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Inyri Forge January 13th, 2009 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 4768034)
I had her declawed on all four paws and neutered.

Declawing is inhumane. Is regular nail clipping really such a hassle that you had to resort to chopping the poor cat's fingers off? They don't hurt much when they're blunt.

Mitch Connor January 13th, 2009 07:57 PM

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People dont have to do that for their own CHILDREN to see if they would be fit handlers / owners of their children.

And you can be the best pet owner in the world, when that dog snaps and follows instinct and gets just out of your grasp, it goes and does damage. Go ahead and try and stop a pit from attacking. If you are even successful, you wont come out of it unscathed.

This animal has no good reason to be domesticated. There are plenty of other dogs out there that are more stable. You should not have a pet that has a statistical record of being violent that you could not snatch up by the scruff of the neck and throw it across the room if it growled at your month old daughter.

I have cats. My parents have 5 and when I moved out, I got a 6 month old from a shelter. I had her declawed on all four paws and neutered. She cannot replicate and she cannot hurt me other than playful biting at the most. If she bits hard she gets swated. (Mental conditioning...she bits too hard she gets pain back)

But she is over 2 years old now and a tiny cat. She will not be any bigger. I have total control over her.
Comparing humans to animals in the sense of laws is completely different because you can actually communication with a human verbally (unless they are deaf).

Junk angel January 13th, 2009 09:55 PM

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And you can be the best pet owner in the world, when that dog snaps and follows instinct and gets just out of your grasp, it goes and does damage. Go ahead and try and stop a pit from attacking. If you are even successful, you wont come out of it unscathed.
Actually combat dog breeds do not attack humans any more often than other dog breeds.
They merely have the physical assets to actually do the most damage as they were bred for they stamina and damage dealing capabilities.

The most common attacker is actually your lowly dachshund.
The problem with combat breeds is, that they attack problematic breeders.
Most people would not get one, because they are labeled as combat. And very often those that do, do their best to bring the dog's agression forward.

You need to manage the breeders first, dogs second.

Also why the hell did you have you cat declawed?

Mitch Connor January 13th, 2009 10:01 PM

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The most common attacker is actually your lowly dachshund.
Tell me about it, one of those little guys bit me in the ass. I don't know how it managed to jump high enough to reach my ass but it did. I definitely did not expect it.

Crazy Wolf January 13th, 2009 10:55 PM

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Seriously, what's the problem with mandatory sterilization of certain dogs that have a higher risk factor? It'd be killing two birds with one stone, helping to reduce the stray dog population and reducing the amount of (severe) dog bite incidents. It's a hell of a lot easier to see and enforce than any sort of "breed certification", you just check to see if anything's danglin' and clip 'em off.


Yes, that only applies to one sex, but I'm still not quite sure how strict this board is on descriptions of female dog's genitalia, and I'm not really sure how much more descriptive I really want to be.

Tas January 14th, 2009 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Inyri Forge (Post 4768037)
Declawing is inhumane. Is regular nail clipping really such a hassle that you had to resort to chopping the poor cat's fingers off? They don't hurt much when they're blunt.

I agree with this. Not that i clip the nails of my cat, i just don't see the point. There's a scratching post, she leaves the couch alone. She's not likely to attack and when she does you can always see it coming. There are kids around the house but them nails just teach them pets are not to be fucked around with. That is, if you can't be assed to be enough of a parent to teach them that in the first place.

NiteStryker January 14th, 2009 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Inyri Forge (Post 4768037)
Declawing is inhumane.

So is neutering inhumane?

Funny thing is my cat was found as a stray when she was 3 weeks old. She was going to be put down, so me and my wife took her. She has been the best cat ever. We can play and do whatever to her and she wont hurt us.

Declawing is not inhumane. It is bad for cats to be outdoor anyways, espically if they have been indoors for a long time. There is no need for claws then since my cat is indoor. My cat does not destroy furniture and can do whatever she wants. She doesnt even know she has no claws.

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Originally Posted by Inyri
Is regular nail clipping really such a hassle that you had to resort to chopping the poor cat's fingers off?

Have you ever had a cat? You try holding a cat when it doesnt want to be held, let alone hold its paw and clip a claw. If you slip and you hurt them, you hurt them more over the course of their life than a one shot one kill deal of a declaw procedure.
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Originally Posted by Inyri
Is regular nail clipping really such a hassle that you had to resort to chopping the poor cat's fingers off?

She still has her fingers she just doesnt have the nails in between.

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Originally Posted by Ronald_Jesch (Post 4768081)
Comparing humans to animals in the sense of laws is completely different because you can actually communication with a human verbally (unless they are deaf).

But talking about eligeability to care for another creature, human or animal, crosses species lines.

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Originally Posted by wraithcat (Post 4768227)
Actually combat dog breeds do not attack humans any more often than other dog breeds.
They merely have the physical assets to actually do the most damage as they were bred for they stamina and damage dealing capabilities.

I would beg to differ based on pure stastics. You hear and can prolly find WAY more instances of pit attacks than a lowly weiner dog.

