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-DarthMaul- December 27th, 2008 11:13 AM

I Always bring up this same topic
 
well atleast when I used to be active..anyways, CNN, still, hasnt shown us anything about the bombings in Gaza.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Massive Israeli air raids on Gaza

Yet, a rocket fired at israel that landed on top of a roach will usually find this being bombarded by it all over American media. Ah the hypocrasy.

They wont even show the news for the sake of the women or children that died :\ ah well. what a great world we live in. lets see what this new president 'we' voted for will do.

Sad thing is, most people will defend ISraelis, while no one will ever understand what its like to live where, how, and like the Palastenians do.

Tas December 27th, 2008 11:29 AM

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It's all pointless as per usual. Some guys hate Israel and launch a few shells their way. Israel needs to respond "somehow" to appear to be dealing with the situation and bombs some "targets". People get killed, resulting in more guys hating Israel who launch a few shells their way. Israel needs to respond to appear... ad nauseam.

When we get the chance we should dig those two countries up and relocate em to a moon somewhere so we don't have to deal with their combined bullshit.

-DarthMaul- December 27th, 2008 11:32 AM

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I honestly believe both countries arent worth our time, its a big big damned waste. I almost want to say nuke the damn country to get ride of both of them, even though that would be very inhumane atleast it would bring about the inevitable, and theyd all just..die? I dont see Jews and Muslims killing each others in other parts of the world..so ya know.

Nemmerle December 27th, 2008 11:46 AM

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Do as you will be done by and do it first. I don't sympathise with any of them but I don't blame the Israelies for defending themselves.

Octovon December 27th, 2008 11:51 AM

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Again?? Is this how some Palestinians celebrate a few months of relative peace, by provoking Israel into retaliatory air-strikes? Fuck, I've heard enough about these idiots, both sides just like to stir the pot, and whenever it seems to have simmered down, some douche bags decide its a good idea to swing a fist at a hornet's nest.

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. December 27th, 2008 11:56 AM

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Well, if they would just leave Israel alone we wouldn't be having this problem.

Ipse December 27th, 2008 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by S.T.A.L.K.E.R. (Post 4743022)
Well, if they would just leave Israel alone we wouldn't be having this problem.

Would you like it if someone took your land away?



If Israel didn't exist, none of this would be happening

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. December 27th, 2008 12:09 PM

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That land belonged to the Israelite's long before others claimed it.

Aeroflot December 27th, 2008 12:11 PM

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Land doesn't belong to anyone so it doesn't matter who 'owns' it or if Israel exists. The people are so caught up in the aspect of ownership that they don't realize that the lines that make up the political boundaries of Israel don't exist. Neither does this thing called 'Israel' exists. It's all an giant inflamed collective ego. In reality can you tell the difference between one country and another? No, well not unless a fence is there, but pretend fences don't exist. The only way you know you're in a new area is by listening to the people speak their language. Other than that you can walk from Palestine to Israel and wouldn't know it. The grass doesn't magically change and neither do the rocks. People very greatly by region and even town, so the concept of a country is meaningless.

Warborg December 27th, 2008 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Awesome (Post 4743027)
Would you like it if someone took your land away?


I agree, The Israelis have every right to be mad for someone stealing their land... they just want it back

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. December 27th, 2008 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Aeroflot (Post 4743034)
Land doesn't belong to anyone so it doesn't matter who 'owns' it or if Israel exists. The people are so caught up in the aspect of ownership that they don't realize that the lines that make up the political boundaries of Israel don't exist. Neither does this thing called 'Israel' exists. It's all an giant inflamed collective ego. In reality can you tell the difference between one country and another? No, well not unless a fence is there, but pretend fences don't exist. The only way you know you're in a new area is by listening to the people speak their language. Other than that you can walk from Palestine to Israel and wouldn't know it. The grass doesn't magically change and neither do the rocks. People very greatly by region and even town, so the concept of a country is meaningless.

So when I am in New York City and go into China town, since they are speaking a different language the must be their own country. Never knew that :rolleyes:

Just saying that you should ignore borders or the fact that countries exist is not only stupid, it would just lead to even MORE problems that this world has already got

Jeffro December 27th, 2008 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by S.T.A.L.K.E.R. (Post 4743022)
Well, if they would just leave Israel alone we wouldn't be having this problem.

