It is others like yourself that associate that flag with slavery and biggotry.
Perhaps it's because that flag is associated with slavery and biggotry, just as the swastika is associated with Nazism, no matter what else it might represent.
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You see the flag really is a symbol of our heritage in the South.
But that particular heritage has some pretty ugly parts; parts that aren't just confined to the dark corners of history. Hell, the flag is even used today by people with an utterly inhuman view on certain issues.
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Re: Are there rednecks in Europe too?
Bs|Archaon
April 20th, 2007 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Jill
I'm a REDNECK and I got my flag.
You're intelligent enough to use a computer, surely that rules you out by default? =P
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Re: Are there rednecks in Europe too?
Teqila
April 20th, 2007 12:53 PM
Europe has different types of people than the stereotypical American redneck that would fit what you mean.
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Re: Are there rednecks in Europe too?
*SW3D3*
April 20th, 2007 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by CyberRaptor
You know the type: Those inbred hicks who drive around in rusted pickups spewing racial slurs, scratching their ass a lot, brewing potent moonshine, and hating anyone and anything not like them.
I suppose the only thing missing would be the confederate flag.
Well not really rednecks. But as Master of puppets said, in the north part of Sweden there are some sort of "rednecks" they drive in old cars around the town square, screaming racial things, drinks beer and makes fun of the police.
When I grew up though (the 90's), the main problem was big well trained steroid pittbull-kinda like dudes. Who were 190-200 cm tall and wear Schott jackets (the Schoot jackets were their trademark so to speak). Those dudes were dangerous and those were the fellows you had to watch out for if you came to a small town. They were in the big cities aswell, and I would actually like to say that there were many more of them in the big cities. But those who existed on the country side were much more un-predictable.
I never had any problems with those kind of dudes since I knew many of them in my home city, but you could never know what those on the country side would do when they saw you.
And not that they were openly racists, but the racist-opinions were there. And immigrants weren't very liked, and also a hot target for those kind of guys.
These guys are still around in Sweden, but IMO you don't see them as much now days though as you used to. They still exist in quite large numbers here in Denmark though
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Re: Are there rednecks in Europe too?
El Hombre del Fuego
April 20th, 2007 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Jill
Oh..at the age of 12 I knew exactly what the Confederate Battle Flag was all about. It is others like yourself that associate that flag with slavery and biggotry. You see the flag really is a symbol of our heritage in the South. Too many people think that our Civil War was about slavery. The war was about our independence from the North. It is like saying that the 4th of July is a racist holiday because guess what....back then ...all 13 colonies had slaves. You see...it doesn't make sense. General Grant had slaves and so did President Lincoln's in-laws. Many don't even know that congress was willing to pass a certain amendment to allow permanint slaverly if only the South returned to the Union. There is so much that people don't really know about the South.
I'd like to take this opportunity to say GO SHERMAN! YEEAAH! The Shermanator! Second only to Buford in terms of being a sweet CW general.
That said, so long as there are two groups of people in the world, one is generally going to be 'redneck.' By that I mean working-class, low wage, bad lawn kind of person. And the two groups will ALWAYS make fun of each other.
Every society has them, they'll just call them hillbillies, chavs, sjonnies, et cetera. And can someone please tell me what 'Chavs' is derived from?
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Re: Are there rednecks in Europe too?
Roaming East
April 20th, 2007 10:02 PM
The idea isnt to question whether or not Europe has American style rednecks but whether they have European style white trash. In america, white trash aka rednecks are characterised by loving loud obnoxious sports (nascar) swilling cheap beer, being ill educated, uncouth and bigoted hateful people stuck in the past (typically favoring a losing army). The European equivalent would also be a poorly educated welfare sucking slob with a fascination with sports (soccer hooligans) swilling cheap or warm beer and being hateful bigoted turds (neo nazis...) Im from what ive seen Europe has their fair share of white trash.
Oh and Jill, i love ya girl but come on. Even i, a true bred southern knows that Slavery was and will always have been the critical lynch pin in the Civil War. The claim about "States Rights" leaves out the part where the particular right in question was the right to own slaves and to expand that issue into new states. The initial proclamation for secession spelled out the issue of slavery being a key factor in any event. trying to gloss that over is historically dishonest. That the South ever thought it was a good idea to invade the North following its victories in Virginia is insane. had they held root, the war would have ended as it was terribly unpopular to the North at that time and they had no serious qualm against the South.
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Re: Are there rednecks in Europe too?
Rich19
April 21st, 2007 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by El Hombre del Fuego
And can someone please tell me what 'Chavs' is derived from?
IIRC, Chav means "Council House And Violent".
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Re: Are there rednecks in Europe too?
B@SE
April 21st, 2007 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberRaptor
You know the type: Those inbred hicks who drive around in rusted pickups spewing racial slurs, scratching their ass a lot, brewing potent moonshine, and hating anyone and anything not like them.
I suppose the only thing missing would be the confederate flag.
Im sure theres so called 'Red necks' anywhere in the world, why wouldnt there be!? Theyre humans after all
As for intangling the confederate flag in this... please dont! Thanx.
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Re: Are there rednecks in Europe too?
*SW3D3*
April 21st, 2007 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Roaming East
The idea isnt to question whether or not Europe has American style rednecks but whether they have European style white trash. In america, white trash aka rednecks are characterised by loving loud obnoxious sports (nascar) swilling cheap beer, being ill educated, uncouth and bigoted hateful people stuck in the past (typically favoring a losing army). The European equivalent would also be a poorly educated welfare sucking slob with a fascination with sports (soccer hooligans) swilling cheap or warm beer and being hateful bigoted turds (neo nazis...) Im from what ive seen Europe has their fair share of white trash.
The discussion is over since Roaming hit the spot here
No we don't have rednecks "American-style", but we do have violent white trash, like Romaing describes above.
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Re: Are there rednecks in Europe too?
Jill
April 23rd, 2007 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by El Hombre del Fuego
I'd like to take this opportunity to say GO SHERMAN! YEEAAH! The Shermanator! Second only to Buford in terms of being a sweet CW general.
That said, so long as there are two groups of people in the world, one is generally going to be 'redneck.' By that I mean working-class, low wage, bad lawn kind of person. And the two groups will ALWAYS make fun of each other.
Every society has them, they'll just call them hillbillies, chavs, sjonnies, et cetera. And can someone please tell me what 'Chavs' is derived from?
Well, Not many people in the South think very highly of Sherman. His march to the sea destroyed many peoples homes and property. Some Yankee people thing he was some sort of a hero that was talented and a successful General. Sherman was actually very brutal and cruel. Many civilains where raped, murdered and died due to starvation. He basically targeted civilians. You should read up more on your hero. BTW...have you ever noticed how crazy that guy looks in all of his photos? The man was evil.
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Originally Posted by Roaming East
Oh and Jill, i love ya girl but come on. Even i, a true bred southern knows that Slavery was and will always have been the critical lynch pin in the Civil War. The claim about "States Rights" leaves out the part where the particular right in question was the right to own slaves and to expand that issue into new states. The initial proclamation for secession spelled out the issue of slavery being a key factor in any event. trying to gloss that over is historically dishonest. That the South ever thought it was a good idea to invade the North following its victories in Virginia is insane. had they held root, the war would have ended as it was terribly unpopular to the North at that time and they had no serious qualm against the South.
Well...it all happened before we where born. At least we are one nation again and let's hope we learned something from the Civil war.
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