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Also why the hell did you have you cat declawed?

What the hell does an inside cat need with claws? Other than to destroy the furniture she loves to play with?

Inyri Forge January 14th, 2009 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 4769498)
So is neutering inhumane?

Is a hysterectomy?

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Declawing is not inhumane. It is bad for cats to be outdoor anyways, espically if they have been indoors for a long time. There is no need for claws then since my cat is indoor. My cat does not destroy furniture and can do whatever she wants. She doesnt even know she has no claws.
It is inhumane, and declawing has nothing to do with indoor/outdoor cats. None of my cats destroy furniture because we taught them not to and gave them sufficient alternatives.

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Have you ever had a cat?
I have six, all with claws.
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You try holding a cat when it doesnt want to be held, let alone hold its paw and clip a claw.
Don't pick them up when they don't want to be held. :) I also clip the nails of all six cats. It's very doable, even for the ones that don't like it. Chopping their fingers off because you don't want to do it is really not a good motivation.
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If you slip and you hurt them, you hurt them more over the course of their life than a one shot one kill deal of a declaw procedure.
Don't slip when you're holding them. :)

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She still has her fingers she just doesnt have the nails in between.
Do you actually understand how declawing works? They don't just remove the claws. Please read up on it, something you should have done before deciding to mutilate your pets.

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What the hell does an inside cat need with claws? Other than to destroy the furniture she loves to play with?
What do you need your fingers nails for? Let's rip them out. That doesn't hurt, right? Have you ever accidentally ripped a nail off? Now take into consideration that a cat's nail is part of its bone, not a separate nail. Let's saw one of your bones in half.

It's unnecessary and cruel.

NiteStryker January 14th, 2009 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Inyri Forge (Post 4769499)
Is a hysterectomy?

You didnt answer my question. You could stretch it to be "is any medical procedure humane".

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Originally Posted by Inyri Forge (Post 4769499)
It is inhumane, and declawing has nothing to do with indoor/outdoor cats. None of my cats destroy furniture because we taught them not to and gave them sufficient alternatives.

So you still feed their urge for destruction instead of eliminating their ability to do it?

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Originally Posted by Inyri Forge (Post 4769499)
I have six, all with claws.Don't pick them up when they don't want to be held. :) I also clip the nails of all six cats. It's very doable, even for the ones that don't like it. Chopping their fingers off because you don't want to do it is really not a good motivation.Don't slip when you're holding them. :)

Easier said than done. Some cats wont mind it, others will struggle till their last breath.

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Do you actually understand how declawing works? They don't just remove the claws. Please read up on it, something you should have done before deciding to mutilate your pets.

Ripping off an arm is mutiliation. Taking out a claw is not. And she was getting neutered in the same operation so life sucked for a week as she wore a lamp shade to prevent the neutering stitches from bring messed with and she was on meds. Im sure she doesnt even remember it.

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Originally Posted by Inyri Forge (Post 4769499)
What do you need your fingers nails for? Let's rip them out. That doesn't hurt, right? Have you ever accidentally ripped a nail off? Now take into consideration that a cat's nail is part of its bone, not a separate nail. Let's saw one of your bones in half.

I dont oppose the idea of my nails being removed, dont have to clip them then. And if I got vikes afterward for a week? Hell yea. I'd be fine with it.

Cept that the nail is used also as a form of protection on a sensitive part of the body. Human nails are not needed for any "defense". My cat lives a warm comfortable life inside and can act unrestrained without me worrying about her destroying my furniture. She doesnt have any complaints.

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It's unnecessary and cruel.

Well if it wasnt for me she would have been euthanised at 6 weeks old. So she doesnt seem to think so.

Inyri Forge January 14th, 2009 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NiteStryker (Post 4769521)
You didnt answer my question. You could stretch it to be "is any medical procedure humane".

I think I did answer your question.

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So you still feed their urge for destruction instead of eliminating their ability to do it?
They're sharpening their nails, not destroying things for the sake of it. In nature they would do this on trees, for instance.

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Easier said than done. Some cats wont mind it, others will struggle till their last breath.
I have some of both. They're just cats; you can control them long enough to clip 20 nails.

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Ripping off an arm is mutiliation. Taking out a claw is not.
I think chopping a bone in half when it isn't remotely necessary is both mutilation and inhumane.

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I dont oppose the idea of my nails being removed, dont have to clip them then. And if I got vikes afterward for a week? Hell yea. I'd be fine with it.
You'd object the first time you had an itch you couldn't scratch.

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Cept that the nail is used also as a form of protection on a sensitive part of the body. Human nails are not needed for any "defense". My cat lives a warm comfortable life inside and can act unrestrained without me worrying about her destroying my furniture. She doesnt have any complaints.
She told you that, did she? ;)

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Well if it wasnt for me she would have been euthanised at 6 weeks old. So she doesnt seem to think so.
Your cat had no idea she would be euthanized. It's a non-point as far as the cat is concerned.


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