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I don't think it is right (or natural for that matter) but I wouldn't call it mutilation. That implies that they just hacked off the tip of the cat's toes, when really it's more precise than that. They sedate the cats when they operate on them so it's not really mutilation on the operating half of the spectrum.

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Lol, wot? Sorry Ms, you've got backache I'm afraid we're going to have to execute you :rofl:

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You could certainly argue that declawing is an act that degrades the function of the cat's body (they can no longer scratch, and are missing a piece of each of their fingers). Amputation is listed as a form of mutilation, and we do that under anesthetic too for very good reasons. It doesn't mean the patient isn't mutilated, it just means they weren't mutilated with vile intent. Although frankly the convenience of keeping your furniture intact doesn't seem nearly a strong enough case for severing a cat's fingertip through the bone.

I do agree he went a little far with that one. =p

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I believe my sentence was longer than that. Either way declawing is an illegal form of animal cruelty and as such not something to joke about.

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The rest of your sentence did not concern me, Admiral. =p

• It's not illegal in America where NiteStryker happens to live.
• It's also animal cruelty to eat meat and cut animals junk off. But I don't hear you crying about those things.
• I found it funny.

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Eating meat is painful for the... eatee... but it's not really cruel. It's the natural order of things. Deballing dogs is not an ideal situation, but it's a necessity to avoid having little baby dogs running around everywhere (domesticated dogs being forced to survive in the wild seems more cruel than cutting their junk off while under anesthesia). Declawing, though, is completely unnecessary. I don't believe in putting animals through clearly unnecessary procedures.

And yes, you do hear people crying about eating meat. I think there's a vegetarian thread around here somewhere. =p

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True, but it is here, where I happen to live. =p

I actually prefer my meat dead and cooked and as Inyri already told you there is a purpose with neutering pets.

Mkay. Cookies?

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You don't think raising animals in prisons, artificially altering their social structure and diets, and then killing them is cruel? If I went around doing that to humans I'd be locked away.

There's a purpose to declawing too. It's more convinient to the human. Just as with neutering.

Plz.

Everything is the natural order of things. We're natural creatures living in natural enviroments. In any case we don't generally look to nature for examples of what's right and wrong.

Or you could, you know, just stop them fucking.

Unnecessary for what? Necessary and unnecessary are terms that only makes sense when put in relationship to something.

I thought that was just an elaborate piss take. :(

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Yes, because that works for humans, too. ;)

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I imagine there is a purpose to declawing as well.

But why exactly is it illegal in some countries? Isn't it possible to perform this operation while the cat is sedated?

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I kept telling my parents we should have my sister neutered but they wouldn't listen =p

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It's cruel in our opinion, but cow's are so stupid they hardly ever know what's going on. And we also altered their behavior, so they really aren't anywhere near like wild animals any more. What else can you do with a domesticated Holstein than eat it (or if it's a heifer milk it)?

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I could ask much the same question of any domesticated animal.

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Each domesticated animals serves a purpose otherwise we wouldn't have bothered to domesticate them. Cat's are used for two reasons, hunting mice and companionship. Dogs are used about the same way, only instead of mice, they take care of larger pests.

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Seriously does nobody else here think declawing a cat is something like cheating?

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Mutilation seems to be a subject people can be really OK with if it benefits them. Circumcision, while not as popular in Europe, still remains quite common worldwide. Castration of animals is considered A-OK, whether it is to curb unwanted cat or dog populations or to increase beef production (bulls don't always get along with each other, so the cheapest way to take care of the problem is to lop off the bull's balls, normally without anaesthesia, if I recall correctly). Until recently, docking of dog's tails and ears was pretty standard among show dogs (is it still?). Birds routinely have their wings clipped so they can't fly away. Why is declawing different? At least with declawing they have the courtesy of sedation.


I have only owned one cat, she kept all of her claws, and we trimmed them regularly. Declawing isn't something I would like to do, but I can understand why it is done.

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It's not. Ear cropping and tail docking make me sick. They're even worse than declawing. >.>