Well, if Israel would just leave Palestine alone we wouldn't be having this problem.

See? It works ambidextrously. ;)

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That land belonged to the Israelite's long before others claimed it.
Lets give America back to the Native Americans then. After all, this land belonged to them long before others claimed it.

How committed to this logic are you?

Serio December 27th, 2008 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffro (Post 4743038)
Well, if Israel would just leave Palestine alone we wouldn't be having this problem.

See? It works ambidextrously. ;)


Lets give America back to the Native Americans then. After all, this land belonged to them long before others claimed it.

How committed to this logic are you?

Not too bad an idea. There's a difference between "conquering" it, like Europe did to the America's, and "loaning" it by allowing the indigenous people to continue living in peace. That's where the Greenlanders were lucky when the Vikings got to Greenland. Loads of space, so no need to commit genocide.

Octovon December 27th, 2008 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by S.T.A.L.K.E.R. (Post 4743032)
That land belonged to the Israelite's long before others claimed it.

I may be mistaken, but didn't they take that land from the Canaanites?

Commissar MercZ December 27th, 2008 06:40 PM

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I don't know Maul. When CNN covered the Lebanon bombings, many of the pro-Jewish lobbies attacked them for being too pro-Arab ironically. I've seen them show pictures and footage of the demolished apartments and people being rushed off to the hospitals, as well as citing figures from the Palestinian government.

The reason why Israel has done this, I believe, is that it is impossible for them to do a ground operation, and would prefer to use airstrikes. Unfortunately, Hamas tends to build their bases in bunkers underground, so civilians will unfortunately get killed. Is this right? No, but Israel has the bigger guns and support here unfortunately :/ I can't see the logic behind using that many tons of ordinance and with that amount of casualties, but Israel shall and always play the victim card.

Historical smut and broader Arab-Israeli conflict

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As to the land ownerships, it's pointless to argue who was there first. The ancient Israelites did set up their kingdom there, but were slowly either lost to the native population (be it through violence or religious conversions) or taken off by their conquerors. None of those people nowadays can logically claim lineage to groups which don't even exist anymore. The ancient Israelites are different, both in appearance and customs, than their farflung descendants. Even by the Crusades, the few Jews who were left were either killed off in the crossfire or taken by the Europeans.

That is, however, over 900 years ago now, and is irrelevant. The reason the Jewish people got this piece of land was not because they had any legitimate claim to it, but was because the Western world was faced with a displaced Jewish population, and efforts from the International Zion Congress as well as sympathy from Western governments.

Many people, be it Jewish or European believed Jews Israel should be given a state of their own. Theodore Herzl (an influential Zionist) and other fellow Jews preferred an Israeli state in the Middle-East. To achieve this, he was even granted an audience with the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire at that time, who outstraight refused to grant his request, fearing instability in the region.

Other solutions were thought of by European policy makers (remember, eugenics and nordicism was popular among many of the social elite at this time) to solve the problems with Jews. Antisemitism was present at about every level of politics and life (Dreyfus trial, the pogroms of Eastern Europe). Some suggested that the nation of Poland be brought back on the map, and a certain portion of it be set aside for the Jewish people (Jewish Pale). Some politicians in the UK even suggested that colonies in Africa could be suitable for a mass Jewish resettlement. I believe even some French and British "thinkers" believed Madagascar would have been an ideal location for them.

When the Ottoman Empire fell, Britain had a plan to slowly relocate Jews to the newly created British Palestinian Mandate. They hoped that this would alleviate issues with Jews in Europe, who were beginning to overflow the ghettos and face increasing scapegoating by politicians.

After WWII, the British still ruled over the Palestine as per the mandate. They agreed to move displaced Jews from the Holocaust to Israel, who bolstered the numbers of their kin who had arrived after WW I. The British did not, however, accurately predict the problems they would have as the amount of Israeli settlers began to disturb the delicate balance they had before by gradually introducing the Jewish population.

The British didn't grant independence to the Israeli state. The Jewish settlers as a result waged an organized war of independence behind the scenes against the British, involving bombings and assassinations, spearheaded by groups like Haganah and their more violent offshoots like Igrun and Lehi. Ironically, if you look at these tactics now, we would refer to them as terrorism rather than an "independence movement" with our current standards.

