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Originally Posted by Archmage Cleps

Who do you want to win these elections?

It's not as simple as that. Usually, its the choice between 3 or 4 people who either have the money or the connections to run, which that in itself is not necessarily a bad thing. But given the choice between George "W", and Slick Willy... I'd pic an unnamed candidate.

[Mr. Pedantic]

You see - in the REAL world, you want your own weapons effective, but you don't want lunatics like Kim Jong to have such weapons

No, that just proves that Bush is a hypocrite - preaching nuclear disarmament, while getting new nuclear warheads at the same time? No wonder the Koreans and Iranians dont take him seriously.

[Joe Bonham]

You want the best weapons possible, while at the same time preventing potential world enemies from getting them. Not a hard concept.

[Karst]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli's Apprentice

You want the best weapons possible, while at the same time preventing potential world enemies from getting them. Not a hard concept.

Not a hard concept but the potential world enemies you mention may disagree with it. It only works one way.

By the way how did the topic shift to this?

[Mr. Pedantic]

I'm sorry, that must be me.

You want the best weapons possible, while at the same time preventing potential world enemies from getting them. Not a hard concept

As long as the US itself has thousands upon thousands of nuclear warheads, it cant really say anything about disarmament - during the Cold War, even when the Russians wanted to disarm nuclear weapons, the US refused.

[Joe Bonham]

Originally Posted by Karst

Not a hard concept but the potential world enemies you mention may disagree with it. It only works one way.

Of course they do. That's why they're called "enemies".

Originally Posted by Arch

As long as the US itself has thousands upon thousands of nuclear warheads, it cant really say anything about disarmament

In NZ, many police and citizens carry around guns - yet they don't allow convicted felons to carry guns. Ahh! Hypocrites!

- during the Cold War, even when the Russians wanted to disarm nuclear weapons, the US refused.

Clauswitz discussed this. When weak, try to compromise. When strong, seize your advantage.

The Russians were completely unable to keep up with us in the arms race, so they tried to stall for time, or negate our advantage with a treaty.

[Mr. Pedantic]

In NZ, many police and citizens carry around guns - yet they don't allow convicted felons to carry guns. Ahh! Hypocrites

LOL, ordinary police on the beat are forbidden to carry guns, thats why they have to resort to pepper spray and batons. They're trialling the taser as well, but i dont think it'll work.

The Russians were completely unable to keep up with us in the arms race, so they tried to stall for time, or negate our advantage with a treaty

The russians wanted to stop the arms race so that a) somebody didnt annihilate the other accidentally, and b) the Russians could concentrate more on their domestic economy rather than military.

yet they don't allow convicted felons to carry guns

And we dont call them felons. If you had this guy who was an ex-murderer or assaultist or something, would you let him carry a gun?

[Joe Bonham]

Originally Posted by Archmage Cleps

LOL, ordinary police on the beat are forbidden to carry guns, thats why they have to resort to pepper spray and batons. They're trialling the taser as well, but i dont think it'll work.

You have a right to bear arms. My point still stands.

The russians wanted to stop the arms race so that a) somebody didnt annihilate the other accidentally, and b) the Russians could concentrate more on their domestic economy rather than military.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes, all those armored divisions near the border and the massive submarine fleet were there just for "domestic economy".

The USSR bankrupted itself building up a huge military. The only thing preventing them from streaming into western Germany was our massive nuclear arsenal.

And we dont call them felons. If you had this guy who was an ex-murderer or assaultist or something, would you let him carry a gun?

Exactly. Decent nations like the USA, Germany, or the UK can have nukes. But a nation run by a totalitarian nutjob, like Iran or N. Korea, can't have nukes.

[Chemix2]

Towards Arch
I think you're missing the point on the felons, he's saying that the US is the responsible nation, and irresponsible nations like Iran and North Korea who have massive problems of their own, in the way they act towards other nations (Hostile) and the way they treat their people (like shit) shouldn't be allowed to have nukes.

The Russians didn't care about stopping the arms race any more than America did, both wanted to be the top nation, that's why the space race happenned. That's why nations were building up spy networks, that's why the KGB became the corrupt intelligence agency that is now the FSB, and that is why Putin is now bringing Russia back to the cold war state.

[Mr. Pedantic]

he's saying that the US is the responsible nation

Not with George bush running it.

and the way they treat their people (like shit)

Do you know how the US government is treating the 'heroes' of the Iraq war? the Injured ones are placed in rooms with mould, cockroaches, and rats, for Goodness sake. You dont call that shit?