Is music to blame for all the violence in our World?
 

Can the music and lyrics you listen (and love) be to blame for violence in our lives anymore than the video games we play?

Please feel free to include your type of music (audio/video) for everyone to judge.

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Meh.
I think it moreso depends on how easily the person listening to the music or playing the games is influenced.
I for one have been playing m rated games since i was like 8.
and I'm not really violent, I never hit someone unless they hit me first [in self defence]. and as for music, I listen to sorta. rock metalish punkish stuffs, but it hasn't really influenced the way i feel, i find that i choose the music that i listen to based on myself and my person, rather than listening to something and have it end up defining me.
that is all.
(:

Re: Is music to blame for all the violence in our World?
 

No, people are to blame for all the violence in the world. Entertainment helps take that tension of, in reality, lessening the violence in 1st world countries.

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People only listen (read: enjoy) to music that reflects their inner self, so the people are inherently violent.

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Or perhaps, if they listen to violent music, it's to release anger so that they won't end up violent.
Or any music really, if you connect with it, coudl release a variety of emotions.
and that just sounded really weird.
but you know what I mean.

Re: Is music to blame for all the violence in our World?
 

Well yeah, except for your first sentence. If people listen to violent music to release their anger, then aren't they angry in the first place?

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They are, but being angry doesn't mean you're violent,
if you listen to the music to actually calm you, or or to get stuff out,
then you won't be angry anymore.
anger can lead to violence, but, being angry doesn't automatically mean you'll do something violent. especially not right away.
Unless if someone has anger management issues..
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Are you saying me, who could never harm anyone, is violent just because i like hard rock, metal, soft rock, alt rock, hell, even some kinds of rap? I like any music as long as it isn't down, dark toned, or without meaning.

Music is manmade, and just like everything else manmade, it doesn't affect us at all mentally. It's the same with video games and movies. People say the ratings are on the box to warn people against the violence. It's not. They're there to alert people that they have to be prepared for strong content. Not warn them, because why should it?

Hans Zimmer's music inspires me to be creative, while other music makes me actually think faster due to the way it's composed.

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Yay for correct-ness.
highfive.

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Like video games... It causes the retarded or mentally ill people to get violent

The only difference is that games are used as a scapegoat ALOT more then music.

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No, I don't believe there to be any relationship between the two. Much less would I hold music responsible for all of the violence in our world. Music, much like poetry and drawing is an artfrom which has been with us for as long as violence. It is however, nothing but a form of expression - an outlet- music cannot spawn evil unless it is inherently so, in which case is not the creator to blame? WE are responsible for all the mainstream violence in the world, and we are responsible for whatever sources of inspiration that may have been used to instigate more violence.

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With man came violence, so no, I don't believe you can blame all violence on music, but like others said, it can influence violent decisions.

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Metal_pingwin-

I had to read your post over a couple of times before it clicked but you really said it well.

Art form, music, and personal expression has been with us since the beginning as well as violence.

Your answer that “we are responsible for whatever sources of inspiration that may have been used to instigate more violence” is well thought out, ....

But, "could music have been part of that inspiration”?


Serio-

You can’t think of anything (man made) that would effect (man) mentally? That could be a whole other thread….;)

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With man? Don't be naive.

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I doubt the music I listen to would incite people to violence. If you were going to kill someone based off listening to the Well-Tempered Clavier, you should be in a mental institution.

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I'm saying that the music people listen to reflect on the emotions people hold inside deep down, possibly beyond the knowledge of the individual. There is no such thing as a violent genre, just violent songs, unless of course there's some obscure genre out there that specifies in violence. All those genres you listed can be violent, but not necessarily. I believe you misread my post.

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No real connection, violence can be related to other factors in the individuals social structure. Necessarily he would not have to be emotional unstable to start. But events, deviant influence, and other factors could lead to that state of unbalance.

Is just society not taking the responsibility for the environment that it has created for such individuals to come from(Social context). Still that does not take away any responsibility from the individual.

Then again there was Charles Mason and his interpitation of Helter Skelter.

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Music is taboo and shy'd away from In hardline Islam, so, what on earth can they blame for their outbursts?

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Going by that logic, the majority of people are inherently tone deaf as well.

Sexual frustration.

Re: Is music to blame for all the violence in our World?
 

Well plenty of peopel are sexually frustrated, the dont normally go around killing people.

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And people wonder where all my anger comes from :)

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Not everyone who hears heavy metal goes out and starts shanking neds with toothbrushes. Tempting though it is to pin all the evils of the world on music I think it would make much more sense to deal with other, more rational, explanations first. Explanations like poverty, war, hopeless existences, and so on.

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Music can have an negative effects on one's body.

Disharmonic sounds/music - such as Rock music and other - can really screw the mind and body up I read.


As for violence in the world, no that is not caused by humans. That is caused by the humans weakness into agreeing to the devils whispers.

Then again when is violence wrong during war against an enemy? Perhaps when it's not needed...

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I got to here:
Spent a minute laughing myself silly and wrote you off as a crack job who doesn't bother to read the rubbish he's linking.

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:bs:


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K. far(whatever) and the other religious neo-cons don't you folks have a church fundraiser or some shit you need to be attending? Stop spamming us cool people who live in the real world - thanks.

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I did not refer to the possible positive effects.