The British were already having issues elsewhere with their colonies (India had just been created and partitioned), and had set the mandate to end. A Palestinian state would be created, while Jerusalem would be an internationally supervised zone by the UN. The Zion Congress agreed to this, the Arabs however, did not, and encouraged their citizens to go to Palestine and destroy the "Jewish scourge".

Now I don't care whether you think the Jews of Europe and America had any legitimate claim on the land, but you can not logically expect people to walk away with out getting pissed after being evicted from their lands. Many of them might have lived there for generations, and they will harbor harsh feelings towards those who did displace them.

The issue ultimately is that both are at fault. It is stupid to think that one is wholly innocent. Israel at least tries to do some peaceful solutions towards this (they have, at least, tried to get rid of their illegal settlements). Some credit must be given to their democratic processes. Unfortunately, Israel is also dominated by a number of nationalists, who after having their hatred towards Arabs solidified by the numerous wars and underground terrorism campaigns, refuse to even coexist with the Arabs. They spread lies about the nature of Arabs (They're all the same, why don't they just go to Syria or Jordan, etc), Islam, and pull some strings with fellow supporters elsewhere to echoe their views in their respective governments and education systems. This is especially prevalent in America I believe, and that is bolstered by the religious movements here.

Arabs are no more innocent though. For what ever reason, the dominant political thought in Arab countries besides Islamic parties tended to be Pan-Arabism, fostered by Mr. Nasser of Egypt in the 50s and 60s. Pan-Arabism was a belief, which Arab revolutionaries said would involve a gradual secularization of the Arab countries and a unified Arab state. There was also a heavy emphasis on Arab ultra-nationalism, and the ideology itself turned into a sort of "Arab Power" type thing, despising everyone but Arabs as inferior. This ideal encouraged Arabs to work against neighbors like the Turks, Kurds, and Iranians. This also encompassed the Jews, who the Arabs were worried would begin to have numbers to form a majority in Palestine.

Even Nasser had some admiration for Hitler (many well-sourced documents support this), hoping he could do the same thing for Arabs as Hitler had planned to do for Germans. Fascists, Nationalist Populists, what ever you want to call them.

Arabs who followed the Nasser viewpoints tended to eventually dominate the politics of Israel's neighbors, and exploited the plight of Palestinians to further their own agendas and keep them in power. Notice that for all their claims of Arab unity, any attempts at a unified state were short lived. They operated with their own agendas in mind- Egypt and Syria had disagreements over who would "rule" over this new Arab state. Iraq, for instance, attempted to take over Jordan during one of the wars. As a result would always get beaten badly by the better equipped and better led Israeli defense force (who, thanks to President Truman of the USA and his successors, were able to hold their ground).

You had nationalists like Moshe Dayan who furthered the "survivalist" mindset of Israelis by calling attention to their victories against overwhelming numbers. Other nutjobs claimed it to be an act of grace from God approving of Israel's existence.

Palestinians, being charged by their own Arab nationalism as well as the struggle to oust their occupiers, form their groups. Yasser Arafat comes out on top with his PLO, and stages increasingly violent terrorism attacks to bring attention to the Palestinian situation, who were forced from their homes and livelihood to make room for Israeli settlers.

Israel is a much safer place than it was in the 1990s. Anyone who paid attention to the news in those days would get constant reminders of the bombings in Jerusalem and elsewhere. The issue now comes from these groups either killing Israeli soldiers, abducting people, or making fatal strikes using mortars and katyushas.

The problem is, really, is that you still have stubborn people on either end. Israeli nationalists and "patriots", like the now brain-dead Ariel Sharon (who was a nutjob and massacred many civilians in his military career. Karma's a bitch). They keep making themselves look like victims and innocent, keep pushing that they deserve the land as it is "rightfully theirs" as well as the pains they received from the Holocaust. Add to this the violence they receive from Palestinian terrorist groups. Does this, however, justify their over-the-top bombings? It is curious that they can do the same exact things to innocent civilians that the Terrorists do to their citizens, despite the outcries of the UN - there are numerous mandates and resolutions AGAINST Israel, which are relatively pointless as the Americans have always had Israel's back.

