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Old July 6th, 2007   #21
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I think the source was from a television news group, possibly CNN, or NBC, but I can't find an online source. But a few supporting articles
Hu warns Taiwan's residents that they decide between peace and war
China angered by US statement that mentioned "The Republic of Taiwan"

The second URL may take you to an index on it, or the actual article I couldn't grab the proper url.

Most of China does not live a luxurious life, they are general poor and poor as in the iconic poverty the pops into the mind with pictures of homeless people , starving children and so on; many people are malnourished, and more still living in a state of life that is without any modern advancement, which has led to the spread of disease throughout the country. The luxuries they provide are not at their sole expense, they help buisness grow to gain revenue, and have let industry pollute their rivers, their atmosphere, and with so many people directly dependent on those rivers, it's an atrocity.

The population of China is little over a billion people, growing each day, and in many modernized areas, service in the military is mandatory for 2 years, which gives the Chinese a massive military. With the lack of respect for life, they could very well kill any rioters, hell it wouldn't be the first time. Mao killed hundreds of thousands of people for "acting against the government". In short, the only people capable of mounting a significant resistance would be the rich and powerful and the triades of the local area and maybe arms industrialists. There are more soldiers and more bullets than there are potential resistance fighters. I look at China with the perspective that they have less of a respect for the lives of their citizens than Russia, which is a very difficult thing to achieve, seeing as in Russia, the disfigured or mentally disabled are put into orphanages to fend for themselves, hostages are of no concern, only those holding them are and in there case their worth is as dead, and the "president" is taking supreme power. I doubt they'll have too much to worry about.

The only thing China truly needs from the outside world is resources; particularly: steel/iron, coal, other metals and whatever else they haven't depleted within their own borders.

As towards France, Germany, etc. etc. I didn't say they were going to start a war, I just said that they would dig up the treaty with Japan and complain about it. Basically we'd lose more faith from other nations that we have a will to act upon our documents.

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From the short bit that I have read, it appears to me that you guys are thinking too much on the politics side of it.

In my little free minded brain I think that we already are in another world war, and have been for quite a while. Think about it, WW2 almost hasn't really ended, just there have been off times and on times, and the battles/countries have shifted. A lot of people are thinking more allong the lines of what fighting has been involving their own country, or the allies of their country and not on the broader scale.

From my personal knowledge let me explain my reasoning (keep in mind that I'm only 16, and am not some sort of master philosipher)

Post WW2 Russia and US end their alliance, and hostilities begin to rise with threats of atomic/nuclear weapons. By now the war has changed from a shooting war to a deplomatic war (still a war). The Warsaw pact is beginning to spread, and because of the relative proximity to the US the Korean war begins, but there has still been no break in fighting between Russia, and US.

Post Korea, hostilities simmer down again, but again the Warsaw pact shows it's teath in Vietnam. The US claimed to have won that war, but everybody knows that as soon as they pulled out the north took over the whole country. Now the Warsaw Pact begins spreading to the west, and sells masses of weapons to countries in Africa and the Middle East.

Post Vietnam with all those Ak's, and RPG's from the Russians, Middle Eastern and African "feudes" get more and more violent, but continue to be ignored by the western world. However Iraq now becomes a hot topic because of the Soviet influences, so the US moves in to try and calm things down, but again as soon as they pull out things errupt again.

Post Iraq #1, The African conflicts are finnally recognised by the western world and Somalia hosts the Ameriacans for a while.

Post Mogashidu Iraq hits the fan again.

And that only covers the American side of things, Russia also had it's fair share of ugly conflicts all the way through this.

So tell me; since when has the second world war in fact ended? It seems to me that the whole world has been at war since WW2. Heck the world has always been at war, but not always on an inter-continental basis.

The point is the world has always been at war, and it will never stop. I think it was Einstein who said "As long as there are people there will be war."

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Indeed war hasn't stopped, but a world war is first of all a declared war between all the most powerful nations and all takes place in the same region or in regions related to the countries fighting in the main region and is second of all a term we invented to separate the wars from past conflicts as they changed the way wars were waged. So it's a technicality more than anything, but still the nitpick stands.

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Not meaning to sound like a total ass or inconsiderate but think about this.

If Hiroshima and Nagasaki had not been nuked no one would have seen the death and destruction caused by the two bombs. I think that the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are what have kept the world from spiraling down into a radioactive hell so far to this date.

People who have seen ground zero, who have seen the shadows of people burned into walls right before they were vaporized, have seen the desolated almost lunar looking landscape, and the countless numbers of people suffering from radiation burns and illness has made many people realize that this is a line that has been crossed twice and that was twice too many.

