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Russia to Make Emo and Goth Music Illegal - PSFK.com

"If you wear black eyeliner, straightened long hair that covers at least one eye ball, and have lots of broken heart tattoos and black clothes--you are a menace to society in Russia. While so-called "emo kids" made headlines in Mexico recently for the amount of violence inflicted on them by others, the former Soviet Union is now making the subculture illegal for the amount of violence they apparently inflict on themselves."

Well, not that effective globally, but it's a good fucking start.

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I gasped, I looked as signs of humour, I refused to believe.

I'm not one to listen to emo music, but this kind of censorship is going to make for some fuckin' awesome protests in russia.

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i look forward for this possibly heading to the US :D (i can dream)

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Shouldn't this be in the Music fourm? Anyways, Not really into emo music...but if someone wears black are they consider emo/goth in the russia now? Yeeesh Sterotype's are going to run wild in that country

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You are an idiot aren't you?
This is not as much about the emo subculture as what kind of precedent this might create.
It's basically a kind of racism, merely targeting a fashion culture instead of of a skincolor, gender or whatever.

Plus I thought you were an american. Why aren't you scrambling to defend their right to free speech and selfexpression? Because that's basically what said law would limit.

And on another note, I think news about this is a few months old. Not sure about that though.

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Give those EMOES a break...they look weird and they do weird stuff but it's all their problem and I don't think anyone should give a shit about them.

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Russian reversal does seem to work to some degree, it seems. I thought it'd be enough simply to make it illegal to inflict damage on yourself.

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You must be the only American I know of who actually wants somebody to piss all over the vaunted US Constitution.

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Guys this is the same country that banned South Park, which already has the worst explicit sign on it, basiclly saying that NO ONE should watch it.

Emo's causing violence? Whats next a ban on Death Metal and hardcore rap? Seriously, sometimes I hate my origins...

Anyway, I really doubt its going to be enforced, much like the "No eating oranges in bathtubs" law in California (yes they have a law like that) wasn't enforced. I also ride my bike with no helmet, there's a warning on my bike to wear a helmet always, it says its the law, yet police officers always pass me by and don't appear to notice.

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That is actually one of those laws that makes sense, with the head being rather vulnerable, facial skin prone to keep ever-lasting scars in case of injury and the limited protection a bike can offer you in case of an accident.

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Anything serious enough to screw you over is serious enough that some flimsy piece of crap on your head isn't going to stop you getting totally creamed.

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Are YOU an idiot? It's not some kind of "racism" it's prejudice, jesus, if your going to complain atleast do it right. OOOH, that's right, i forgot that emo's carry severe racial "differences" and CLOTHING can be categorized into that area too, get a god damn clue.

Yes, i am american, and i express my freedom of self expression torwards the hatred of emo's because their nothing more then self loathing, hypocritical, and their "culture" spreads like the plague, with the emphasis on suicide becoming more and more prevalent within this "culture", you think it's a life style? I call it a fucking disease, you don't like that side of my opinion, bitch and moan all you want, but your not going to erase my hatred of them... Some things in this world, DESERVE to be hated, next thing ya know your going to go on lambasting people for hating Nazism/Fascism.

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*facepalm* you didn't get the message. This country is made so that people can freely express themselves, its there choice to give a fuck to what you think.

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And I, was clearly joking with that statement, i didn't actually think or hope that the US would make that a law and enforce it, as it's obvious that it would never happen in this country.

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Excellent. We need to follow suit.

http://www.owensworld.com/funnyimage...idsak0_big.jpg

http://i432.photobucket.com/albums/q...al-picture.jpg

Fucking hate those stupid bastards.

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I agree, Good start! Now everyone follow russia!

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That article is almost a year old...

Plus, have you stopped to actually read any of the more recent articles regarding this? This law is being applied to public locations (IE libraries, schools, etc...), in very much the same way most countries have dress codes which vary depending on the location and what country is applying it. I, for instance, would get fined and removed from my city hall if I was to go in waving the Red flag.

It's not as if they're getting arrested walking the streets with these clothings.

Yes, this measure is too far, but what is there to do? Almost all nations are guilty of flaunting their freedoms yet restricting where those freedoms are applicable. And unfortunately these measures will find acceptance among social conservatives, who want small government but don't mind restricting liberties.

Plus, as far as I know before the swine flu and drug wars began dominating Mexico, there were some well documented "pogroms" of emos where they would get beat down by street gangs in broad daylight with no protection by the police. I'm surprised no one brought those up, but I guess we need some things for the big bad Russians.

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Try beating your head against a wall with and without a helmet. My guess is that you'll survive longer with one.

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Because no one cares. My friends were all talking about this one kid who commit suicide in our school, i heard that he was emo somewhere in the coversation, ya know what i said "Who gives a ****, good riddance". I'm not some idiot who glamours over a death that was self caused by someones own self destructive culture/lifestyle. The sooner people realize this, the sooner they should stop caring about them.

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I've never been fond of emo's, but I find this hatred against them quite startling. Yet they have never bothered me and honestly I I don't really see them as a self-destroying culture... their music has some odd lyrics, but the argument you're using would also say that people who listen to rap are murderers, or those who listen to speed metal are satanic.