Palestinians live in closed cities and refugee camps, and the Israeli government has the right to cut off electricity, food, money, and water when ever they need to on the grounds of flushing out the terrorists. If they need to bomb the hell out of them to do so, so be it. They're a friend of the West, and as such have a free reign to do what ever the hell they wish. The Arab governments manipulate this sentiment to continue forming hatred against the Israeli government.

The thing is in the mindset of all this, there are people who want change. There are Palestinians who won't mind co-existing with Israel. There are Israelis, who even have powerful political blocs, who are working against the more aggressive and nationalist elements in the Israeli government, to foster peace instead of violence. They have had some successes, as we've seen the Israeli government make some moves against the illegal settlements and honor, somewhat, their side of the peace agreements.

However, so as long as the same idiots fill the Israeli and Palestinian leadership, this will keep going. Israel should obviously see that after 40 years, they can't cover their eyes and expect the Arabs to disappear, and the Arabs should see this too. Unfortunately, nationalists foster this feeling of hatred and will stop at nothing to keep it rolling. Considering that it took the Americans nearly 200 years to fully accept Natives (IE: Native cultural programs, no longer a bad thing to claim Native ancestry), this is not going to resolve itself quickly and is being compounded by nationalism and a broader ideological struggle.

Personally, and this is my optimism speaking, I would prefer to two to co-exist rather than giving the land entirely to one or the other. Though others are hellbent that the Palestinians deserve what's coming to them and that Israelis are innocent victims, while the more influential Palestinian organizations want the outstraight destruction of Israel (and this smut is broadcast on their political channels).

Greenvalv December 27th, 2008 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by S.T.A.L.K.E.R. (Post 4743022)
Well, if they would just leave Israel alone we wouldn't be having this problem.

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Originally Posted by Jeffro (Post 4743038)
Well, if Israel would just leave Palestine alone we wouldn't be having this problem.

Well, if Israel would just wipe the Gaza Strip off the face of the Earth, we wouldn't be having this problem.

Ipse December 27th, 2008 07:45 PM

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Well, if Israel would just wipe the Gaza Strip off the face of the Earth, we wouldn't be having this problem.
Same with wiping out Israel.

-DarthMaul- December 27th, 2008 08:11 PM

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holy shit, this is what it all comes down to now.

And they think Obama is going to be different.. hell, Democrats are usually more lenient with the Israeli state than Republican are.

anyways in other news it seems this stuff is going to escalate even more.

Mitch Connor December 27th, 2008 09:52 PM

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Not to sound cruel or anything but the United States isn't going to care so much because who do you think the Israelis are buying their rockets from? There's always someone who profits from a shaken-up situation and as long as there's that there'll always be a war.

Greenvalv December 28th, 2008 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Awesome (Post 4743461)
Same with wiping out Israel.

Well, who's religion is it that says to kill all those who don't believe in it... oh yeah, ISLAM!!

Commissar MercZ December 28th, 2008 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenvalv (Post 4743772)
Well, who's religion is it that says to kill all those who don't believe in it... oh yeah, ISLAM!!

Well, about every religion has something with nonbelievers.

However, that has nothing to do with things here, and that's just the cheap way to get out of things. Bravo, you've reminded me why I despised LMM/DT so much.

I think then it is not worth mentioning that some Palestinians adhere to Christianity instead, and some of whom were active in the "terror" campaigns.

Jeffro December 28th, 2008 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenvalv (Post 4743446)
Well, if Israel would just wipe the Gaza Strip off the face of the Earth, we wouldn't be having this problem.

This man would be proud of that accomplishment.

http://www.channel4.com/more4/media/...in_384x350.jpg

NiteStryker December 28th, 2008 08:42 AM

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I think the US will use Isreal to attack various enemies in the Middle East. The US will publically condemn the attacks, but secretly give handshakes. Isreal dont fuck around,

Commissar MercZ December 28th, 2008 08:49 AM

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That is what the US was doing in the past wars, and they still do it currently. They got their goals achieved as Syria and Egypt are dip-shit poor.

The problem is if Israel gets too belligerent, it would create a very bad situation for Israel as well as America.

I also remind you that America can't rely on those sort of things too long, they thought Iraq would be a cool state to buddy up with in the 1980s when they were at war with Iran, and unfortunately we saw how splendidly that ended up many bodies later.

-DarthMaul- December 28th, 2008 09:37 AM

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Wrong. America doesnt have to ask Israel for shit, nor does it need to use Israel to attack anyone.

