Who would you vote for?

[Kwould]

Originally Posted by masked_marsoe

The head-to-head poll averages show McCain beating Hillary, but losing to Obama.

Which is why it is strange that Fox News (an obviously right leaning news organization) continues to hammer away at Hillary. You would think they would spin her in a better light in order to give McCain a better chance...

[Dave-Mastor]

Oh don't worry, they'll start on Obama soon. If there's one good thing to the nominee being selected so soon, it's that people will have time to pick apart their various problems; that holds true for both parties.

The problem with Obama, is that he's spoken quite a bit about change, yet I haven't heard him say anything other than that he's going to pull the troops out as soon as he gets elected, (which even more than a few Democrats say isn't a good idea) and how good his campaign is going. Most people, indeed even some on this very forum, seem to be supporting Obama simply because he's "fresh and new", and not really because of his stance on any issues. I'd be happy if anyone would care to correct me on this though.

One thing that amuses me: The people in the background of any Democratic speech, are always holding up signs that say "Change" and"Such and so 2008" on them.... change what exactly?

[Quetron]

Originally Posted by Kwould

Which is why it is strange that Fox News (an obviously right leaning news organization) continues to hammer away at Hillary. You would think they would spin her in a better light in order to give McCain a better chance...

That should tell you somthing, why is it so daunting for people to believe that foxnews just don't give a rip about being politicaly correct, no right wing about it.
Man I can't wait till Obama screws up this country soooo bad.The media has unfairely bashed Bush to no end along with the far left, well now they will propagandize the hell out of Obama the same way they led evryone to bash USA and Bash bush, Bash republicans.
The media has systematicaly left out all progress and humanitary FACTS that have occured in Iraq now too, the shame.If anyone wants to bash around USA it would be not reporting ANY good news or ANY progress in Iraq.
But that wouldn't fit the liberals.Example, today, the dems were against accused, and for the sports docter, it's allways the same with dems or the left, the criminal goes free, the good people get bashed.

And it will be so fun to watch the left idealist media squirm and try to cover thier tracks when we either get hammered by a new bomb, or the economy will be trashed.LoL but even then they will say, "if it wasn't for Bush blah blah blah)
They might as well elect Osama bin laden since people seem to love the muslims so damn much.

[-DarthMaul-]

Obama Voters Impact McCain, Too - Yahoo! News

TIME Poll: Clinton More Beatable than Obama - TIME


There was one more link with Puerto Rico's Governor endorsing Obama over clinton(Hispanic votes and Super delegates anyone)

What you dont reazlise dave is that it isnt just us normal stupid americans that are backing up Obama. He is also leading with Super Delegates, and pledged delegates. And super delegates have been in politics for a LOOOONG time. Which says a lot for him to be leading like that.

change what exactly?

well no offense if you dont know WHAT exactly needs change then your way over your head and should go examine this current presidency more thoroughly.

They might as well elect Osama bin laden since people seem to love the muslims so damn much.

people better damn well love muslims.

Sgt. Sameer Rateb
Staff Sgt. Ayman A. Taha
HammerSlogger
Association of Patriotic Arab Americans in the Military

we arent all evil you know, and these are just three links that were the most easiest accesible....

[Quetron]

No, it's not evil or not, but if anyone says anything against them it's like the sun nova.
I heard that the newspaper is running the cartoons again!, they put a death threat on the cartoonist.And they won't put up with that crap, just like me.
They put out a death threat on another lady from the netherlands, she is also not cowtowing to the threats and need a security team to gaurd her, she is a muslim.
Then Obama wants to "talk" to Iran
Is for illegals getting drivers licesne
pull troops out of Iraq immediatly

But oh, Bush acts on 8 years of clinton failure and we all get bashed as being imperial BS and it's for the oil and and and.
Could you imagine if we had hate muslim classes the way they have hate jews classes?
could you imagine not allowing and muslim church the way they don't allow christian churches.
But yet we get all this flak, and Obama ,the media, and other countries actualy think those muslims will stop bombing all in the name of hating imperialism, and I say screw them.

We should be in Iraq for 100 years, I don't feel I am wicked I think USA brings good fortune around the world far more than any other country.
All the while Iran is on the brink of a revolt, china, russia, and now venisuala, I don't see one bit how America is worse than 80% of other class, money greed countries.
And a dem president will break, they will never protect us, all in the name of "change" "hope"

[AlDaja]

Originally Posted by Kwould

Which is why it is strange that Fox News (an obviously right leaning news organization) continues to hammer away at Hillary. You would think they would spin her in a better light in order to give McCain a better chance...

I don't think they like McCain much either.

[Dave-Mastor]

Originally Posted by -DarthMaul-

well no offense if you don't know WHAT exactly needs change then your way over your head and should go examine this current presidency more thoroughly.

It was I joke, I know what the liberals say needs changing. I just find it funny that they always have signs that say "Change" on them, but never what they want changed. Thus, Change what?

I guarantee that "the first four years", most if not all problems will be excused, because they were 'inheriting' from Bush, so it's all his fault; regardless if it's true or not; much like Bill Clinton did with Bush Sr..

By far the worst thing in the Conservatives eyes, that the Democrats can do, is put more Liberal supreme court justices. Many of the Liberal Justices are quite old, and the only reason they haven't retired yet is because there's a Republican president to attempt and nominate more Conservative Justices to fill their places, and they can't have that, so there trying to hold out until a Democratic President gets elected, and then resign, when they're comfortable knowing that they will be replaced by people with similar views. Eight years of a Democratic president, would be nothing compared to the Thirty Plus years that the new Justices will be making the laws for.

I heard that even now, the Left controlled Senate is holding back the replacement nomination of several hundred Court Judges, until they can get a Democratic Leader to place people with views akin to their own. Although I don't have information at hand to confirm this.

Originally Posted by Quetron

...I think USA brings good fortune around the world far more than any other country

This is true in the sense that the United States is almost always the first one in with aid. Like when the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake happened, we were one of the first responders in the crisis. I didn't see any nations rushing to help the United States when Hurricane Katrina happened... not that aid was as necessary and the 2004 earthquake... but I rest my case.

[masked_marsoe]

I just find it funny that they always have signs that say "Change" on them, but never what they want changed. Thus, Change what?

One of the most basic rules of election posters is keep it short, and keep it bold. Listing off policy changes and planned measures is not the role of posters and billboards.

It's the same reason why you don't hear people shouting:
Whadda we want? Gradual Change!
When do we wannit? In Due Course!

The impact just isn't there.

[Emperor Norton I]

Originally Posted by AlDaja

I don't think they like McCain much either.

FOX is run by the Neo-Con conservatives (ie the people that tell you to save the white race by humping and call everyone far left when they say they like trees or disagree). Then again, so is much of the Conservative and Republican ideology now (even including McCain to a degree). Its too far right, and too cemented in a two dimensional view of reality.

Originally Posted by masked_marsoe

One of the most basic rules of election posters is keep it short, and keep it bold. Listing off policy changes and planned measures is not the role of posters and billboards.

It's the same reason why you don't hear people shouting:
Whadda we want? Gradual Change!
When do we wannit? In Due Course!

The impact just isn't there.

Yes, you have to check the speeches or the websites.

Originally Posted by Dave-Mastor

I guarantee that "the first four years", most if not all problems will be excused, because they were 'inheriting' from Bush, so it's all his fault; regardless if it's true or not; much like Bill Clinton did with Bush Sr..

It will be a fair argument in many cases.

[Trojan_Ripper]

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