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I'm not voting for Barrack Obama just because hes a democrat, I'm not voting for Obama because I believe his views to be radical and rediculous. While Mccain is more of a "Moderate Conservative" I do not agree with him on some of his policies and tactics, but prefer him over Barrack Obama.

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Fair play, good to see people choosing candidates based on (what they believe to be the best) policy rather than party alliance :)

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If there was a Democratic canidate better then a Republican one I would have no problem voting for him

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I'm not entirely sure what that has to do with anything, nor why tape would be involved.

God created this universe out of nothing, God created this planet out of nothing, and God created every living creature on this planet out of nothing. I don't exactly understand how God accomplished these physically impossible feats, but then, God works in mysterious ways, and He can do whatever he wants because he's omnipotent somehow. What's to stop Him using that same power to write a series of commandments and stories and stuff?

John McCain stands for what I believe in, and I hate the Democrats. I want him to be elected as the president of the United States of America, as his wisdom and his policies will benefit the entire world, but more importantly it will keep the Democrats out of the Oval Office because I hate them for some reason. If I were to go around criticising him, that would reduce his chances of being elected into power - why would I do that? I need people to believe he is perfect in every way so that I can get my personal views represented in American government, whether the rest of the people believe the same or not. People, on the other hand, don't need a balanced view of either of the candidates, they just need to vote for who is Right. Or rather, who I believe is Right. Which is fact, of course.

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Plus Rep for that. I agree with most of it except the hatred towards Democrats. Most of the time I dislike them and disagree with them, however like I said before, if there was a good canidate and he was better then the Repubican one, then I would vote for him.

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why people are stupid... hmm...

well i personally think its because they were stupid as children. i mean you learn a lot of things and they stick well when your young. so probably no one told these kids about respecting others opinions or free thinking.

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Well, would you suggest super glue?


You're right. The giant concrete slab he wrote them down on must have eroded over the course of time. But you better not question his infinite love or he will cast you down to the bowels of hell.

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Something to think on:

Think to yourself how stupid the average person is, then realize this: Half of them are dumber than that.


A note on the bible. Debate its historical accuracy all you want, but please realize that the versions of the bible you read today are incomplete. Emperor Constantine chose the books to be included in the modern bible, and he left out many writings that could have been included. The Gnostic Gospels and the Dead Sea Scrolls illuminate some of the omissions, and they are staggering omissions, if you simply open your mind and read them.

No book written by men, edited by men, and compiled by men can be perfect.

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The problem is we are naturally not objective people, and when we see someone with a different view point we often exagerate our own to counter theirs. Rather than say "yeah McCain is a war-mongering, planet destroying nutter which I like, but I think he might be too old", people say "McCains the man to take us into world war three, and his age doesn't matter, it just means he has experience."

When we look at something we often see the merits and the flaws, when we talk about that same thing to something else (and we support that thing) we forget about the flaws.

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I ask you one question, "Do you listen to Rush Limbaugh almost religiously?"

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I listen to Rush Limbaugh but he goes overboard sometimes. I myself have made my own decision. Don't think that the conservative media runs our lives.

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But I would hardly consider Obama a radical. What does he propose that's a whole lot different than anything else we see in this day and age?

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OK, I got a question: Why does eveyone here on the forums keep saying that society is full of sheep? How is it that magicaly people who join FFF, are now suddenly aware that society is full of sheep? Just curious...

Mabey FFF is full of sheep....

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Televangelists exist. Religious fundamentalism exists. Hannah Montana exists. American Gladiators exists. Fox news/CNN/MSNBC exists. The War on Drugs exists.

Need I go on?

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We are different to everybody else because we joined up to a forum with 200,000 other people. So far as flocks go, that's a pretty small one you know!

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Don't know why the you people are here, I come here to spam and maybe talk seriously

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Hey look at that guy someone died his fuzz red!

Oh wait. It's only n0e.

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Dont really see how that follows people being sheep but...

I just figure that either there is no 'sheep' in society, or everyone is sheep in society. Hey, everyone follows something. Rather is be big or small. FFF is a sheep forum. School is a sheep huble. Relgion is a sheep huble. Atheism is a sheep huble. And so on and so on and so on...

But hey, that's my outlook.

Also with the people being stupid part, everyone is stupid. Why? We all do stupid stuff in life, rather it be big or small. You could do one big thing, or a bunch of small things that can be stupid. But also that's my opinion...

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Everyone is a sheep of something, it's just in levels. Even "nonconformists" are sheep because they usually copy other "nonconformists" so they are probably the biggest hypocrites of them all.