Thats why so far all wars since have been conventional. Thats why MacArthur was called a madman for wanting to carpet bomb North Korea's border with China into a radioactive no mans land.

Most people and politicians understand that nuclear weapons are the most powerful weapons on this planet but the price to pay for their use is too high.

Thats why I dont expect their to be a nuclear exchange between any of the major powers or even up and coming powers.

My biggest fear is Pakistan falling to the Islamic Fundamentalists and then they in turn hand over a few nukes to Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

I could almost imagine a Special Forces team
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Most of China does not live a luxurious life, they are general poor and poor as in the iconic poverty the pops into the mind with pictures of homeless people , starving children and so on; many people are malnourished, and more still living in a state of life that is without any modern advancement, which has led to the spread of disease throughout the country. The luxuries they provide are not at their sole expense, they help buisness grow to gain revenue, and have let industry pollute their rivers, their atmosphere, and with so many people directly dependent on those rivers, it's an atrocity.

The population of China is little over a billion people, growing each day, and in many modernized areas, service in the military is mandatory for 2 years, which gives the Chinese a massive military. With the lack of respect for life, they could very well kill any rioters, hell it wouldn't be the first time. Mao killed hundreds of thousands of people for "acting against the government"
Have you ever considered (this just occurred to me just recently) that there maybe a time where China is going to have to expand its boarders to support its massive population.

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This may add a resolve to their conquests.

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Have you ever considered (this just occurred to me just recently) that there maybe a time where China is going to have to expand its boarders to support its massive population.

This may add a resolve to their conquests.
Expanding its borders into a region thats already burgeoning (ROC) helps alleviate their problems how? If they are going to expand they are going to expand to less populated more resource rich areas, like the Siberian plain or the Spratley Islands.

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yeah but that doesn't explain why Russia would take time to train Iranian troops when they are supposed to be allies with us and they know that we don't like them. Are they preparing them for something or what? Certainly that costs money Russia's economy supposedly cant support.


About mind control, I think that has something to do with scalar technology and ultra low radio frequencies that affect the brain...




We are codependent, our companies go to China while we buy from the work of Chinese workers. Actually, American companies only have to pay 2/7 the cost of an American worker for a Chinese worker. Anyway, for this reason I can see why we maybe reluctant to go to war so quickly. However, I disagree on you other points. I believe reverting America back to a producing nation is a good thing. If more companies stayed in America more jobs could be produced which, in turn, leads to an improved economy. More people have more money to spend. Also, being a producing nation make it so other nations depends on us so we could have better control over world affairs while securing ourselves. It doesn't necessarily mean more pollution but rather displaced pollution. Factories in China are abandoned and replaced with ones in America. Sure we may go into an economic depression but we would no-doubt recover; perhaps even better than we were before. Self sufficiency is the way to go, at least thats what I think.
China has polluted it's rivers, filled it's atmosphere with smog, if that industry transfers over to here, we'll double our pollution output, and we're already the highest polluter on the planet. Atmospheric pollution does indeed spread out, but not instantly, it takes time to disperse. Their smog would be our smog, their poisoned rivers would become our poisoned rivers. A self sufficient isolationist nation can no longer exist without destroying the people's freedom because of the high standard quality of life. If technology were a step ahead, perhaps it could work, but with today's means it's just not viable.

The mind control technology is work based on the idea of implanting electrodes in the brain to stimulate areas at the presence of a radio signal to do so. In the 60s this technology was developed to treat mental patients, and it worked for some, sort of. Today it helps people with serious muscle contraction caused deformities and similar diseases. The brain control the Chinese have developed is a more developed form of the age old principle. In lab mice, they can control them like RC cars by stimulating certain parts of the "motor strip" in the brain. It's not about to turn the masses into zombies following every order, but it's something to consider when one thinks about how far along China is technologically.

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I think that the Nagasaki and Hiroshima bombings are to blame for all the current, and past wars. They bred the American fear of the Russians posessing such weapons, as well as the Russian fear of the Americans using that technology against them.

Just a quick thought of mine at 10:40 pm (late for me), so don't take this too seriously.

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Oh, ok. I kinda figured that what was to blame for most of the wars after 1945 were the desires of people to rule themselves, other people, or other territory. I mean, I can't see what the nuclear bombings had to do with anything in Indochina from Dien Bien Phu on, or what they had to do with pretty much the entire continent of Africa, or Tibet, or anything.
What bred the American fear of Russians having those weapons was that Russians had a really good spy network, and soon enough, they got a bomb. No one likes to be on equal footing with people they think are crazy, they always want some sort of "bigger gun".

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