Change...what change? Its more of the same as expected. Obama and his admin has done more to shit on the constitution and amass the largest debt than all the other presidents combined(that will double after 5 yrs and triple after 10 ala your grand kids might...might be able to pay all this off by the time they die....maybe). What Bush has done is NOTHING compared to what Obama and crew have already done and will be doing. Especially since Obama is clueless on pretty much everything. (President)Pelosi is the one that is actually running the show. Government "transparency" was just another predictable liberal lie. Obama was supposed to sign Pelosi's "anti-stimulus" on TV. Want to know why he instead do so alone behind closed doors? Because he didn't want his supporters to see the ambarrassed look on his face. Gibbs, Geithner, Napolitano...there postitions are jokes...or oxymorons if you prefer. With the way things are happening now, like the whole gov totally ignoring the constitution(...making like it doesn't even exist, doing all of these illegal activites(against the constitution), screw socialism, screw communism, they're serving up fascism with a smile!), there is no doubt that Obama is in the last few years of his presidency. He sure as hell wont be back for 2012. Oh, and heres something else. Fact: The CIA can't have operations in America and the FBI can't have operations outside the US. So, tell me this...why the hell is the FBI in Africa and the middle east? Shouldn't the CIA be there?
Obama is just screwing things up worse which was totally expected yet people still voted him in even though he didn't have much experience in office. Everyone just said "Oh my! He promises us CHANGE". Well enjoy your change...
I've been waiting to tell all of the people that voted for Obama "I TOLD YOU SO!". This comes pretty close but not quite there yet...
opposed to what? Mccain? That day you say such a thing I will laugh heartily.
If he was in office we would have no government anymore. It would have collapsed already from the weight of whatever money we had left poured into the military industrial complex instead of places where it's needed. (I'm not talking about bailouts either. I think those are dumb ideas as well.) He's an idiot almost as bad as Bush is/was.
While I don't agree with Obama on this issue, I'd still rather have him than a GWB II.
Obama's reversal on the stem cell research ban is still one positive note in his hat. At least he's not dragging his religious views into government policy.. where it was specifically stated it would NEVER belong.
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I agree on stem cell, and even on opening up with Cuba, if only so that when Castro and Raul die, we have a better stance to try and help the Cubans.
Otherwise, I don't think we'd have a total collapse of Government under McCain, any less then the conservatives who thought Obama would do the same. Both were bad candidates, and one had to one, and it turned out to be Obama. He'll be a one termer, mark my words. We survived Carter, we can survive this.
opposed to what? Mccain? That day you say such a thing I will laugh heartily.
I agree that McCain wasn't exactly a good choice.
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If he was in office we would have no government anymore. It would have collapsed already from the weight of whatever money we had left poured into the military industrial complex instead of places where it's needed. (I'm not talking about bailouts either. I think those are dumb ideas as well.) He's an idiot almost as bad as Bush is/was.
There isn't any proof of this, now, is there? I doubt the last of the coffers would be poured into trying to one-up the PLA.
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While I don't agree with Obama on this issue, I'd still rather have him than a GWB II.
Bush was a democrat with a big R next to his name. So, in essence, you want somebody even farther left than the last failure?
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Obama's reversal on the stem cell research ban is still one positive note in his hat. At least he's not dragging his religious views into government policy.. where it was specifically stated it would NEVER belong.
I won't even try to discuss the belief issue.
Now we can waste money on something that has yet to show any promise whatsoever!
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Otherwise, I don't think we'd have a total collapse of Government under McCain, any less then the conservatives who thought Obama would do the same. Both were bad candidates, and one had to one, and it turned out to be Obama. He'll be a one termer, mark my words. We survived Carter, we can survive this.
Unless something horrible happens and our beloved government seizes power in the name of our protection.
At first before Obama got in i thought he would be a good man to lead american, Over the past few months i have been shown how wrong i was to think that
Bush was a democrat with a big R next to his name. So, in essence, you want somebody even farther left than the last failure?
Seeing as Bush is right winged and Obama is too (though a bit closer to the centre) it would be rather refreshing to see a left winged person like Kuchinich as president. If only...
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I won't even try to discuss the belief issue.
Now we can waste money on something that has yet to show any promise whatsoever!
Wait, are you saying stamcell research has no potential what so ever? Or that because you think it has no potential (never mind the tons of scientist that wil disagree with you) it's not worth allowing scientist to explore this field of science to see what potentials are there?
That makes a lot of sense... let's ban clean energy research and silly militairy gadgets research while we are at it.
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Seeing as Bush is right winged and Obama is too (though a bit closer to the centre) it would be rather refreshing to see a left winged person like Kuchinich as president. If only...
Personal, I think a left winged person in power would end very baddly. From what i know the left has a very bad track record around the world.
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