Russia Bans emo's!

[Commissar MercZ]

Originally Posted by bud389

It may be true for books and movies, but what about other things, like anthrax, you think people want to have that in their possession? Or mabye meth, or coke. Books and movies are relatively harmless because those are just mediums of entertainment, why do you think that the united states banned any practicing of religions in which sacrifices are in order, because it's dangerous to society, one could also go as far as to say that it's a life style, has banning it made it happen less in our country? Sure as hell, is it still performed, undoubtebly yes, but often? Hell no.

It could sway either way, and depending on the depravity of these things, it will influence it strongly one way or another.

Now you are just reaching. First, emo culture is not self-destructive. As Angel has pointed out above me, most suicides are not committed by emos nor are they a leading cause of increases in suicides.

And as far as I know, these fears of Emos more result from how they exist outside our social norms rather than our concern of what they'll do to themselves or any invisible danger to our society.

[Admiral Donutz]

Originally Posted by Commissar MercZ

That article is almost a year old...

Plus, have you stopped to actually read any of the more recent articles regarding this? This law is being applied to public locations (IE libraries, schools, etc...),

It still is a stupid law, why doesn't a law that says that "any person that causes offense (to the staff) may be evicted from the buidling". Thus if somebody is out there to offend people (like waving a swastika flag around, making heil hitler salutes and waving his ass at a photo of the president or whiping his ass with the flag) he or she can be kicked out. Even if there is a notable amount of "emo's" causing disruption it is just silly to put a special law like this in place. It is shameless generisation.

in very much the same way most countries have dress codes which vary depending on the location and what country is applying it. I, for instance, would get fined and removed from my city hall if I was to go in waving the Red flag.

Lol, that's fucked up. If I want to walk in with a hammer and sickle flag that is up to me not? Now if I start waving it around to disrupt the order that would be an other thing (but the same would apply if I'd wave a flag around but it being the national flag instead, I'm still disrupting order)...

Yes, this measure is too far, but what is there to do? Almost all nations are guilty of flaunting their freedoms yet restricting where those freedoms are applicable. And unfortunately these measures will find acceptance among social conservatives, who want small government but don't mind restricting liberties.

Aye. What you can do is voting on politicians who aren't bloody idiots, and hope they don't give in to the request of some retards.

Plus, as far as I know before the swine flu and drug wars began dominating Mexico, there were some well documented "pogroms" of emos where they would get beat down by street gangs in broad daylight with no protection by the police. I'm surprised no one brought those up, but I guess we need some things for the big bad Russians.

That's messed up.

[Commissar MercZ]

Originally Posted by Admiral Donutz

Lol, that's fucked up. If I want to walk in with a hammer and sickle flag that is up to me not? Now if I start waving it around to disrupt the order that would be an other thing (but the same would apply if I'd wave a flag around but it being the national flag instead, I'm still disrupting order)...

It's not so much about maintaining "order" as it is over the dominant social standings of the people in the town. Texas doesn't have a law per say forbidding the red flag. As far as I know, only Oklahoma specifically bans the Red flag (ironically Oklahoma was also the biggest Socialist state in the Union before WW I). So if I was to go into my city hall with the red flag on my shirt or something they could interpret as Communist, Socialist, or Anarchist in nature, they won't hesitate to remove me and the citizens won't care because they see these things as evil. There's probably a law here protecting my right to do that, but why should the government bother recognizing when their people don't seem to care about it? That's the attitude most Southerners have unfortunately.

It's the same with the Russians. Most of this was probably motivated by popular rage, as you can see echoed in this thread with problems against Emos, and thus the government can implement it with no opposition aside from the group they are targeting. And being a minority group who has no significant political force, they can't do much about it.

My point being that it doesn't matter if you are protected by law or banned, it comes down to the social practices at large which dominate this. Technically social liberties were implemented by the US government to protect minorities from the "Tyranny of the Majority", but we've seen that many times, not just in the United States, this isn't true in practice due to populist tendencies.

This is why I can really respect politicians who won't fall prone to populist tendencies, and are far-sighted enough to stick to protecting liberties. Conversely we can see what has happened to nations which have fallen prone to overly populist tendencies and embraced mob rule- Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Fascist Spain, Soviet Union and their puppets, Pinochet, Saddam Hussein, etc etc...

