Who would you vote for?

[masked_marsoe]

Originally Posted by tyrannicida

I thought you were from New Zealand!?

I am, I missed a verb. Ugh, and an apostrophe in "American's". I shouldn't post when I'm in a hurry.

Originally Posted by quetron

You have that link for us to post our tests?

Threads like that roll around every couple of months. I'll let it be for now.

[Emperor Norton I]

Originally Posted by Quetron

And Norton you do have some ok points about it all, you may infering to me about being one of those right wing war mungers.
but look at it this way, those guys who smashed the towers came in un announced, tons of structure, chairs, computers, city stucture, huge TV antanas, world trade-documents, all the human aspects of family and now lung problems.

Just what exactly would sitting back idealising over how you make nice with such a sucker punch from people who glorify death, and mameing people, how exactly will you be diplomatic with such hate while they bomb thier way to heaven.

I'm not talking about idealizing anything involving terrorism. Terrorist can't be dealt with by diplomacy, but we should fight them responsibly, and attempt to ensure that middle eastern youth are not fanaticized into terrorist factions, and to carry out diplomacy with nations that we might feel aggressive toward us, rather than carry out war.

[Dave-Mastor]

Norton, that works for Civilized people; not them. We tried diplomacy, it didn't work. (I'm talking about the nations that are agressive towards us, not the Terrorists.)

You can't be diplomatic with people that have clearly expressed no interest in being diplomatic.

I'm not saying that war was the best option, but Diplomacy isn't going to work with them.

The current status of Iraq is similar to an infected wound. You could leave things be, hope the infection clears up. Or you can clean the wound, greatly increasing your recovery rate. If you leave things be, you'll have to live with the pain for a while, with the chance of the infection getting worse that better; but if you clean the wound, you'll have to deal with more pain for a short time, but reduce the possibility for further complications.

There are of course, several other, un-taken approaches, such as amputation...

[Quetron]

for instance, (I couldn't watch the vid, plus 56k) but when it comes to electing someone who says they will take the troops out of Iraq, infering that USA is the problem, and is so unfair on the part of the media.
And this is the way Iraq will be if we exit too soon.

Yet this side is NEVER shown
FOXNews.com - Purported Al Qaeda Video Shows Prisoners Burned Alive - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News

And none of this anti foxnews crap, I just found it thier, it can easily be found at many other websites .

[Emperor Norton I]

It is not inferring the the US is the problem, it is inferring that it is the Iraqi's duty to take the fight themselves, and that we should no longer be a crutch. The US is a solution, but one that can only do so much. The best we can do in Iraq is stabilize the government to take the struggle on themselves, with us throwing in aid here and there. And diplomacy has usually worked with nations. You don't have a perfect world, but you don't have the dictators launching missiles at you either.

Originally Posted by Dave-Mastor

There are of course, several other, un-taken approaches, such as amputation...

I'll get the nukes.

[Quetron]

Balderdash, nukes are a deturent, now give the nukes to Bin laden, BIG difference.
Yes but Obama and or the far left they want to destabelise it, and the word "occupy" we are not an "occupation" and it is an extremely deviuos wording from the so called peacfull left.We all know it comes from those poor downtrodden palastinians of which Isreal is "occupying" and the MEDIA and the left use that word as if we want to stay, we don't want to stay.

For example about the big "oil" accusation, we could bomb the cities leave for dead.Militarise the oil well section and just steal the oil.Now THAT is what I call bad, and occupy to OWN the land and make slaves of the ones who are still living.

[-DarthMaul-]

Originally Posted by Quetron

We all know it comes from those poor downtrodden palastinians of which Isreal is "occupying" and the MEDIA and the left use that word as if we want to stay, we don't want to stay.

Thats the kind of resentment and respone I would have suspected from a living in a country where the Media always puts Israeli news as breaking news, taking up minutes of footage of palastenians firing rockets, and a man or woman being INJURED, and calling it terrorism....

while on the other side the guys who have just been totally cut offf rom food, water, and electricity, and have had half of the days kills civilians are all summed up as war on terror and collatoral damage. And NOT mentioned, except in a short line at the BOTTOM of the screen ticker.

[homo sine domino]

As the term "terrorist" is used more commonly, I'd like to point out that the label is usually not objective, but determined by authorities.

While I do agree that Bin Laden and other islamic extremists are terrorists, I believe people shouldn't overuse that charged word, because one may generalize and classify anyone who opposes U.S. influence by use of force as terrorists, irregardless of whether civilians or humans at all were hurt or targeted.

Keep in mind that resistance fighters have been classified as terrorists by the governments they opposed as well.

[Quetron]

I don't classify the palastinians as terrorists, however they teach hate, so no matter who as humans is doing all this so called occypying they have no right to bomb thier way out.
They have other means to undermine Isreal, they could have support from other arab nations right now sending food,water and oil, all arabs classify jews as cows or anyone who isn't Islam and cast them away from the side of the road as if they are cows, it is thier right according to them.

so if the jews are so filthy, why hasn't egypt, saudi, jordon all been pitching in to update palstine, why does USA send money, what did the last guy do with all that money, he kept it for himself.

I think the jews have just as much right to be where they are as any arab, and each should have the same acces to jeruselem.
But yes they do keep shooting rockets, and thats too bad because it don't have to be that way.

[homo sine domino]

Originally Posted by Quetron

[The palestinians] teach hate

You're generalizing every palestinian by that statement.

Originally Posted by Quetron

all arabs classify jews as cows or anyone who isn't Islam and cast them away from the side of the road as if they are cows

Right, right.

Originally Posted by Quetron

so if the jews are so filthy, why hasn't egypt, saudi, jordon all been pitching in to update palstine, why does USA send money, what did the last guy do with all that money, he kept it for himself.

Either because they know the U.S. is militarily superior, as well as Israel or they simply use the Palestine issue to generate support to get into office?

And what "guy" are you talking of?