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Originally Posted by greenvalv
Well, who's religion is it that says to kill all those who don't believe in it... oh yeah, ISLAM!!

Wow your posts are more and more showing how simple minded and very ignorant you are. kudos!

and thats true, Israel still cant get too out of hands like that. These are the worst attacks in Decades, and it seems they wont stop for a while, this is in conjunction with closed borders, and no aid.

Ipse December 28th, 2008 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenvalv (Post 4743772)
Well, who's religion is it that says to kill all those who don't believe in it... oh yeah, ISLAM!!

No, its basically all super religious freaks. :lol:

And a way to show how arrogant you are.

Mitch Connor December 28th, 2008 11:14 AM

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Wrong. America doesnt have to ask Israel for shit, nor does it need to use Israel to attack anyone.
We don't ask. Secondly, you know how much of a shit-storm there would be if the US attacked any of these countries on their own? That's why they use Israel, it's like how we used the Afghans to fight the Russians in the 80s.
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Well, who's religion is it that says to kill all those who don't believe in it... oh yeah, ISLAM!!
And yes, this is a very ignorant statement, because Christianity also did that with a little thing called the Crusades.

Quetron December 28th, 2008 12:02 PM

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After several months of some rockets shot at Israel, and the last week they shot 400 in one week.
Israel bombed a graduating class of Homeys, in a big way, ha ha ha, too funny.

Now they are cleaning up on ammo and tunnels, all over the place from well planned earlier intelligence, so cool Israel blasts those people (kids) raised to kill.:smokin:

Quetron December 28th, 2008 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenvalv (Post 4743772)
Well, who's religion is it that says to kill all those who don't believe in it... oh yeah, ISLAM!!

That is 100% correct, don't listen to these other posts, if they don't know that by now all it boils down to is they feel and know they are guilty of not believing in a higher being.They just spout stuff off to be in with the hip crowd , a minority crowd, as most 95% of the world believes ina God.

Then to bring up what "Christians" have done in the past is a complete moot argument.

Ipse December 28th, 2008 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Quetron
That is 100% correct, don't listen to these other posts, if they don't know that by now all it boils down to is they feel and know they are guilty of not believing in a higher being.They just spout stuff off to be in with the hip crowd , a minority crowd, as most 95% of the world believes ina God.

Then to bring up what "Christians" have done in the past is a complete moot argument.


I was wondering where Quetron was. And i don't think anyone is to pay attention to his four bars of negi rep and his ludicrous posts no less.

Closed-minded ultra-nationalists and biblehumpers away!

Jeffro December 28th, 2008 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Quetron (Post 4744042)
That is 100% correct, don't listen to these other posts, if they don't know that by now all it boils down to is they feel and know they are guilty of not believing in a higher being.

I'm guilty of feeling sorry for the saps who get wrapped up in their "one-size-fits-all" belief system and follow the religious herd till the grave.

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Then to bring up what "Christians" have done in the past is a complete moot argument.
Yet supposedly Christian Conservatives such as greenvalv ask for millions of people to be purged? Take foot. Insert piehole.

Mitch Connor December 28th, 2008 01:03 PM

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Then to bring up what "Christians" have done in the past is a complete moot argument.
What the hell are you talking about? It's completely relevant, it's the same damn thing. Are you so ignorant as to say that just because it was done by Christian about 600 years ago it doesn't mean anything any more?

Quetron December 28th, 2008 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronald_Jesch (Post 4744088)
What the hell are you talking about? It's completely relevant, it's the same damn thing. Are you so ignorant as to say that just because it was done by Christian about 600 years ago it doesn't mean anything any more?

Yep.

What is relevant is what is NOW.

So what the hell are YOU talikng about?

Mitch Connor December 28th, 2008 02:07 PM

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So with your logic things like the holocaust, the revolutionary war, and the atom bomb are irrelevant.

Ipse December 28th, 2008 02:15 PM

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Of course the Holocaust is irreverent. Its a Christian killing over 6,000,000 Jews! :lol::rofl::lol:

Mitch Connor December 28th, 2008 02:26 PM

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I thought Hitler just believed in the Occult.

Ipse December 28th, 2008 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronald_Jesch (Post 4744189)
I thought Hitler just believed in the Occult.

I thought that was what Christians try to associate Hitler with to distance themselves from him.

