Hillary is running for the US presidency
 

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...29B748AF46.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/...ent/index.html
http://rdu.news14.com/content/headli...=98601&SecID=2

It's all over the news. I thought it was ironic to have made it to aljazeera. What do you fellows think? Would you vote for her and do you think she would make a good leader?

I would've added a poll, but i couldn't find the option.

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Yeah, she's not going to win though, everyone is for Obama. There are also other canidates as well joining.

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In all truth I'll vote for her if she makes it through the primaries. I think she has the experience and plus i'm really curious as to whether or not a woman in the whitehouse will bring in a sense of discretion to the hill.

To me Obama is a joke. He just made it to his senators seat just a few years back. That just doesn't seem like enough experience to run the whitehouse. Remember what happened when everyone wanted someone new and fresh in the whitehouse, we got Bush.

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I don't like that much of Hillary Clinton, she seems to be opportunistic gambler who makes anything to make herself electable. Sure, Clinton propably has enough experience but not enough fresh visions or original ideas. If John McCain will run for presidency, I would vote for him or Rudy Giuliani if he would run. If the Republican canditate would be Rice, then I would vote for Clinton.

What comes to Obama: even though he would win Democratic primaries, I don't think he will become a president: no offence, but I don't think that enough Americans are ready for black president yet. Perhaps I'm wrong though and I hope I am.

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I love what I heard on the radio. Someone said "I think America is ready for a female president." Someone calls in and responds. "Yeah, we just aren't ready for a total bitch."

Sums up my feelings.

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I'd vote for the Obama-rama. Then, we would be the Obama-nation.

Personally, I think Obama would be a refreshing change to the old, white and uptight guys we're used to. A lot of this is because he's essentially coming from nowhere, which in one sense is good and in another bad. He doesn't blindly support the Democrats, and is more open to new ideas. At the same time he brings some kinda youth and energy to the political scene.

He also seems to know a good deal about speaking to people. Given that he's coming from nowhere, a lot more people than I expected are supporting him.

On the other hand Hillary's a bitch. Ten bucks says she'll give head to a male secretary just to spite Billy.

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Actually – Obama may have had the preverbal nail put in his political coffin by the Clinton camp exposing his radical Muslim background. The media isn’t covering it much (no surprise there). But you can read here:

http://www.insightmag.com/Media/Medi...er/Obama_2.htm

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I would take a 4 more years of bush before I took a day of Hillary. Obama seems like a good candidate since he is willing to work with people of opposing political ideologies. He is also not a total liberal or a complete conserative.

I would love to see a libertarian in the oval office, but there are only a handfull of libertarians out there.

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I've read that a majority of democrats don't want her in office at all, so I don't really think she'll make it past the primaries, but then, voters are easily swayed by the media. :cort:

We suffer so, don't we? :p

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I'm republican but I think a lot of women and a few guys would think that Hillary will give the country something new...refreshing sort of thing. I probably don't make much sense here.

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No chance...
She thinks she's tough and can handle the head of the "free world." She can't make hardcore decisions. If anything I think Tim Ryan should run for president...he's friggin tough.

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WOuld you want to come out into the current media climate and say "Hey look at me, I'm a muslim"? The poor guy would get torn to pieces.

As for Hillary, why is one of her main running points that she has alot of money behind her? I find it despicable that money is even an issue. I would much rather see a poor person lead, as they know what its like to be hard up, and they probably have more money sense for it.

From what I've read this Obama guy seems like a good candidate, but, he's black. Sad as it is, I dont think America's ready for that, and it certainly looks like the democrats arent.

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The most ideal combination is someone who is popular and someone who is, well...white. I hate to be blunt, but the country will not elect a woman, nor a black, nor a hispanic. The best candidate is John Edwards. From what I saw, most people liked him over Kerry, and the only thing Republicans had on him was that he was not experienced enough. He's the kind of candidate that has a chance at winning, as long as he knows what to say on the campaign trail. Hillary and Obama will both be blasted by the republicans for their pasts and lack of experience.

All I can say is: Edwards & Clinton '08.

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I wouldnt vote for Hitlary if it came down to it.

Right now, im not sure who i would vote for, but its only Jan 07, its too early to think about the 08 elections

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John Edwards looked like such a stuck up lawyer. I don't know how better to describe it. Everything about the man told me overachieving cunt. I couldn't stand his smile. Every time he laughs he makes me want to fist his face.

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I'll take an overachieving cunt over an incompetent douchebag any day of the week...

http://worm.nessus.at/fun/USA/Bush/bush_monkey.jpg

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Good thing we have better choices this time.

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Ahh, Jeffro do you have any real arguements?

