So, how is the world luvin the new world leader, Obama

[Quetron]

All I know since all these other countries are bowing to the new messiah, locks in my vote to NOT vote for him.
If they want him , then I know for sure it's bad for America.
100,000 ?
200,000 ? people at his podium in Germany, WTF
They mainly cheered when he mentioned the things we supposedly do so bad. (torture). (immigration) etc etc
When he talked about helping with terrorism, no cherring.

Hell all you counties out there should be sending every damn army guy you have, NADO to Afganastan, only talk at USA but we still have to do the heavy lifting.

[masked_marsoe]

It's good to see you make decisions based on European opinions, if nothing else.

[Dr. Awesome]

Oh My Gosh, Can you please accept the fact that not everyone has the same viewpoint as you, and will NEVER?

As for "loving" Obama, If there is anyone I would vote for, it would be Obama, simply because he is the better choice. McCain is Bush 3rd Term, A vote for him is all of the same, you know with the goverment sponsored war on drugs, the War, the dept. If you don't like Obama, don't vote. Simple As. If not satisfied, move.

[Quetron]

Originally Posted by masked_marsoe

It's good to see you make decisions based on European opinions, if nothing else.

And so will a whole lotta other people.

[Afterburner]

Originally Posted by Edgecution

Oh My Gosh, Can you please accept the fact that not everyone has the same viewpoint as you, and will NEVER?

As for "loving" Obama, If there is anyone I would vote for, it would be Obama, simply because he is the better choice. McCain is Bush 3rd Term, A vote for him is all of the same, you know with the goverment sponsored war on drugs, the War, the dept. If you don't like Obama, don't vote. Simple As. If not satisfied, move.

Or, you could, oh I dunno, maybe vote for someone else? Obama and McCain are not the only choices.

[Dr. Awesome]

I am well aware of that, I was just using McCain as a example

[Killer Kyle]

If Obama wins, I'm waiting for the rapture.

[MrFancypants]

Originally Posted by Quetron

They mainly cheered when he mentioned the things we supposedly do so bad. (torture). (immigration) etc etc
When he talked about helping with terrorism, no cherring.

What a surprise: Germans dislike torture and being send to clean up someone else's mess.

[Pethegreat]

Obama's ideas naturally appeal to most Europeans, so it is no surprise that he has thousands cheering for him. The elected leaders in Europe show that Europe leans more to the left than the US. Obama leans to the left which falls in line with what europeans like.

Obama has been shifting his views on issues more towards the right in recent weeks. The shift to now wanting to take the advice of the generals insted of pulling out of Iraq is the most noticable shift. This is upsetting some democrats, and to me he looks like another John Kerry.

McCain does not look much better, but he has an energy plan that could garner support from some democrats. This november is going to be interesting. Trends show throughout american history that the whitehouse has changed parties during an economic downturn. The republicans are promising something the democrats have yet to match and that the public supports by a large margin.

[Nemmerle]

Originally Posted by Quetron

When he talked about helping with terrorism, no cherring.

Hell all you counties out there should be sending every damn army guy you have, NADO to Afganastan, only talk at USA but we still have to do the heavy lifting.

This war of yours and it's enemy of, 'terrorism,' (as if a military tactic can be an enemy ,) is only a problem for countries who choose to stand with the United States. Why should they send their soldiers to die in a war that gains them neither land nor resources?

[Quetron]

Go read some others opinions,

Enormous Berlin crowd hears Obama - Topix


Most want drilling NOW, he don't.
which is the root cause of this econimic downturn at the moment.

Also Obama makes stuff up.

He won't admit the surge worked, then he says that the thing that changed was the sunni to sunni and shiia to shiia, up and all the sudden started working things out.
HE is full of crap.!!!!!!!!1

what happened was after extra troops arrived (surge) they stayed in the neighborhoods, ALL OVER Iraq.
Once the people seen they wern't leaving, they became less affraid of AQI.

Then after a while the troops gathered up the waring shieks that many have NEVER even seen eachother, or for 10 years and longer.!
Our troops then made "meet and greets" and found common ground between eathother to rid their vilages of these murdering AQI.

Then we moved in with clinics , retook the food from hostage and brought food, built schools, water.Then the shieks layed down the law and some even had to turn in neighbors they knew for years, or friends sons.
Then they started a simple police force, later they created SOI (sons of Iraq).

So Obama is full of crap, it was the surge and American troops and the top generals that formed the peace.
They didn't just meet on their own, Obama is a arrogent peice of work, tellin ya.

Originally Posted by Nemmerle

This war of yours and it's enemy of, 'terrorism,' (as if a military tactic can be an enemy ,) is only a problem for countries who choose to stand with the United States. Why should they send their soldiers to die in a war that gains them neither land nor resources?

If you seen the documentary "Obbsession in their own words" you might know what you don't know.

I guess hitler didn't like us either, by your logic we should have stayed here, right?
you are uniformed, is all i will say.

[Jeffro]

Originally Posted by Afterburner

Obama and McCain are not the only choices.

It's foolish to think that ANY of the other piddly candidates stand a chance. We've been a two-party system for over a century and nothing short of a nuclear war or revolution will change it. That is a fact...jack.

Originally Posted by Killer Kyle

If Obama wins, I'm waiting for the rapture.

Yeah, because being a mediocre president is grounds for a religious doomsday scenario.

Get real.

[Pethegreat]

Can you tell us at least which city/state you're near? Also, did you witness any nationalistic bumper stickers or anti-abortion sentiment?

I am going to say it is not in the western US. I am betting on a southern city, maybe in Texas?

It's foolish to think that ANY of the other piddly candidates stand a chance. We've been a two-party system for over a century and nothing short of a nuclear war or revolution will change it. That is a fact...jack.

Voting for a 3rd party will show that you are dissatisfied with the choices offered by the major parties. It may take a few elections, but if the parties keep giving us crap like the two we have now the 3rd parties will take root and pose a threat to the big two parties.

Edit: I was too slow, but I guessed it right for the region.

I don't usually look for bumperstickers; some Americans (soccer moms driving oversized trucks while talking on the mobile phone) drive rather eratically, so I try to stay away from their cars

My parents rode in some Italian taxis when they were over in Europe. They make our soccer moms look sane.

[Jeffro]

Voting for a 3rd party will show that you are dissatisfied with the choices offered by the major parties. It may take a few elections, but if the parties keep giving us crap like the two we have now the 3rd parties will take root and pose a threat to the big two parties.

Hate to sound like a Debbie downer, but I'll bet a million dollars that doesn't happen over the next 50 years unless something dastardly or drastic happens to this nation.

[Afterburner]

Originally Posted by Jeffro

Hate to sound like a Debbie downer, but I'll bet a million dollars that doesn't happen over the next 50 years unless something dastardly or drastic happens to this nation.

Two things. First, in the long run if people vote for a third party the third party will win. The problem is people are stuck in this mindset that voting for a third party is worthless, and it is when EVERYONE thinks that way. I use to think people didn't know about the third parties, but most people do, they just have all unanimously, silently agreed that the third parties can't win.

Second, despite that, third parties and independents have historically managed to have a huge effect on policy, even though they never win. The reason is, when a third party manages to get a decent number of votes (and they have in the past) they often draw votes away from a main party, and cause them to lose. Libertarians, for example, often take votes away from the Republican party, while Greens tend to removed votes from the democratic party.

In the past they've managed to swing enough votes to cause the other party to lose. And the usual consequence of that is that the main parties change their policies to incorporate at least some of what the third party that took so many votes has proposed.