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Penguin_Unit February 22nd, 2009 08:09 AM

Boy, 11, shoots father's girlfriend
 
Pa. boy, 11, accused of killing dad's girlfriend

Outrageous.

He knew full well what he was doing. It doesn't take an adult to understand that shooting somebody in the back of a head is a bad idea and will get you thrown into a tiny cell for a long time.

Why should he not be charged as an adult.

NiteStryker February 22nd, 2009 09:11 AM

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:lol:

The kid SAID he was gonna do it. Maybe the stupid family should have taken it as a warning sign. No kid says hes gonna cap you in the back of the head.

And he goes to school afterward, thats hilarious.

Yea try him as an adult and give him death by firing squad is my call, im talking a 5 minute trial tomorrow then take him outside and kill the bastard, but this is funny as hell. :rofl:

Jeff February 22nd, 2009 09:18 AM

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He just caused far more then a death. I feel sorry for the daughter who now has to grow up through the hardest times of a childs life without a father figure to help (teenage years), and the wife that has no husband to be with to help raise her child.

He already threw away his life. Why kill him? That's the easy way out. Keep him in prison for a few decades then release him with no skills beyond that of an 11 year old and have him _remember_ why his crappy life is the way it is.

Crazy Wolf February 22nd, 2009 09:26 AM

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Uh, I'm pretty sure 11 is considered way too young to be tried as an adult anywhere (except maybe Texas). It's fucked up, but I think most psychologists would argue that an 11-year-old isn't as mentally capable as an adult, and so can't be held as guilty the same way.

Joe Bonham February 22nd, 2009 10:54 AM

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He already threw away his life. Why kill him? That's the easy way out. Keep him in prison for a few decades then release him with no skills beyond that of an 11 year old and have him _remember_ why his crappy life is the way it is.
All you're doing is creating another criminal and releasing him back into the population. Not a great idea.

Penguin_Unit February 22nd, 2009 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Wolf (Post 4813673)
Uh, I'm pretty sure 11 is considered way too young to be tried as an adult anywhere (except maybe Texas). It's fucked up, but I think most psychologists would argue that an 11-year-old isn't as mentally capable as an adult, and so can't be held as guilty the same way.

He had the mental capacity to pick up and gun and kill somebody.

Most 11 year olds aren't mature enough to pull that off.

Crazy Wolf February 22nd, 2009 01:11 PM

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"Mental capacity"? It's a shotgun, it's pretty simple. You load it, point it at the thing you don't like, and pull the trigger. Children in Africa have been doing it for decades.

Mephistopheles February 22nd, 2009 01:42 PM

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A 20-gauge shotgun as a Christmas present for the kid. Great idea, dad!

Young teenagers are known for their well-balanced brain chemistry. Therefore, let this boy freely play with his new toy at home. Now go fuck and impregnate a woman that is not his mother and see what happens.

A fucked up kid in a fucked up family. I hope the father will not get away with this.


Joe Bonham February 22nd, 2009 01:56 PM

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Why is people's first reaction always to blame the dad?

I remember when that Yates woman drowned her four children. My local newspaper was flooded with letters demanded that the FATHER be imprisoned for life. WTF?

Mephistopheles February 22nd, 2009 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bohemund (Post 4813983)
Why is people's first reaction always to blame the dad?

I remember when that Yates woman drowned her four children. My local newspaper was flooded with letters demanded that the FATHER be imprisoned for life. WTF?

He is to be blamed for giving his kid access to the shotgun, simple as that. Of course, the kid isn't innocent, too.

Joe Bonham February 22nd, 2009 02:22 PM

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Since when is that a crime?

Ipse February 22nd, 2009 02:32 PM

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Since the parants are supposed to be responsabile for the childern.

Inyri Forge February 22nd, 2009 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bohemund (Post 4814011)
Since when is that a crime?

How is that relevant?

Adrian Ţepeş February 22nd, 2009 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Inyri Forge (Post 4814019)
How is that relevant?

It's not, but the kid should get at least 15-20 years in prison without parole.

Inyri Forge February 22nd, 2009 02:55 PM

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He should be put in juvenile detention until his 18th birthday which is how the system is supposed to work.

Joe Bonham February 22nd, 2009 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Inyri Forge (Post 4814019)
How is that relevant?

Meph was saying the FATHER should be imprisoned as well. Which I think is a terrible idea, as it'll just screw up the daughter's life as well - not to mention his life. Lose your fiancee, then go to jail for it. Great deal.

Inyri Forge February 22nd, 2009 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bohemund (Post 4814058)
Meph was saying the FATHER should be imprisoned as well. Which I think is a terrible idea, as it'll just screw up the daughter's life as well - not to mention his life. Lose your fiancee, then go to jail for it. Great deal.