Mitch Connor December 28th, 2008 02:53 PM

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I know he believed in Atlantis and that he banned the Orthodox Chruch in Czechoslovakia. That's aboot it.

Afterburner December 28th, 2008 02:59 PM

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I like how it comes down to either Israel has to be wiped off the map or Palestine does. How about the Palestinians and Israelis SHARE the land. The Israelis have lived there for long enough. It is their home, and relocating them would be unethical, but preventing the Palestinians form having a homeland is just as unethical. They need to compromise and share the resources and land.

Greenvalv December 28th, 2008 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by -DarthMaul- (Post 4743933)
Wow your posts are more and more showing how simple minded and very ignorant you are. kudos!

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Originally Posted by Dr. Awesome (Post 4743937)
And a way to show how arrogant you are.

Funny how the only responses I get are idiotic...

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Originally Posted by Ronald_Jesch (Post 4744011)
We don't ask. Secondly, you know how much of a shit-storm there would be if the US attacked any of these countries on their own? That's why they use Israel, it's like how we used the Afghans to fight the Russians in the 80s.
And yes, this is a very ignorant statement, because Christianity also did that with a little thing called the Crusades.

There is a difference... the Bible says to go witness to people not kill them like the Qur'an says to do. The crusades were just a bunch of idiots blindly following a religious leader... the middle east believes in a religion that says to slaughter everyone that doesn't believe in their religion. Anybody remember Tripoli? There's a reason we went over there, there's a reason Thomas Jefferson had a Qur'an in the first place... he was studying up on an enemy. We haven't had much trouble from them until now since the world has gotten more and more politically correct.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Awesome (Post 4744046)
Closed-minded ultra-nationalists and biblehumpers away!

BibleThumpers =p

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Originally Posted by Jeffro (Post 4744075)
Yet supposedly Christian Conservatives such as greenvalv ask for millions of people to be purged? Take foot. Insert piehole.

Hey, they're asking for it... if they can't behave, give em what they deserve.

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Originally Posted by Ronald_Jesch (Post 4744164)
So with your logic things like the holocaust, the revolutionary war, and the atom bomb are irrelevant.

How the heck do these three things have anything to do with one another? The holocaust was a near genocide, the revolutionary war was a fight for freedom and independence, and the atom bomb was built to end WWII with LESS lives lost than if we would have tried to invade the Japanese mainland.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Awesome (Post 4744176)
Of course the Holocaust is irreverent. Its a Christian killing over 6,000,000 Jews! :lol::rofl::lol:

A christian diluted by evolution. Mind you, he was only killing off those he deemed genetically inferior i.e. Jews, blacks, etc.

Ipse December 28th, 2008 03:11 PM

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A christian diluted by evolution. Mind you, he was only killing off those he deemed genetically inferior i.e. Jews, blacks, etc.
And yet Hitler being Half-Jew didn't kill himself along with him.

Mitch Connor December 28th, 2008 03:16 PM

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I like how it comes down to either Israel has to be wiped off the map or Palestine does. How about the Palestinians and Israelis SHARE the land. The Israelis have lived there for long enough. It is their home, and relocating them would be unethical, but preventing the Palestinians form having a homeland is just as unethical. They need to compromise and share the resources and land.
If they were going to compromise they would have done it by now. I'm saying it's a lost cause, eventually one will finish the other off.
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There is a difference... the Bible says to go witness to people not kill them like the Qur'an says to do. The crusades were just a bunch of idiots blindly following a religious leader... the middle east believes in a religion that says to slaughter everyone that doesn't believe in their religion. Anybody remember Tripoli? There's a reason we went over there, there's a reason Thomas Jefferson had a Qur'an in the first place... he was studying up on an enemy. We haven't had much trouble from them until now since the world has gotten more and more politically correct.
What you're not realizing is that is no difference. What you've been seeing are radical Muslims, not true Muslims. And just a question, how many Muslims do you know? And how many have you ever talked to?
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How the heck do these three things have anything to do with one another? The holocaust was a near genocide, the revolutionary war was a fight for freedom and independence, and the atom bomb was built to end WWII with LESS lives lost than if we would have tried to invade the Japanese mainland.
They're all relevant, the Holocaust is why Israel exsists and the neighboring middle eastern countries have been trying to make a genocide against Israel (they're trying to whipe them out). The Revolutionary war is related because Israel's fight is a fight for freedom against oppression. The Atomic Bomb is also relevant because it's one of the things the Israelis fear most, because if a country like Iran obtains a nuke who do you think they'll use it on?