As for your denial:

MuSICA Research Notes: V IV, I 2, Fall 1997

Or perhaps this if you don't like reading:

Institute for Music & Brain Science

Ask those folks.




And if you had read onwards...

You can always reply with Dr Leigh Riby and George Caldwel research of Rock music boosting brain power, but I'd reply with the audacity of Dr Leigh Riby's research promoting fizzy drinks.

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I listen to rock and techno.

As for the question -

Music is an expression of a person's thoughts and emotions. A violent man will create violent music, a peaceful man will create peaceful music. Music is created by people, not the other way around.

However, we do know it is possible for a person to influence another person. A man who is worshipped as a celebrity by millions of people will probably have an easy time influencing them. A person like this could use words... or music. Music is like words - it expresses thoughts and ideas.

So my final answer: Does music influence people? No. But can it be used as a MEDIUM to transmit an idea, causing change in another person? Yes! Definitely.

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I blame easy listening.

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I blame 'easy listening'.

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Well that's convenient because I wasn't talking about those either.

References nothing to do with the, 'release of neurons.' Perhaps because neurons are these things:

http://www2.cedarcrest.edu/academic/...nus-neuron.gif

And occur in a large computational web which makes up the basic circuitry of your brain.

Also, the person in that paper writes like a retard.

Tells me nothing about the research he's trying to talk about, it's a sentence loaded with almost zero information and some empty platitudes. And there's so much shit like that in there that I have trouble crediting him with any sort of a degree.

Besides which his research doesn't draw a distinction between harmonic/disharmonic music in the first place and can't really be used to support your claim that way. At some points he flirts with relevance but it escapes him with such frequency one is forced to question whether he was even trying to support the same point as yourself. What there is of it tends to support that idea that it's not the nature of the music that causes a certain biological change anyway, but how a person has been conditioned to respond to it.

I'll magically track them down with my mysterious psychic powers in order to extract another sub-par answer. Er, no.

I'd have found more of the same poorly referenced crap which claims that certain doctors have done mysterious research in some unknown year to find a certain thing without giving me the statistics or the year of the study or access to any non-interested third party where I can reference them. With that level of referencing I can put up a website on the internet and claim anything, any qualifications I like, invent any references I like. You want a claim to be taken seriously you have to put something of slightly higher calibre on the table than some poorly written website that doesn't list sources or statistics or procedures. You've provided me with, 'Well this guy *points finger into thin air* said so!' That's not science, that's not even a real argument.

ad hominem (plural ad hominems)

(logical fallacy) A fallacious objection to an argument or factual claim by appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim; an attempt to argue against an opponent's idea by discrediting the opponent himself.

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This is the stupidest passage claiming to be 'science' that I've ever heard. The only place I can find science in that is the last bit about the coagulation of a liquid, which if you know anything about science has nothing to to do with "that nasty rock and roll music!"

Dude, this is the 21st century, not the 1950's. You're about 60 years late.

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Yes:rolleyes:.

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No, music is not to blame for violence in our world.
People are.

Music, films, games, whatever people are going to blame next, is in no way responsible for inspiring violent acts between humans.

I watch many different types of films, listen to various types of music, play different games and genres of games, basicly I have an ecclectic taste in film, music and games.
I've never been left angry, or wanting to commit violence, because of them.

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I believe it's not a scientific as it was probably taken from a paper for a music degree.

IEEE Xplore - Login

Perhaps this adds to it: Media Bombardment Is Linked to Ill Effects During Childhood - washingtonpost.com

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Which means it's probably full of crap and not true.

Just wanted to point out that the first article you linked suggested rock music weakens your muscles, the second one suggests it tenses your muscles, and the third one suggests if you listen to music too much you get fat. So... wait, what's your point?

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The dozens of emo goth teens who spend their days eating nothing and listening to death metal disprove this point particularly well. =p

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About a third of that makes sense. So, I hope you don't mind if I don't take anything from that other than a lesson on how not to write a scientific report.

There are certain reactions which require acoustic energy as an activator. However, the passage doesn't say which proteins, in what liquid, and under which frequencies and energies. But just to let you know, it does happen.

So you're saying that everyone who ever wrote a fugue is just wasting their time after the first minute or so?

Is there any such thing as a 'stopped anapestic beat'?!

Yeah, okay... :rolleyes:

You do realize that a lot of Dr. Seuss is written in anapestic meter, right? Therefore, you are saying that reading "Green eggs and ham" in children causes behavior problems?

I'm pretty sure the plural is 'ad homines', the plural accusative of the third-declension word 'homo'.

:vikki:

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That was the part I believed, but it certainly doesn't support his point in any way.

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Not even close. Pretty sure the Crusaders didn't listen to death metal, or the barbarians listen to rap.

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I dont know if we can directly blame music and video games for human violence, I just think it gives us an outlet. I have never even had so much as a speeding ticket, yet all I listen to is rap and all I play is first person shooters. However, I can make a clear distinction between "this is music / video game" and "this is real life".

Some people cannot make the distinction and are more impressionable so they hear 50 Cent rappin about "4 ni**as strapped in grandpa's cadalliac" (from the song "Whoop yo head boy"), and they think thats how they should be living.

And, to be factual, many black youth listen to this rap and dont see it as just a song, but a way of life and so they imitate it.