Is music to blame for all the violence in our World?

[Nemmerle]

Originally Posted by faro0485

I did not refer to the possible positive effects.

Well that's convenient because I wasn't talking about those either.

Originally Posted by faro0485

[SIZE="1"][COLOR="White"]As for your denial:

MuSICA Research Notes: V IV, I 2, Fall 1997

References nothing to do with the, 'release of neurons.' Perhaps because neurons are these things:



And occur in a large computational web which makes up the basic circuitry of your brain.

Also, the person in that paper writes like a retard.

Thus, Altenmüeller and his colleagues asked two very important questions, in an elegant and incisive way

Tells me nothing about the research he's trying to talk about, it's a sentence loaded with almost zero information and some empty platitudes. And there's so much shit like that in there that I have trouble crediting him with any sort of a degree.

Besides which his research doesn't draw a distinction between harmonic/disharmonic music in the first place and can't really be used to support your claim that way. At some points he flirts with relevance but it escapes him with such frequency one is forced to question whether he was even trying to support the same point as yourself. What there is of it tends to support that idea that it's not the nature of the music that causes a certain biological change anyway, but how a person has been conditioned to respond to it.

Originally Posted by faro0485

Or perhaps this if you don't like reading:

Institute for Music & Brain Science

Ask those folks.

I'll magically track them down with my mysterious psychic powers in order to extract another sub-par answer. Er, no.

Originally Posted by faro0485

And if you had read onwards...

I'd have found more of the same poorly referenced crap which claims that certain doctors have done mysterious research in some unknown year to find a certain thing without giving me the statistics or the year of the study or access to any non-interested third party where I can reference them. With that level of referencing I can put up a website on the internet and claim anything, any qualifications I like, invent any references I like. You want a claim to be taken seriously you have to put something of slightly higher calibre on the table than some poorly written website that doesn't list sources or statistics or procedures. You've provided me with, 'Well this guy *points finger into thin air* said so!' That's not science, that's not even a real argument.

Originally Posted by faro0485

You can always reply with Dr Leigh Riby and George Caldwel research of Rock music boosting brain power, but I'd reply with the audacity of Dr Leigh Riby's research promoting fizzy drinks.

ad hominem (plural ad hominems)

(logical fallacy) A fallacious objection to an argument or factual claim by appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim; an attempt to argue against an opponent's idea by discrediting the opponent himself.

[Inyri Forge]

Originally Posted by faro0485

More than one repetition causes the music to become displeasing, and also causes a person to either enter a state of sub-conscious thinking or a state of anger. Dr. Ballam goes on to say that, "The human mind shuts down after three or four repetitions of a rhythm, or a melody, or a harmonic progression." Furthermore, excessive repetition causes people to release control of their thoughts. Rhythmic repetition is used by people who are trying to push certain ethics in their music.

An Australian physician and psychiatrist, Dr. John Diamond, found a direct link between muscle strength/weakness and music. He discovered that all of the muscles in the entire body go weak when subjected to the "stopped anapestic beat" of music from hard rock musicians...

Dr. Diamond found another effect of the anapestic beat. He called it a "switching" of the brain. Dr. Diamond said this switching occurs when the actual symmetry between both of the cerebral hemispheres is destroyed causing alarm in the body along with lessened work performance, learning and behavior problems in children, and a "general malaise in adults." In addition to harmful, irregular beats in rock music, shrill frequencies prove to also be harmful to the body. ... Dr. Earl W. Flosdorf and Dr. Leslie A. Chambers showed that proteins in a liquid medium were coagulated when subjected to piercing high-pitched sounds

This is the stupidest passage claiming to be 'science' that I've ever heard. The only place I can find science in that is the last bit about the coagulation of a liquid, which if you know anything about science has nothing to to do with "that nasty rock and roll music!"

Dude, this is the 21st century, not the 1950's. You're about 60 years late.

[Darth Taxi]

Originally Posted by Trojan_Ripper

Can the music and lyrics you listen (and love) be to blame for violence in our lives anymore than the video games we play?

Please feel free to include your type of music (audio/video) for everyone to judge.

Yes.