Smells like PMRC now.

Really if you want Emo to disappear, just let it disappear. Emo is nowhere near as popular as it was in the past. From my experience most emo's tend to be emo for attention purposes (or to seem 'independent'), and very few are genuinely into this sub-culture. But when these violent actions occur, when laws are put down, it only increases the appeal of being in this sub-culture, and in the end perpetuates its experience.

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This post is just full of win

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My guess is that your skull is intact in both cases and what you're actually looking at is the impact of your brain sloshing around in your head so you'd be screwed either way.

Try hitting a bullet against your forehead with a pillow in the way and without one. What do you know, pillows are bulletproof! Which is of course perfectly true but has absolutely no bearing on the situation you're going to find yourself in when one gets thrown at you at many hundreds of miles an hour.

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I'm not talking about their culture just in music, music doesn't define someone, but how they dress, act, and what music they listen to, all put together, DOES. (or atleast gives someone a justified opinion of them)

And does it increase the appeal of being in this sub culture? Because reverse psychology doesn't always work that way with such a large nation and with the added unpredictability of humans, their is no saying as to what will happen.

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if you ask me, we could really use a mass suicide. too many people these days. especially if the people who are killing themselves are retards thinking they have bad lives living with a roof over a head and 3 square meals. plus snacks.

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You'd be surprised. Just look at otherwise unnotable movies or books which get a lot of attention when they get censored by a certain nation, or if a certain group wants their local town to ban it. Some things can become really fashionable that way. Satanic verses, the cartoon issues, the Passion of Christ, etc...

Another thing to observe is even where the 'internet' rallied against the Church of Scientology. Would their protests been noteworthy had they not been shut down by police in some areas, or threatened to get sued in others?

The "forbidden fruit" factor really helps in this case. To begin with Emo's are in this sub-culture because they feel it to be unique and oppressed by mainstream culture. Now when you put down laws and beat them up over it, it only increases that trait and appeal.

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Emos are stupid scum of society. "Oh my life is pain so Im gonna look like a retard cuz I hate living in upper middle class home with a hot shower and 3 meals a day but my life is pain".

If you wanna kill yourself, just do it already and stop using up my precious oxygen.

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It may be true for books and movies, but what about other things, like anthrax, you think people want to have that in their possession? Or mabye meth, or coke. Books and movies are relatively harmless because those are just mediums of entertainment, why do you think that the united states banned any practicing of religions in which sacrifices are in order, because it's dangerous to society, one could also go as far as to say that it's a life style, has banning it made it happen less in our country? Sure as hell, is it still performed, undoubtebly yes, but often? Hell no.

It could sway either way, and depending on the depravity of these things, it will influence it strongly one way or another.

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Actually, I think we should keep our stupid people, send them to a isolated place and make them breed, from there we will make our armies. Emo's will be our suicide bombers

Life is cheap, tanks are not. :smokin:

Well, its not just that, its also the media giving away the governments plans, or how to make a bomb in a airplane using cleaners and stuff in the airplane bathroom. That kind of stuff is better left for the media NOT knowing.....

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You'd still live longer with the helmet as it is designed to absorb energy, bycicle helmets usually consist of some foam-like polymer that absorbs energy by converting it into cracks in its fabric. The form of a helmet can also increase impact area.
Besides, a concussion is preferable to a concussion with lacerations to your face.

We're still talking about bicycle accidents here, right? Of course if you have people shooting at you kevlar may be more appropriate than those plastic shells.

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Considering that most suicides most likely aren't committed by emos, most of your points don't really strike home.

Also we are way way away from a situation like the one which followed after the Leiden des jungen Werthers.
The suicide rate amongst teens is a lot lower.

Emo is a lifestyle, sure most of us don't have to agree with it (although some of the hairstyles are awesome), most of us might consider them idiots and panzies, but most of them won't actually go and kill themselves.
Sure they might go and cut themselves, but rarely is there any lasting harm.
Also if someone really has inclings to go and commit suicide, being emo will not make said more likely to commit it.

As to the racist part. It was the most appropriate word at that moment, for a word like fashionist or sttylist (in the negative connotation kind of way) does not really exist.
Also keep in mind that perfect english isn't given to all of us.

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Now you are just reaching. First, emo culture is not self-destructive. As Angel has pointed out above me, most suicides are not committed by emos nor are they a leading cause of increases in suicides.

And as far as I know, these fears of Emos more result from how they exist outside our social norms rather than our concern of what they'll do to themselves or any invisible danger to our society.

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It still is a stupid law, why doesn't a law that says that "any person that causes offense (to the staff) may be evicted from the buidling". Thus if somebody is out there to offend people (like waving a swastika flag around, making heil hitler salutes and waving his ass at a photo of the president or whiping his ass with the flag) he or she can be kicked out. Even if there is a notable amount of "emo's" causing disruption it is just silly to put a special law like this in place. It is shameless generisation.

Lol, that's fucked up. If I want to walk in with a hammer and sickle flag that is up to me not? Now if I start waving it around to disrupt the order that would be an other thing (but the same would apply if I'd wave a flag around but it being the national flag instead, I'm still disrupting order)...


