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You make it sound like Canada is the country of the purified healthy freaks who can't die because were invincible.

Our "free" health insurance is a piece of shit. My dad needs surgery on his arm, get this...
1. He has to wait 3-4 years for the free surgery
2. He can pay $70,000 for the surgery, that would be great, but he only has about $25,000 in his bank atm.
3. His doctor said he'd try and bump him up the list, he did, but then he bumped another person, and another person, so now my dad is in an even worse position.
4. Some old 80 year old near death(literally) is getting surgery done in a couple of weeks, why should my dad have to wait so someone whos going to die soon anyways can have hip surgery, when a lot of oldies need that surgery.

Anyways.. the tissues in his arm are deteriating, meaning, pretty soon his arm won't be able to function at all.

So sure, free health care for the world, but like economics, those who have money are more important, and will always become first priority over a man who has to work for a living.

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My my opinion, Private Heathcare and Universal Healthcare both blow. But its either one or the other though.

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I was once like you... then I grew up.

I was also once like you, then I became informed.





Edit: Oh I forgot to add:

Promote against alcohol and such intoxicants.


But we all know that those who want to destroy and control humanity would never ever think of doing that. They'd just ban it to promote it.

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Query me this: isn't most medication created with herbs as well as chemicals?

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Talk about holding a grudge (and holding it against the innocent, you shouldn't keep all of Europe responsible for the acts of the British Empire)? :lol:

Sure, we didn't fight countless wars with the Russians to be Russian either, but if the other has a working concept, why hate it only because you once very long ago were enemies?

That is true, it is difficult to introduce anything new, no matter how great, if the population and more importantly those who hold power, hate it, and often they hate everything new.

Sure, we still have old people who almost never throw anything away in case there is a new war and those who rather eat mouldy food than go to social services, but it doesn't mean you can't offer them a hand, it is their choice if they take it or not.

Anyone with an interest in politics knows that health care takes up most of the municipal budgets, it is neither cheap nor nonexistent just because it is universal and a lot more efficient than your corporate system.

You don't have to go to Soviet levels of nationalizing anyway, as far as I know most countries with universal health care still allow private companies to make and develop medicine and equipment, and in most cases even offer treatment. In the most basic form universal health care can be only nationalized health insurance with the private sector providing everything else, although that isn't necessarily the most efficient way to make sure everyone everywhere has good and equal access to it.

Even if you went for a completely nationalized system with a bang, which makes no sense to me unless you actually implement a completely communistic economy, which I can't see happening there, it doesn't mean people who actually do something useful will become unemployed. Those who do the bullshit fake stuff that only harm people would obviously be kicked to the street and those specialized on unnecessary plastic surgery would probably have to adjust, but I don't see what is so bad with that.

That is probably because you are from the US, I rarely hear of medical breakthroughs coming from over there either, the media prioritizes what they think the readers want to hear, at least our media doesn't normally bother tell about the progress of cures for e.g. AIDS or cancer unless the research is done somewhere close enough for them to visit.

Much of the research here is done by universities instead of private corporations though, so it isn't really done for profit and thus perhaps not what you consider medical advances.

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Oh, I see...so for spina bifida it's keeping the feet clean that's important...

No, but I don't need to to be able to tell you that the flu is a documented disease roughly 14 times older thant the Industrial Revolution.

I have no idea where you got that idea from. So please. Enlighten me.

Of course, pasteurization is a process applicable to a number of different drinks. But that is the product with which it is most associated. And I have no idea what you mean by "poor defenseless substances" (you spelt defenseless wrong, btw). A substance by definition cannot be defenseless, because by definition, to defend itself, said object has to be alive, or at least in some way able to control its environment. A molecule is, by no stretch of the imagination, sentient. And I don't think it can control its environment.

Please, tell me. Why would someone want to work for free?

So that means that by definition cancer simply did not exist before the Industrial Revolution? Sure, you say there were fewer deaths (and I would agree with that), but that is a far cry from the 0 deaths that would result if you were correct.

And you seem to forget, such synthetic/processed foods are vital for our hygiene.

So you would prefer your chocolate to start going mouldy before you opened the packet? You would prefer your pork to smell, literally, like a pile of rotten meat? And that's ignoring bacon, ham, smoked foods, cheese, yoghurt, etc etc, which don't exist without synthetic practises.

I don't know about most, I don't have the numbers. But certainly a lot of medication is made with an organically-derived (as in coming from something organic, not an organic molecule) chemical as a start.

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:cya:

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:confused:

:confused: wtf is the rhino?!

:vikki: See, the difference between 'work' and 'slavery' is that I get paid

I definitely know that if I got a Masters or a PhD in pharmacology or organic chemistry, I would not want my thousands of dollars on tuition, plus my four or five years spent obtaining my qualification, given to people who won't support me for curing them.

Hippocrates made observations and drawings of both malign and benign tumours, which would only have happened if cancer was a common enough problem to be recognized as a medical condition, and not just a sign of the Gods' misfavour.

Egyptian 'doctors' described cauterization of breast tumours around 1600BC, though they said there was no real treatment for the disease.

Throughout the middle ages doctors used simple surgeries to attempt to remove tumours, though these were often unsuccessful due to metastasis anyway, and because the patient usually died from the procedure or complications anyway.

So. Not rare cases, as you assert, but a common problem throughout Western history.

No, I didn't. Those methods are relatively recent. In the past, curing/smoking, making cheese, fermenting bread/wheat/malt/barley etc. were the only real methods of preserving foods. Otherwise your bread would start turning furry before the end of the month, your milk would curdle and become undrinkable, flies would swarm over your meat and render it inedible, etc etc.

And whether or not you, personally, consume pork is irrelevant.

You can't taste the difference anyway.

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Hopefully you do not consume humans.

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I said, most disease can be cured by good sanitation, and natural nutrition including remedies.

Sanitation is more than just washing hands... you also have to wash your feet.

Avoiding synthetic methods of mass production will help. And if they light has blinded your eyes, then maybe you should practice clicking within your mouth.

Most disease can be cured by good sanitation? I think not. Once you've got a disease sanitisation to the outside of the body will help only in an incredibly small number of cases.

As for prevention the standards of sanitisation most people live in these days are excessive and quite frankly counter productive already.

Use scroogle if you do not like google: Black cumin seed oil and search away.

Thymoquinone has shown promise as a prevenatitive and as a recovery aid after chemo, it's by no means a cure for cancer.

How interesting, you wish for slavery over humanity?

You wish the same in making them teach their kids. The question isn't whether they should be enslaved, you both want that, the question is what you're going to enslave them to do.

Sorry, I'm sure I didn't say milk. Pasteurization is used on many poor defenceless substances.

Sorry my sympathy only extends to things that are me.

But I wasn't just refering to hospitals, I was refering to pharma and biochem industries etc.

Of course they're for profit industries. Why on earth would I sink twenty years and billions of dollars into a thing if it was never going to yield a result for me?

How interesting, I note that back in the 1800's there were many less deaths from cancer.

Hardly surprising since only a tiny portion of the population had access to modern diagnostic equipment or a competent doctor back then which would assign them a cancer diagnosis.

Besides which cancer results from the degredation of cells during their reproductive stage. We now have more people living longer, hence more cancer.