Jeffro December 28th, 2008 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenvalv (Post 4744241)
Funny how the only responses I get are idiotic...

The irony in that statement is staggering.

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The crusades were just a bunch of idiots blindly following a religious leader... the middle east believes in a religion that says to slaughter everyone that doesn't believe in their religion. Anybody remember Tripoli? There's a reason we went over there, there's a reason Thomas Jefferson had a Qur'an in the first place... he was studying up on an enemy. We haven't had much trouble from them until now since the world has gotten more and more politically correct.
You're even more demented than I thought.



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Hey, they're asking for it... if they can't behave, give em what they deserve.
You do realize you're being a hypocritical tool, don't you? Praise Jesus and then bomb them' sand niggras, right? It must suck being a waterheaded doofus. If you have kids and a wife, I feel sorry for them.


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A christian diluted by evolution. Mind you, he was only killing off those he deemed genetically inferior i.e. Jews, blacks, etc.
:rofl:

You never fail to...fail.

Ipse December 28th, 2008 04:22 PM

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Praise Jesus and then bomb them' sand niggras, right?


Greenvalv December 28th, 2008 04:47 PM

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The irony in that statement is staggering.

I know, glorious isn't it?
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You're even more demented than I thought.

I'm demented for stating facts... that's nice... real nice... and when did they merge the Melee with the Pub?

Jeffro December 28th, 2008 04:59 PM

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I'm demented for stating facts... that's nice... real nice... and when did they merge the Melee with the Pub?

No. You're demented for wanting to wipe out Palestine and for constantly licking Israel's arse. It's frightening that you believe Israel has no fault in this conflict, when in fact both sides have blood on their hands.

You're the very thing you preach against (Ex. Ahmedijenad wants to wipe out Isreal, whilst you want to wipe out Palestine). The only difference between you and him is that you have a cross around your neck instead of a crescent moon...

Greenvalv December 28th, 2008 06:15 PM

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No. You're demented for wanting to wipe out Palestine and for constantly licking Israel's arse. It's frightening that you believe Israel has no fault in this conflict, when in fact both sides have blood on their hands.

When did I say that Israel has no fault... please stop assuming.

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You're the very thing you preach against (Ex. Ahmedijenad wants to wipe out Isreal, whilst you want to wipe out Palestine). The only difference between you and him is that you have a cross around your neck instead of a crescent moon...

His reasoning is religion, mine is elimination of zealots that are just going to cause more trouble and loss of life in the long run... there is no way to reason with these people, I know it's barbaric but sometimes one must suck it up and fight fire with fire.

Ipse December 28th, 2008 06:56 PM

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His reasoning is religion, mine is elimination of zealots that are just going to cause more trouble and loss of life in the long run... there is no way to reason with these people, I know it's barbaric but sometimes one must suck it up and fight fire with fire.

Then we should wipe out America, there is alot of zealots there. We should also destroy Israel also, because there are tons of Zionists there. In fact, we should destroy the world! :lol:

Mitch Connor December 28th, 2008 07:25 PM

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When did I say that Israel has no fault... please stop assuming.
That's the thing, you never say anything. So that way you don't have to own up to anything.
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His reasoning is religion, mine is elimination of zealots that are just going to cause more trouble and loss of life in the long run... there is no way to reason with these people, I know it's barbaric but sometimes one must suck it up and fight fire with fire.
Your reasoning is that of a militant and what's the difference between a militant and a zealot? Nothing.
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Then we should wipe out America, there is alot of zealots there. We should also destroy Israel also, because there are tons of Zionists there. In fact, we should destroy the world! http://forums.filefront.com/../images/smilies/lol.gif
Don't be so pessimistic, America is not nearly that far gone. The day America becomes a Zealotist state is the day I join a revolution.

Ipse December 28th, 2008 07:36 PM

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Don't be so pessimistic, America is not nearly that far gone. The day America becomes a Zealotist state is the day I join a revolution.

Who said America was a zealotist state?

I just said that America contains alot of zealots. Which is without a doubt it does.


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