The President of the United States is the hardest job in the world, the fact that you disagree with Bush is irrelevant, but he couldnt be a "incompetent douchebag" and handle the amount of things the President does on a daily basis.

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That was a response to Scratchy's imaginary argument:

Here is word for word what he said:

"John Edwards looked like such a stuck up lawyer. I don't know how better to describe it. Everything about the man told me overachieving cunt. I couldn't stand his smile. Every time he laughs he makes me want to fist his face."

If you think that is a valid "argument", I don't know what to say...

Call my logic flawed, but I still think he is an incompetent douchebag. The mere reason I stated it, however, was to respond to Scratchy's ridiculous and irrelevent bashing of John Edwards.

Hopefully that is sarcasm. Here are our "wonderful" choices:

Hilary-Authoritarian democrat who is a carpetbagger and blames violence on video games. That cold, emotionless smile creeps me out every time.

Obama -Personally, my candidate of choice, however will never make it (He's black, has a muslim background, etc...)

McCain-Flip-flopper

And don't get me started on the uber-conservative candidates...

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Jebb Bush for Pres!! :p Four more years of Bush!!

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I long for the day that being black, or being a woman, or in a religion, will not be a factor and will not be an issue in who becomes elected into a certain position. Tell me how they are relevant to doing the job.
Waging an unnecessary war for one.

Anyway, I think experience is a very fair prerequisite for earning my vote. However, more time is needed before I actually lean the way of any of the candidates.


Now, if Natalie Portman ran for president, I would do anything in my power to make sure she won, and to make sure that I would be the first ever first man :)

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I honestly think that Hillary has a good chance at getting the White House. I don't think Obama has enough experience.

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I'm not so well aware of individuals in US politics, but doesn't McCain just have individualistic stances on different issues rather than he's a flip-flopper?

How about Rudy Giuliani? He seems to be somewhat okay.

They aren't relevant for us but this isn't about what we think but what many Americans think: that is (I presume) they aren't ready for woman or black president this time.

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Yeah, some American's aren't. That's why I'm wishing those sort of things won't always win or lose peoples votes. On top of that, I think this sort of brings us down(the united states), in the eyes of the international community, as far as discrimination is concerned. Regardless of other countries and their policies about it, we are contradicting ourselves. But yeah, eventually time will pass and it won't be a big deal.

Things we must all ask ourselves is what makes a candidate worthy of your vote.

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Rudy Giuliani is a somewhat better choice, his views on the war and national security are strong, but i dont agree with most of his social issues (gay marriage, abortion, etc..)

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It was my personal opinion. It wasn't intended to be part of the argument. Just an opinion pretaining to the argument. It was not a attempt to change yours. You sure did get defensive. I must've hit a nerve. ;)

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Obama is no way in hell winning. A black president in the USA or in Europe will never work. And on top of that muslim...:lol:
Hilary is retarded...woman president? Women don't make decisions, they stay quiet and follow the man. Women can't make hardcore decisions.

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Sorry, I was vague. I believe he is a flip-flopper, because one minute he says something that goes AGAINST christian values (he refuses to ban civil unions). The next minute, he tries hard to kiss their arse. I'm just skeptical...

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireS...C-RSSFeeds0312


I'll have to check his stance on issues before I say anything about him. From what I have seen, he isn't a religious nutter...

It didn't strike a nerve, considering this is just a gamingforum. :p

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:fistpunch:

I don't understand your reason for the man not being president. How does being half part african or musilim effect his decision making? Just because it's never been done before doesn't mean it wouldn't work.

50 years ago it was controversial that a catholic was running for president. They still elected him to office. Maybe you know him, his name was John F. Kennedy.

As for woman being followers and not making the tough decisions, I dare you to say that to the women serving in the miltary. In fact I dare you to try and "feel them up." You'd end up with a broken arm and a very feminine fist in the face.

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Though I think Obama is more like "muslim-only-by-name" than actual believer.

Sure you have something to back up your rather arrogant and unfound claim? Didn't/haven't Margaret Thatcher, Jean D´Arc, Nancy Pelosi, Condoleezza Rice or Catherine the Great made "hardcore decisions"?

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I think that America is ready for a woman President. Although I don't vote in elections I see Nancy Pelosi as the American people warming up to the Idea. That coupled with the Clinton admisitration being one of the most sucessfull terms, certainly far more sucessful than this current administration, I don't think that people will have a hard time casting there vote for Hillary Clinton.

I have to say it was very smart of her not to divorce Bill R Clinton. It might have been a political move yet...it was smart. Whe showed that she and her husband were of one mind, and that she herself is a forgiving person and that is perhaps what people will remember at the voting booths.

