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Mitch Connor January 15th, 2009 09:13 AM

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As a piece of advice, keep quiet about your crime (although declawing actually for some weird sadistic reason seems to be legal in the US), people who mutilate defenseless animals are not popular.
I don't think it is right (or natural for that matter) but I wouldn't call it mutilation. That implies that they just hacked off the tip of the cat's toes, when really it's more precise than that. They sedate the cats when they operate on them so it's not really mutilation on the operating half of the spectrum.

Nemmerle January 15th, 2009 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Huffardo (Post 4770118)
Your cat would have been better off dead instead of a life of suffering,

Lol, wot? Sorry Ms, you've got backache I'm afraid we're going to have to execute you :rofl:

Inyri Forge January 15th, 2009 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronald_Jesch (Post 4770133)
I don't think it is right (or natural for that matter) but I wouldn't call it mutilation. That implies that they just hacked off the tip of the cat's toes, when really it's more precise than that. They sedate the cats when they operate on them so it's not really mutilation on the operating half of the spectrum.

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Mutilation or maiming is an act or physical injury that degrades the appearance or function of the (human) body, usually without causing death.
You could certainly argue that declawing is an act that degrades the function of the cat's body (they can no longer scratch, and are missing a piece of each of their fingers). Amputation is listed as a form of mutilation, and we do that under anesthetic too for very good reasons. It doesn't mean the patient isn't mutilated, it just means they weren't mutilated with vile intent. Although frankly the convenience of keeping your furniture intact doesn't seem nearly a strong enough case for severing a cat's fingertip through the bone.

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Lol, wot? Sorry Ms, you've got backache I'm afraid we're going to have to execute you :rofl:
I do agree he went a little far with that one. =p

Huffardo January 15th, 2009 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Nemmerle (Post 4770134)
Lol, wot? Sorry Ms, you've got backache I'm afraid we're going to have to execute you :rofl:

I believe my sentence was longer than that. Either way declawing is an illegal form of animal cruelty and as such not something to joke about.

Nemmerle January 15th, 2009 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Huffardo (Post 4770251)
I believe my sentence was longer than that.

The rest of your sentence did not concern me, Admiral. =p

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Either way declawing is an illegal form of animal cruelty and as such not something to joke about.

  • It's not illegal in America where NiteStryker happens to live.
  • It's also animal cruelty to eat meat and cut animals junk off. But I don't hear you crying about those things.
  • I found it funny.

Inyri Forge January 15th, 2009 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nemmerle (Post 4770459)
It's also animal cruelty to eat meat and cut animals junk off. But I don't hear you crying about those things.

Eating meat is painful for the... eatee... but it's not really cruel. It's the natural order of things. Deballing dogs is not an ideal situation, but it's a necessity to avoid having little baby dogs running around everywhere (domesticated dogs being forced to survive in the wild seems more cruel than cutting their junk off while under anesthesia). Declawing, though, is completely unnecessary. I don't believe in putting animals through clearly unnecessary procedures.

And yes, you do hear people crying about eating meat. I think there's a vegetarian thread around here somewhere. =p

Huffardo January 15th, 2009 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nemmerle (Post 4770459)
It's not illegal in America where NiteStryker happens to live.

True, but it is here, where I happen to live. =p

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It's also animal cruelty to eat meat and cut animals junk off. But I don't hear you crying about those things.

I actually prefer my meat dead and cooked and as Inyri already told you there is a purpose with neutering pets.

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Originally Posted by Nemmerle (Post 4770459)
I found it funny.

Mkay. Cookies?

Nemmerle January 15th, 2009 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Huffardo (Post 4770575)
I actually prefer my meat dead and cooked and as Inyri already told you there is a purpose with neutering pets.

You don't think raising animals in prisons, artificially altering their social structure and diets, and then killing them is cruel? If I went around doing that to humans I'd be locked away.

There's a purpose to declawing too. It's more convinient to the human. Just as with neutering.

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Originally Posted by Huffardo (Post 4770575)
Mkay. Cookies?

Plz.

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Originally Posted by Inyri Forge (Post 4770470)
Eating meat is painful for the... eatee... but it's not really cruel. It's the natural order of things.

Everything is the natural order of things. We're natural creatures living in natural enviroments. In any case we don't generally look to nature for examples of what's right and wrong.

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Deballing dogs is not an ideal situation, but it's a necessity to avoid having little baby dogs running around everywhere (domesticated dogs being forced to survive in the wild seems more cruel than cutting their junk off while under anesthesia).

Or you could, you know, just stop them fucking.

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Originally Posted by Inyri Forge (Post 4770470)
Declawing, though, is completely unnecessary. I don't believe in putting animals through clearly unnecessary procedures.

Unnecessary for what? Necessary and unnecessary are terms that only makes sense when put in relationship to something.

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Originally Posted by Inyri Forge (Post 4770470)
And yes, you do hear people crying about eating meat. I think there's a vegetarian thread around here somewhere. =p

I thought that was just an elaborate piss take. :(

Inyri Forge January 15th, 2009 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nemmerle (Post 4770598)
Or you could, you know, just stop them fucking.

Yes, because that works for humans, too. ;)

MrFancypants January 15th, 2009 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Huffardo (Post 4770575)
I actually prefer my meat dead and cooked and as Inyri already told you there is a purpose with neutering pets.

I imagine there is a purpose to declawing as well.

But why exactly is it illegal in some countries? Isn't it possible to perform this operation while the cat is sedated?


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