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Diseases and such can be solved simply by better sanitation and organic nutritional practices/promotion.

Oh, I see! So spina bifida can be cured simply by washing your hands and eating free-range eggs! I've seen the light!

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Once you remove synthetics consumption/pollution, you'll remove almost all disease faced by modern communities. And let me restate it again, nutrition and sanitation prevent illnesses.

I'm pretty sure the flu was around long before the Industrial Revolution. And there are diseases that are air-borne. It's hardly practical to give everyone a hazchem suit and expect them to wear it every second of their lives, is it?

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You want a cure for cancer? Easy, black cumin seed oil.

...pardon?

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You want a productive society? Get rid of the out of home school system. And get back to the natural form of home schooling and avoid that pop boob tube for lemmings.

And then you have around half your workforce, by necessity, staying at home every single day to teach their children.

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You want to have a happy marriage, easy, remove that junk and refined/processed/pasteurized products from your diet.

Are you saying that milk is bad for relationships?

First I have to lol at Master Chief's response. I suggest ignoring him.

That said, I am against Universal healthcare because I don't generally enjoy theft, no matter how established and regulated it is, and that is what the taxation for healthcare is.

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I would change healthcare by removing the profiteering factions that over rule it.

There are many hospitals that are non-profit. The hospital system around me is dominated by UPMC (University of Pittsburgh Medical Center). They are non-profit, and they are consistently ranked as one of the best hospitals in the world.

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Diseases and such can be solved simply by better sanitation and organic nutritional practices/promotion.

That was the case back in the mid 1800's. You can't stop cancer simply by washing your hands and eating a good diet.

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From there on, natural/herbal remedies for ailments and illnesses exist with a far better success rate than synthetic "remedies".

Herbal remedies have not been scientifically proven to work in treating diseases. Many of these "cures" have been refuted by scientific studies.

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Once you remove synthetics consumption/pollution, you'll remove almost all disease faced by modern communities. And let me restate it again, nutrition and sanitation prevent illnesses.

Many of these synthetic compounds have allowed civilization to get to the point that it is at today.

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You want a cure for cancer? Easy, black cumin seed oil.

I want a link to university level study.

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You want to have a happy marriage, easy, remove that junk and refined/processed/pasteurized products from your diet.

I will agree with you that junk food and over processed products are not the best thing for you. However pasteurization has saved countless lives from harmful bacteria.

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You want a productive society? Get rid of the out of home school system. And get back to the natural form of home schooling and avoid that pop boob tube for lemmings.

Public schools have a very important role in the social development of children. When you raise kids sheltered from society and other kids they have a hard time becoming social when they need to be social.

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It's unfortunate, that the people are being drugged up and turned into cattle. But with going back to basics, you may end up with some powerful OCP type company doing a metal gear solid 4 on your country, but at least you tried.

I see your concern over some the food additives and over-medication. At this time the alternative to what we have right now is much worse.

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You want to have a happy marriage, easy, remove that junk and refined/processed/pasteurized products from your diet.

Because that's fucking easy.

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Originally Posted by Master Chief 14 (Post 4726789)

I like the idea of universal health care in the United States, the problem is though our general health is not that great due to our poor diets consisting of fast foods and such. This can lead to cancers and diseases in which surgeries and treatments are needed which can cost a large sum of money. America needs to cut down on the fast food and exercise so the health care costs in the future can be reduced; even with a reduced military budget universal health care wouldn't be very affordable.

My second point on the reason it wouldn't be a good idea is the amount of illegal immigrants in the country. Would universal health care cover them? If that was the case, we'd see a much larger deficit in the economy, as they already receive a mass amount of government benefits, and can't pay as much back to offset it.

So if we improved on those 2 previous points, we still have another flaw in the idea, and that's the lack of organ donors. We have a lack of organ donors on our current system right now, and with more people having healthcare, how will people get those transplants they need when 1,000 other people need it or 10,000? Then again with the advances in medical technology, this might be a smaller concern as we find news way to treat people, but still a concern never the less.

I'm all for better health care than the crappy system we have now, but when we look at reality and how money works, would the system be able to sustain it?

Works fine for the majority of the European countries, so why wouldn't it work for the US?

Because of the same lobbying and other backroom trade crap that destroyed the privatised healthcare system in that country perhaps.

Trust me, you guys want it, Canada has had it since the 60's i think it is, and we have a 2 tiered system, One with non elective surgeries, which is basically, you dont have to pay, gov't pays, all you do is go in for the surgery and then recovery, and Elective Surgeries, where you can choose to have it, and you pay for it, and recovery.

Worked quite well, in most provinces.

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Works fine for the majority of the European countries, so why wouldn't it work for the US?

People tend to forget that the US is not Europe. The US did not fight 2 wars( war of 1812, US Revolutionary War) with European countries to be just like Europe.

Just because something works in Europe does not mean that it will work in the US. On the political spectrum the US is the only right leaning first world country. There are also noticeable differences in culture and lifestyle. When you take these factors into account a good idea in Europe is not a good idea for the US.

In the US with the older generations there is a perceived need for them to provide for themselves and their family regardless of cost or hardship. Many of these people were born into poverty and managed to work their way out of poverty and live successful lives. These are the people who wanted jobs, not handouts during the great depression.

Europeans also don't seem to realize how large a role the health care industry plays in the US economy. There are thousands of companies offering medical services, insurance, equipment, and supplies. The local economy where I live is dominated by the medical industry. Nationalizing the health care industry as a whole would result in a loss of thousands of jobs. Where I live nationalizing the health care industry would have the same effect as the closing the steel mills in the 70's.

The heath care industry in the US also invests heavily into developing new drugs and treatments methods. The vast majority of medical advances I hear and read about come from the US. I rarely hear of medical breakthrough coming from Europe.

What I mean is is that if someone is on life support or something and the choice to pull the plug is an option, I would pull it. I don't support keeping alive genetically mutated babies and stuff like that. I mean, sure, it is alright to keep a grandfather alive if he is like 80. Basically, I don't see the point in wasting energy to keep someone alive who will never return the debt. Call me a psychopath, commie, whatever the hell you want, but I sort of support devolution in terms of technology, with a civilization somewhat like the Romans or something. AND i do realise that they were bad at times, but so are we.

With all the money we've wasted on this cluster fuck war and the bailouts, we could have had a very good universal Healthcare system
In my opinion, if a doctor is only being a doctor for the pay, then they have no business being a doctor.