[Fyurii]

No, music is not to blame for violence in our world.
People are.

Music, films, games, whatever people are going to blame next, is in no way responsible for inspiring violent acts between humans.

I watch many different types of films, listen to various types of music, play different games and genres of games, basicly I have an ecclectic taste in film, music and games.
I've never been left angry, or wanting to commit violence, because of them.

[faro0485]

Originally Posted by Inyri Forge

This is the stupidest passage claiming to be 'science' that I've ever heard. The only place I can find science in that is the last bit about the coagulation of a liquid, which if you know anything about science has nothing to to do with "that nasty rock and roll music!"

Dude, this is the 21st century, not the 1950's. You're about 60 years late.

I believe it's not a scientific as it was probably taken from a paper for a music degree.

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Perhaps this adds to it: Media Bombardment Is Linked to Ill Effects During Childhood - washingtonpost.com

[Inyri Forge]

Originally Posted by faro0485

I believe it's not a scientific as it was probably taken from a paper for a music degree.

Which means it's probably full of crap and not true.

Just wanted to point out that the first article you linked suggested rock music weakens your muscles, the second one suggests it tenses your muscles, and the third one suggests if you listen to music too much you get fat. So... wait, what's your point?

[Rogue Nine]

Originally Posted by Inyri Forge

the third one suggests if you listen to music too much you get fat.

The dozens of emo goth teens who spend their days eating nothing and listening to death metal disprove this point particularly well.

[Mr. Pedantic]

I believe it's not a scientific as it was probably taken from a paper for a music degree.

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About a third of that makes sense. So, I hope you don't mind if I don't take anything from that other than a lesson on how not to write a scientific report.

This is the stupidest passage claiming to be 'science' that I've ever heard. The only place I can find science in that is the last bit about the coagulation of a liquid, which if you know anything about science has nothing to to do with "that nasty rock and roll music!"

There are certain reactions which require acoustic energy as an activator. However, the passage doesn't say which proteins, in what liquid, and under which frequencies and energies. But just to let you know, it does happen.

The human mind shuts down after three or four repetitions of a rhythm, or a melody, or a harmonic progression

So you're saying that everyone who ever wrote a fugue is just wasting their time after the first minute or so?

An Australian physician and psychiatrist, Dr. John Diamond, found a direct link between muscle strength/weakness and music. He discovered that all of the muscles in the entire body go weak when subjected to the "stopped anapestic beat" of music from hard rock musicians...

Is there any such thing as a 'stopped anapestic beat'?!

Dr. Diamond found another effect of the anapestic beat. He called it a "switching" of the brain. Dr. Diamond said this switching occurs when the actual symmetry between both of the cerebral hemispheres is destroyed causing alarm in the body along with lessened work performance, learning and behavior problems in children, and a "general malaise in adults." In addition to harmful, irregular beats in rock music, shrill frequencies prove to also be harmful to the body. ... Dr. Earl W. Flosdorf and Dr. Leslie A. Chambers showed that proteins in a liquid medium were coagulated when subjected to piercing high-pitched sounds

Yeah, okay...

You do realize that a lot of Dr. Seuss is written in anapestic meter, right? Therefore, you are saying that reading "Green eggs and ham" in children causes behavior problems?

ad hominem (plural ad hominems)

I'm pretty sure the plural is 'ad homines', the plural accusative of the third-declension word 'homo'.

You can always reply with Dr Leigh Riby and George Caldwel research of Rock music boosting brain power, but I'd reply with the audacity of Dr Leigh Riby's research promoting fizzy drinks.

[Inyri Forge]

There are certain reactions which require acoustic energy as an activator. However, the passage doesn't say which proteins, in what liquid, and under which frequencies and energies. But just to let you know, it does happen.

That was the part I believed, but it certainly doesn't support his point in any way.

[camping!]

Originally Posted by Trojan_Ripper

Can the music and lyrics you listen (and love) be to blame for violence in our lives anymore than the video games we play?

Please feel free to include your type of music (audio/video) for everyone to judge.

Not even close. Pretty sure the Crusaders didn't listen to death metal, or the barbarians listen to rap.