We're not that much different so don't put us on a pedestal. The only difference is that we came here to discuss things and learn things (that's not to say that people outside the forum don't). We just came together to get a better understanding of what's going and what we can change of the past.

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I am myself is 13- years old,but let me assure you that the bible yes it is true that not god wrote to his fellowmates or fuck cares . He told some christian people now back 2000-4000 years to wrote in the bible ,each by each, and then scientists just found the stuff and start putting everything in one book,really Jeffro how can you be so damn fucked up? Just stop being so damn ego with others that believe in bible and are truly christians,but there are people who say they believe in jesus ,but they will not even give Jesus 1 dollar,so those people are fucked up just like you!!!
Who agree with me?

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What proof is there from 3rd party sources that corroborate the miracles in the bible?

He is not messed up in any way, he is just very cynical.

Yes there are some Christians who try to live their lives like Jesus. For the most part though many people who consider themselves to be Christian are hypocrites.

I would watch with stating your age on here. Pub veterans like Jeffro and I love to rip up kids your age.

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Please discuss religion in the religious discussion thread.

As for stupiditiy: If your blood starts boiling because of ignorance of other people you are only in for an early death. Human stupidity is infinite so while trying to change it may be noble it is ultimately futile. It is even more futile to try to change it aggressively as that will always result in instinctive resistance.
Better adopt a positive outlook. Think about all the potential in even the worst of men that only needs a clever speaker to be turned into the direction that you regard, at the moment, as the right one.

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The Bible is written stories and a collection of Gods messages, It is the link to the Lord God!

God revealed himself to mankind as Jesus Christ, the event people always yearn for "why wont god show himself? etc" and was put to death by mankind for it, The lesson is simple!

Peace and mercy for all, acceptance for even those we disagree with<it is not the job of Christians to judge, that is for God to judge and it is certaintly not our place to hate, for hatred might jeperdize our chance of heaven.

The world is not perfect, no human is perfect, but we must try our best.

Peace be with you Jeffro, but you must learn to not get so upset by the actions of others, i too am learning this valueable lesson daily.

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And there is nothing wrong with this? You follow the christian doctrine out of fear?

For this reason, I am utterly disgusted with the church, and the sheep who follow it's lead.

I don't know. Seeing as the OP brings up religion as one of it's main points, I think it's perfectly valid that we discuss it in context to the issue at hand.

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Its not just out of fear, its also the way one feels, I look at history, something that interests me and fascinates me, but the only parts of history that truly make me happy is things like the Christmas truce of the first world war, the story of Ernest Gordon who showed forgivness and compassion to his Japanese captors.

One act of kindness is far more powerful than 1000 acts of aggression.

Loving Jesus and admiring the goodness of humanity is what makes me feel happy, its took a while to realise this myself, but only those events and events like them, make me feel truly happy inside.

They are victories above any nations winning wars through decisive battles.

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But it's not just because of the way you feel either is it?
The fear factor plays a part in your choice right?

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Well it obvious that i do not want to go to hell!

To be honest my the love of Christ plays a far bigger part, i mean, Christ died for our sins, Mankind killed him, not realising that his message was given to save them!, in this modern world, that message seems more apparent than ever!

All this selfishness, greed, suffering, showing no mercy, Christ was crucified to save all from that!

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Religion itself should be left to the individual or the church itself.

Not getting involved in government and other matters that would cause a rift between other religions or nations.
I think religion is starting to have too big of a role in todays world.

Once it starts to getting into door knocking conversation about how Jesus loves me, it gets annoying.

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History is made on the battlefield, that's all there is. No nation has become a major power through anything other than military action at some point in time. Look at all the major players today, Russia (revolution, both world wars), United States (started by a war, both world wars, etc.), Britain (13 years war, 100 years war, etc.), and the list goes on.

Anywho, I think throwing religion in this discuss is just going to cause a road to bickering, so let's drop it.

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It's role in the world has shrunk significantly throughout history. People trying to convert you is nothing compared to torturing you if you don't. :uhm:

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Me + Religion = Propaganda

I thought we are supposed to keep religion in the right thread.

Its alot more annoying though

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Well yes, but there is a difference between discussing religion itself and religon as it related to world affairs or speaking of it in general terms. After all, you can't talk about the Middle-East without talking about religion, for example. My understanding is the religious thread is for arguing about rather or not God exists and other such religious bits and pieces, so the earlier discussion of the Bible might be better placed there.

People asking if they can have a moment of your time to talk about Jesus is more annoying then someone lashing you or burning you alive?