Aye. What you can do is voting on politicians who aren't bloody idiots, and hope they don't give in to the request of some retards.

That's messed up.

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It's not so much about maintaining "order" as it is over the dominant social standings of the people in the town. Texas doesn't have a law per say forbidding the red flag. As far as I know, only Oklahoma specifically bans the Red flag (ironically Oklahoma was also the biggest Socialist state in the Union before WW I). So if I was to go into my city hall with the red flag on my shirt or something they could interpret as Communist, Socialist, or Anarchist in nature, they won't hesitate to remove me and the citizens won't care because they see these things as evil. There's probably a law here protecting my right to do that, but why should the government bother recognizing when their people don't seem to care about it? That's the attitude most Southerners have unfortunately.

It's the same with the Russians. Most of this was probably motivated by popular rage, as you can see echoed in this thread with problems against Emos, and thus the government can implement it with no opposition aside from the group they are targeting. And being a minority group who has no significant political force, they can't do much about it.

My point being that it doesn't matter if you are protected by law or banned, it comes down to the social practices at large which dominate this. Technically social liberties were implemented by the US government to protect minorities from the "Tyranny of the Majority", but we've seen that many times, not just in the United States, this isn't true in practice due to populist tendencies.

This is why I can really respect politicians who won't fall prone to populist tendencies, and are far-sighted enough to stick to protecting liberties. Conversely we can see what has happened to nations which have fallen prone to overly populist tendencies and embraced mob rule- Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Fascist Spain, Soviet Union and their puppets, Pinochet, Saddam Hussein, etc etc...

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I didn't say it was outrageous, I just said that its just one of those inconvenient laws (well for me) that aren't enforced properly, I mean whose going to enforce them after all? Why would you pull a kid over for not wearing a hlemet when you can catch a speeder?

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And it sucks. It takes away the liberties of many an innocent, harmless person. If your case for exampe, if you dress like a commie doesn't have to mean you are one. And even if you are one, it doesn't mean you are somehow "bad" or "evil" or will inflict harm upon your fellow man (besides casting your vote during elections, with the oppresion of the majority etc.) :lol:

People can walk around my townhouse or down my street in any outfit, from overly nationalistic to something totally gay (literraly) or from "american/capitalistic" to "commie". I don't give a shit till they start shouting stuff that either annoys or offends me.

It's a liberty I grant to others and I would like to be granted to me. So I feel sorry for those who put these dresscodes in place.

Aye, certain things might be more or less socially acceptable then others (I'd get a lot more negative feedback if I'd walk around in a german WW2 army uniform let alone a waffen SS uniform then when I'd walk around as a "commie" soldier or historic Dutch tunic), but to me that doesn't mean we should ban things that are socially less acceptable. If those things seem to get out of hand (ea: I also start shouting "sieg heil" and goose stepping up and down the street while ranting some stuff about how we should sent all immigrants/jews/whatever to concetration camps some current laws should be sufficient enough to remove me from the street (creating disorder, racism etc. would apply to me in this case).

I agree. Though many people don't really see those same people as populist but as "voicing our thoughts at last". Though some are populist and don't deny it. One party here, run by Mrs. Verdonk, actively campaigns that people should tell her their thoughts and views so she can draw up a party program. If you ask me it can't get more silly, somebody proudly "selling herself out" (who says she won't betray my views and my support for her next week since "popular opinion" on a topic has changed?? ugh). :uhoh:

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Its understandable they make self harm illegal but to ban a style that is popular just becuase it assicoated with cutting will convince more kids dress dark and cut themselfs to go above the law.

Since so many people are into cutting this should be a good reason the goverments tax pot becuase it scares people away from cutting and such.

I think they should make the style more of a cross between hippies & rockstars.

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Wait wait wait.

So I'm banned in Russia?


....That's actually kinda cool<__<

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Yes, you're not wanted in the libraries or parliament. Not that you would want to go into the shit hole that is the Russian Duma.

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Well I have a teleporter coming your way.

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http://fucanay.fischerworks.com/pictures/emo.jpeg

better let the UN know about this...gonna be like Jonestown all over again.

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Actually come to think of it, there's actually some sense in this, Emo's only dress the way they do so there parents don't take them to places with them!

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Huh…is that why young aspiring gangbangers still have their mommies drive them to school?
http://bp0.blogger.com/_DGGTIw7syH8/...gangbanger.jpg

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Hey, we also dress this way because the girls go wild for it ;) I would know :D

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http://s.bebo.com/app-image/67742142.../03/23/Emo.jpg
OH I LOVE YOU! YES I DO!!

Yeah…whatever…

=p

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Well, if they really where a gangbanger, then they'd be able to force there Mom/Dad to put that on the bumper. :p

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Russian Emo's are gonna cut themselves when they see this news piece.

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http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:...2520friend.jpg

Get on with it...got gangbangers in the US to collect!

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Is that a dude or a chick? Christ...

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Damn right you do! :D

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/h...6/emo-love.jpg

And Jeffro, that's a guy, but that is not emo, that's just poser idiocy, something that has become rampant in the scene. xD