but the action itself doesn't mean it's bad.

Beyond this, the definition of good and bad is ultimately up to a person or body's interpretation of it.

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It depends on what the world around you defines as right or wrong. There are always the few who either choose to or are unable to live by what the society says is right, and they are the criminals in their lifetime. You will notice that if the society changes its views, they will all of a sudden be hailed as heroes or visionaries.

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This should help..or either provide some comic relief.

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It depends at what state the society was.
A person that kills members of his own society without reasons the society condones (even when it undergoes shifts) would still be seen as evil by the societies standards.

They are actually often seen as evil, or impure if the society condones said killings. I.e. the reasons why an executioner was a respected person, but strongly ostracised from society.

It really depends, if a society splits and goes to civil war (usually due to a long term absence of an external enemy, or external enemies not having as much impact as various groups inside the society to garner a need to rally) and a former criminal starts killing only member's of the other side. And more often than only the able-bodied, he will be seen as a hero.
But if he starts killing or stealing from his own side as well, he will be mercilessly taken down once more.

Again, the act of killing human beings is probably the most relative and subjective of acts.
And depends on a number of factors.

A soldier is seen as a hero, as long as he kills "THEM". Today there's a also a difference in most western countries, that the "THEM" is usually only enemy able bodied soldiers as opposed to the civie population and most importantly the elderly, women and children. Although as more women are becoming soldiers this one part slowly changes.

The THEM is generally defined by some small difference. Different religion, skin-color, language, borders whatever. And said differences are only pronounced during war times.

A murderer is seen as a villain, because he does not kill THEM but US. The important thing, that during peace times the US group expands by a large amount. It's unimportant if he kills americans or europeans or arabs. The moment peace ends, the US group contracts once more.
And if a murderer runs crazy among THEM, he might even be seen as a hero by the US.

Also ever heard the teaching that every single society needs it's heretics to function during peace.
It's odd but humans actually need to have a group which they can regard with at least slight contempt for their societies to work to some extent.
The best for this is an external enemy. You might notice that the largest alliances and nations usually form during such periods. The soviet and western bocks during the cold war for instance. Which while still allied to some extent are far more disorganised today.

These heretics of society are rarely hunted and murdered, but they are generally vilified and while they weaken a society at first glance, they strengthen it in fact.
And once a strong external enemy is found, they are quickly reintegrated back into mainstream society and so that the main body never actually suffers.

That's probably the reason why a world government won't ever function as long as we will only have one world. While these heretics help, they can only do so much. To really reduce powerful tension you need give your society a palpable sense of endangerment.

So let's say Earth and Mars were both inhabited, it would only take a short time for either world to declare independence on each other and as long as both believe that an armed conflict is a possibility, both will quickly create some form of a world government.

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Exactly my point.

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The dictionary has about 40 different definitions for the word "good". I took a few.

Society defines what is truly "moral" between all of the people. Convention tells us that murdering is a "bad" thing. This came to be a LONG LONG time ago when some gathered together and wrote what our now our modern day "laws" about what is good and what is bad. It depends also on what you're perspective is. As was said, a murderer may think what he's doing is "good", but a just person would see that it is "bad".

Common sense also helps in defining what is moral. Common sense would tell you that having an affair with someone is not the best idea in the world. We see what happens because our politicians seem to have issues with this alot. It also tells us stealing is wrong, but how many of us do illegal things on the internet?

But think about it. How many of us in our right minds would kill some innocent person at random? I would hope none of us would. If you can't define what is good and what is bad, then look to what society says is good and bad. Murdering, stealing, raping, "cheating", and such are bad things. There is no law against being happy, kind or gentle with people.

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Good: Christians

Bad: Muslims



Any questions?

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Good or bad are a set of morals defined by Society. Society determines what is good or bad. Kids are taught to conform to societies rules.

Marijuana became bad when it was set to replace wood as the new source for paper and the excellent quality of hemp fibers for lots of different uses. IIRC it was William Randolph Hearst who led the charge to kill marijuana before it could become the biggest cash crop in America.