And, you know, this whole thing about people being sheep is ridiculous. People mistake being sheep for cultural cohesion. Religion is a facet of cultural cohesion. People developed religion partly as a way to explain the unexplained, but also partly as a way to foster a culture among a given people. Same thing with many beliefs. It's not a matter of one person dictating to others how to act, but rather a group of people collectively deciding how to act, and if you are born into that culture you will be brought up to act that way as well.

Just because culture is dead in the west doesn't mean people are sheep for trying to create one. Culture is what seperates us from the rest of the animal kingdom, people should take pride in it, not cast it out. If you see something distinctly wrong with a culture than try to change it, but don't throw away the whole thing out of frustration.

I agree with people that say that they love him,because you dont really have to believe in him,but if you not,in which god will you believe? If you dont believe in any of them (THERE IS ONLY ONE AND FOREVER WILL BE ONE) you will burn in hell,and still by not believing you just think,we born live and we die,it is true but if you believe then you have 99% of winning this one opportunity to go in heaven and imagine and create your dream house and the only thing for that to happen is to believe in GOD! if you dont then still you lose. So God makes me feel happy inside.Totally,and by the way,why do you say to post this on a RELIGION DISCUSSION an stuff because you starter.. and it is good, here : I AM UTTERLY DISGUSTED WITH THE CHURCH,AND THE SHEEP WHO FOLOW IT S LEAD,if that is what you say then you already start loving him,you just called him sheep,he is also called : MESSIAH,GODS SHEEP OR SOMETHING....So if you dont believe nobody asks you to but you may take the chance,or will you risk this chance for nothing?

And by the way people,Jeffro doesnt believe in god so lets just forget about him and his way to life it is all about blood ,bad blood comes out,everything is with the parents,if they were Christian,so the daughters and son,but ofcourse god gives us a free will,Will you stand with Satan ,or not? That is for Jeffro to decide bytheway nobody cares about your life,at least not us if you dont love god then bye bye,i just say it is your chance,if you read the bible you will find all the answers ,proof : :deal: ,one day,this is a amazing miracle of myself! : One day I went to school,a normal day,I just forgot to learn the answers of the test ,and yet I just keept thinking of the answers,I couldnt make it ! So I prayed : God,please help me trough this Test,I really wanna win,I cannot lose now...because I tried so hard ,all my results went 9/10,I wanna make this time a 10/10,and after the test,I saw the results ,I just sayed : Oh my dear sweet lord!!! 10/10 ,everyone else got 7-/10.And if you want to believe it or not!,I didnt really mean to say : (YOu ARE SO DAMN FUCKED UP AND STUFF...) It is just because it was night,and I was looadsss tired..Now I prayed,and ask for forgiveness,now it is maybe your turn,because my friend,it never is too late,Well yes I mean after god comes on earth :)! :bows: For JESUS&GOD! Bye I gotta :sleep:!

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Really? Because he/she/it makes me feel miserable whenever I think about him/her/it.

Prepare for the onslaught

Opps, another post

This is not a true statement

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*Mod senses tingle*
What is with all the double posting?

In today's world you cannot say the bible has all the answers. The writers never had to deal with technology and the social problems that it brought.

The bible also contradicts its self in several areas. If I looked to the bible for advice on how to deal with gay people I would get 2 answers. I would be told to wait and let God smite them all for their sin, or I would have to treat them like any other person.

That is not necessary true. I was born into a Catholic family and I consider my self to be an atheist.

You are a hypocrite. Jesus gave everyone the same love and respect regardless of their beliefs, social status, or previous sins. The goal of all Christians is live their life the way Jesus lived, and clearly the above quote shows that you are not following that.

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The original poster refers to Christanity specifically, other people who reply also critisize it, however once people try to defend it, everybody suddenly comes out of the woodwork, our replies now mean we're "door knocking", bringing up relgion (erm, replying anyone?)

And starting to have a too big a role?, in the western world where you most proberly live, it gets a lesser role everyday, there is no twisted form of Christianity leading vast crusades anymore, most people who read the bible now realise it says absolutely nothing about burning witches and the like. The way you pipe on, you most proberly think im a fuedel knight.

No thats not all there is, if you think that, you've totally missed the point, its compassionless people, wether under the guise of nationalism, false freedom, religion that lead to wars.

Like the Christmas truce, the event shines far above the battles, if oyu dont understand that, go and grab your rifle and go start fighting some war in the name of whatever.

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God you guys are really ego , I AM JUST SAYING BELIEVE IN GOD OR NOT UR CHOICE !!! END OF!

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Why do people take religion seriously? No really, why do people do that?