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Originally Posted by Mephistopheles (Post 4813991)
He is to be blamed for giving his kid access to the shotgun, simple as that. Of course, the kid isn't innocent, too.

Where did Mephistopheles suggest the father should be imprisoned? I only see him suggesting the father has to shoulder some of the blame for the shooting.

Joe Bonham February 22nd, 2009 03:30 PM

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I hope the father will not get away with this.
Yeah, doesn't specifically say imprisoned, but what else would he mean? A fine? A stern warning?

NiteStryker February 22nd, 2009 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Inyri Forge (Post 4814053)
He should be put in juvenile detention until his 18th birthday which is how the system is supposed to work.

No he should be shot in the back of the head with a shotgun. If he lives, good on him.

Why lock him up? Then he gets out and may do it again, he obviously has a history of this sort of thing.

I think whoever got him the shotgun should share some responsibility. If it was the father than at least lock him up for a bit, but the father was not an active participant.

Its stupid to blame the father for this. It is the kids fault.

Penguin_Unit February 22nd, 2009 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Wolf (Post 4813922)
"Mental capacity"? It's a shotgun, it's pretty simple. You load it, point it at the thing you don't like, and pull the trigger. Children in Africa have been doing it for decades.

Most eleven year olds don't posess murderous instinct unless they're specifically taught, as is the case with your flawed African example. Do you think they just picked up AK-47s one day and decided to shoot random people?

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Originally Posted by computernerd (Post 4814048)
It's not, but the kid should get at least 15-20 years in prison without parole.

Better: Leave him there for life. He knew exactly what he was doing and presumably by his age knew "right" and "wrong". Therefore, he deserves a permanent residence in a hollow concrete block.

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Originally Posted by Inyri Forge (Post 4814053)
He should be put in juvenile detention until his 18th birthday which is how the system is supposed to work.

Let him kill a person, throw him away for seven years, then let him out with a slap on the wrist? Do you have any idea what those people tend to do when they get let out after a previous murder? They usually kill somebody else.

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 4814105)
No he should be shot in the back of the head with a shotgun. If he lives, good on him.

[sarcasm]

But that's inhumane! He's just a kid who didn't know it was wrong to blow off his father's girlfriend's head while she was asleep!

[/sarcasm]

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Why lock him up? Then he gets out and may do it again, he obviously has a history of this sort of thing.
That.

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Its stupid to blame the father for this. It is the kids fault.
Like I said, he obviously knew what he was doing.

Jeffro February 22nd, 2009 04:19 PM

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Why wasn't the shotgun locked up properly? Simple question that has yet to be answered...

Crazy Wolf February 22nd, 2009 04:48 PM

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Wait, first you say they're "specifically taught" stuff like that, but his dad was the one who got him the shotgun. Isn't it likely his dad was also the one who "specifically taught" him that stuff(you think people need to be taught, I disagree, but I'm trying to follow your argument)?

Dude, he's eleven.

Joe Bonham February 22nd, 2009 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffro (Post 4814161)
Why wasn't the shotgun locked up properly? Simple question that has yet to be answered...

It's a farmhouse in a rural area. May not have been locked up at all.

It hardly matters though. In a pre-meditated murder like that, a choice of a weapon is a pretty trivial matter. Should all the knives been locked up as well?

As for being "taught" to kill, I don't think so. Some people have a born nature to be killers. Sure, maybe he was brought up poorly - but a lot of people have lousy childhoods, yet they aren't all killers.

NiteStryker February 22nd, 2009 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffro (Post 4814161)
Why wasn't the shotgun locked up properly? Simple question that has yet to be answered...

Because it was his weapon. :lookaround: He prolly unlocked it.

I think the father should have had a hand in the storage of the weapon, like he should have the key type thing.

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Jordan Brown, of Wampum, who was charged Saturday with using his own 20-gauge shotgun to kill 26-year-old Kenzie Marie Houk.

I would criticize an 11 year old owning a shotgun but its a farm area and I know kids are given weapons in those regions for sport or whatever. Which I dont think is cool, BTW.

WiseBobo February 22nd, 2009 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffro (Post 4814161)
Why wasn't the shotgun locked up properly? Simple question that has yet to be answered...

Wouldn't matter. A kid that fucked up would find a way to do it anyways.

Anson992 February 22nd, 2009 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Inyri Forge (Post 4814053)
He should be put in juvenile detention until his 18th birthday which is how the system is supposed to work.

This is EXACTLY what I was going to say. Let him rot in juvy until he's considered old enough. Then they keep him in there for some years, and then n0e's idea sounds pretty fair. :D

NiteStryker March 1st, 2009 07:36 AM

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Kids dont "rot" in juvy. All accounts I have heard said juvy is just a long camp stay.


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