[Warforger]

Originally Posted by MrFancypants

That is actually one of those laws that makes sense, with the head being rather vulnerable, facial skin prone to keep ever-lasting scars in case of injury and the limited protection a bike can offer you in case of an accident.

I didn't say it was outrageous, I just said that its just one of those inconvenient laws (well for me) that aren't enforced properly, I mean whose going to enforce them after all? Why would you pull a kid over for not wearing a hlemet when you can catch a speeder?

[Admiral Donutz]

Originally Posted by Commissar MercZ

It's not so much about maintaining "order" as it is over the dominant social standings of the people in the town. Texas doesn't have a law per say forbidding the red flag. As far as I know, only Oklahoma specifically bans the Red flag (ironically Oklahoma was also the biggest Socialist state in the Union before WW I). So if I was to go into my city hall with the red flag on my shirt or something they could interpret as Communist, Socialist, or Anarchist in nature, they won't hesitate to remove me and the citizens won't care because they see these things as evil. There's probably a law here protecting my right to do that, but why should the government bother recognizing when their people don't seem to care about it? That's the attitude most Southerners have unfortunately.

It's the same with the Russians. Most of this was probably motivated by popular rage, as you can see echoed in this thread with problems against Emos, and thus the government can implement it with no opposition aside from the group they are targeting. And being a minority group who has no significant political force, they can't do much about it..

And it sucks. It takes away the liberties of many an innocent, harmless person. If your case for exampe, if you dress like a commie doesn't have to mean you are one. And even if you are one, it doesn't mean you are somehow "bad" or "evil" or will inflict harm upon your fellow man (besides casting your vote during elections, with the oppresion of the majority etc.)

People can walk around my townhouse or down my street in any outfit, from overly nationalistic to something totally gay (literraly) or from "american/capitalistic" to "commie". I don't give a shit till they start shouting stuff that either annoys or offends me.

It's a liberty I grant to others and I would like to be granted to me. So I feel sorry for those who put these dresscodes in place.

My point being that it doesn't matter if you are protected by law or banned, it comes down to the social practices at large which dominate this. Technically social liberties were implemented by the US government to protect minorities from the "Tyranny of the Majority", but we've seen that many times, not just in the United States, this isn't true in practice due to populist tendencies.

Aye, certain things might be more or less socially acceptable then others (I'd get a lot more negative feedback if I'd walk around in a german WW2 army uniform let alone a waffen SS uniform then when I'd walk around as a "commie" soldier or historic Dutch tunic), but to me that doesn't mean we should ban things that are socially less acceptable. If those things seem to get out of hand (ea: I also start shouting "sieg heil" and goose stepping up and down the street while ranting some stuff about how we should sent all immigrants/jews/whatever to concetration camps some current laws should be sufficient enough to remove me from the street (creating disorder, racism etc. would apply to me in this case).

This is why I can really respect politicians who won't fall prone to populist tendencies, and are far-sighted enough to stick to protecting liberties. Conversely we can see what has happened to nations which have fallen prone to overly populist tendencies and embraced mob rule- Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Fascist Spain, Soviet Union and their puppets, Pinochet, Saddam Hussein, etc etc..

I agree. Though many people don't really see those same people as populist but as "voicing our thoughts at last". Though some are populist and don't deny it. One party here, run by Mrs. Verdonk, actively campaigns that people should tell her their thoughts and views so she can draw up a party program. If you ask me it can't get more silly, somebody proudly "selling herself out" (who says she won't betray my views and my support for her next week since "popular opinion" on a topic has changed?? ugh).

[Videoslave]

Its understandable they make self harm illegal but to ban a style that is popular just becuase it assicoated with cutting will convince more kids dress dark and cut themselfs to go above the law.

Since so many people are into cutting this should be a good reason the goverments tax pot becuase it scares people away from cutting and such.

I think they should make the style more of a cross between hippies & rockstars.

[Von Mudra]

Wait wait wait.

So I'm banned in Russia?


....That's actually kinda cool<__<

[Commissar MercZ]

Yes, you're not wanted in the libraries or parliament. Not that you would want to go into the shit hole that is the Russian Duma.

[Videoslave]

Well I have a teleporter coming your way.

[AlDaja]

better let the UN know about this...gonna be like Jonestown all over again.