All religions have only been created by man's own perception, is it not?
Okay so maybe Christ existed and did good stuff and Buddha became enlightened and became a god because he knew everything but who's to say anything is for sure? These were mortals and mortals only no matter how great. How do we know if anybody is an incarnate of god? How do we know that everybody is not an incarnate of god? There have been others who have been great human beings in their own right and achieved much. You cannot simply deny them. They made a difference for the better as well. And who's to say what actually exists after death? What if hell or heaven is not an actual place but rather a perspective or a viewpoint? Do we not say or feel that we are in heaven when we feel overjoyous and everything seems blissful and oh so warm and fuzzy? Likewise, doesn't "all hell break loose" when there is something catastrophic happening?

Some may acquiesce but one has to try and learn and question otherwise they may be victims of the crimes of religion and may very well become the exact thing that they despise. How many times have we had wars in the name of god, huh? As far as I can remember the only major examples or heard of are the crusades and the so-called "Jehad" the terrorists are fighting right now. But are these not dangerous all the same? Whether or whether not god said to kill is a crime, may or may not make killing a crime but shouldn't you ask yourself what would actually be a crime. Who defines what is a crime? If so many people believe killing is evil then why did the crusades had men kill 'in god's name' and likewise why do the Jehadi terrorists now believe they are doing something for the better by doing exactly the same? To some people killing would be wrong whereas to others killing would be alright as long as it is justified and then there are those that believe killing is supposed to happen as some natural process or some other reason.

So basically, what I am trying to say is any and all religion and thought of a higher being is often undermined by what we see in this mortal world of ours and to actually worship a god is to simply believe in your cause and do what you must. Ever heard of the saying, "Work is worship"? Well that is exactly how our definition of god comes because we believe we were assigned some sort of duty from a higher being and depending on the nature of the duty, that is how our god comes to be what he/she/it is.

So before actually taking anything as a given, I want you to ask yourself, what is the truth and how is it defined? Is there something behind it, some solid reason? (personally I would think your life would lose meaning if you are a religious person and there is no such thing) "Nothing is true. Everything is permitted" (hint hint) It's exactly because of that that everybody's actions are different even if they believe in the same god and this is the reason why our laws must be based on what would make sense to do rather than blindly following some parchment that somebody wrote like some thousand years ago(if you take this as an insult then this is to all the holy books koran, bible, geeta [hindu bible] however it was not my intention to make it an insult).

So like yeah, I know this is BSing everything I said (who knows, something I might have said might not have made sense and that might have BSed it) but um... I'm gonna conclude by saying think and question.

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Ok so;

1 - You have 30 minutes to edit your posts, so if you think of something you would like to add to the discussion directly after posting you edit your post instead of making a new one.
2 - "u" and "ur" are not words. Please use English so we can all understand what you are saying.
3 - There is absolutely no need to call people stupid or otherwise attack them. This is supposed to be a forum for intelligent discussions. Attack the arguements, not the people.

Consider that a warning, if this thread does not improve it will be closed.

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As a favor to all of us, please stop Pal-Kia, you're going to get this thread locked.

What do you guys think about spirituality as opposed to religiousness? For example, I have a friend who considers herself a religious person, despite the fact that she does not follow the christian or any other doctrine. She believes there is something out there, it's watching over her, and it helps her get through the day knowing it.

I have rather mixed feelings about this kind of thing. On one hand, I respect the fact that she acknowledges the nature of the church, and that she does not associate with it for any other reason than tradition. (She lives in Poland, where 99.8% of the population is Catholic.) She celebrates Christmas and Easter, as well as occasionally going to mass on Saturdayss. She says mass puts her in a calm, relaxed, clear state of mind.

On the other hand, I don't like the idea that she would need something like this to make her feel secure. One day when we were talking, she said that she was impressed with my bravery as a nonbeliever, the thought of death being the finality of her existence is too discomforting.

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When I was doing my first post, Pal-Kia only had one himself but posted the second one afterwards.

Your Mod senses were correct (thanks for the help to get me to one post Mrfancypants)

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Actually, I don't know but I think religion is just a derivative of spirituality. Spirituality is belief and religion is those beliefs condensed into a form for all to see and follow as they wish (that didn't sound quite right but yeah). One person could have their own religion which is called "kill everyone one on the planent"-ism just out of a belief that god is watching their actions and wants them to kill everyone on the planet because everyone is an infidel and will help them through this.

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:lock:

One religious thread is enough for this forum. You can continue your discussion here. And if you do please make sure that you don't insult other members with your choice of words (calling all creationists stupid is a no-no since we all know that creationists visit this forum).
http://forums.filefront.com/pub/2375...ml#post4627163

Also, please don't doublepost, use the edit-button or your posts may be deleted my lazy moderators.

If you're new read the rules (especially the one about proper use of English).