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Pelosi? I just cant see it happening. The next few elections are going to be determined by the fence riders. The hardcore party-liners will vote their candidate in no matter who it is, Satan Hitler or a duck, but the 10-15% of voters who DO care about issues, in general, havent been too favorable in their opinion of Pelosi thus far. Granted she is newish at her job. Hillary has a better shot simply through name recognition. Funny, our leaders are shaping up to be Bush,Clinton Bush Clinton...ruling families indeed.

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Don't be so sure. This admistration has shown the people of America that hardliners are just as bad a term for American politics as they were For Soviet politics.

The President acknoledge that America was exhausted of this line of thinkinga after the radical restructuring of the house that won the Democrats superiority.

Has that attitude changed? I doubt it. Bush as oreinted additional troops into the Iraqi region and a week later his public opinion dropped further to what has to be approaching or exceeding the lowest approval rating since Nixon.

In order for the Democracts to have taken such decive control means that the people have spoken. It's their REPS they voted for. Those hardliners evidently had a huge change of heart after so many sons and daughters are dying in what is this generation version of Vietnam..

Everyone's asking why are we there. Bush has displayed to the people that he has not changed. I don't think Rumsfeld's firing will be anywhere near enough.

I do agree about the ruling families...Perhaps the American people think that like values run in family structures.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't one Presidential Candiate run on the Idea of "raising the village" I thought that was Clinton.

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Ha. Women shouldn't be involved in politics...

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That's not a very political correct point of view.

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And racist/sexist bigots shouldn't be posting on forums, yet they are.. :rolleyes:

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In general, most of the voters are close to political center in both sides of the spectrum and that is why the Republicans and Democrats have come closer to this point.

I don't think the Democrat election victory was that much about Republican hardliners than the war in Iraq and getting tired on long Republican rule since 1996, during which time the Republicans controlled both chambers of Congress (except in short period of 2002-2004).

It might be so that the Democrat victory at last Autumn wasn't that beneficial for their presidential race. As they're now holding both chambers of Congress, they can't blame the Republicans anymore about America's misfortunes as they now have the power. Sure they can blame Bush for vetoing their proposals, but the voters would propably see this as inefficiency. The Democrats will propably now keep relatively low profile and deepen their cooperation with Bush administration before the presidential race.

No matter the fact that majority of Americans are women? No matter the equality, freedom & rights? If you can't answer to my question or provide any arguments for your stance, then you should propably not take part in the discussion in the first place.

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I see that too. I have doubts that America will simply had over control of the country to the Democrats enmass....It sounds farfetch but I think this admistration could drive them to that end. IT's not quite a toss up I see it leaning to the Democratic Party but theres a whole year of mess ups that the democrats and Republican have to endure. We'll see what happens.

I have to not though...there seemed to be a different attitude with Nancy's swearing in. The kids the speech...It all seemed different. The invovlment and the surface level bi-party talks...It seemed like a real change. I think she's brought something refreshing to the office. I think people saw her values something we don't always...heck rarely see in the males in office.

I have to think..Are women this large, a group to embrace on of their own and are there enough males that would follow suit...Maybe not this round but I believe that by running she's opening doors. The image the idealogy, its all changing...she'll have a place in history one way or another...

I say smart woman.

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and the inevitable revolution inches that much closer.









kidding of course...or AM I? duh duh duuuuuuh

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:wtf:How am I a racist? Just because I don't think women should take command all of a sudden I'm a racist?...Sexist maybe, but racist? Don't put words or tell me what to do kid, because I don't appreciate it.

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That would be the statement interpreted as racist. :lookaround:

He is foremost a U.S. citizen with a right equal to any other's right to run for public office.

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this is true, the problem still remains however, that most voters are old people, and most old people hold on to their earlier bigotry. It'll take another generation or 3 before the old chaff starts getting cast off and voting concerns advance beyond gender creed or race...

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Keith Ellison is the FIRST muslim in congress, NOT Barack Obama. The media is tearing the guy apart, and alot of foolish, ignorant americans are getting folled. To be honest it pisses me off, but its well deserved, you will never learn until you learn to accept others baseless on religion or color of skin. That article is total bull shit, being a muslim or getting raised in a madrassa or NOT disclosing your religioin shouldnt keep you from being elected, f**k now people will make shit up to make him look bad.

Now for a President I like Biden and Obama.

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Good luck to them all, it seems to be quite the contentious choice amongst democrats for presidential bid. Does it simply come down to America wanting the first woman president or first black president (provided the Democrats win of course)? And if so, has Republican support gone down as far as outside media (non-American) have said, which so far sounds like everyone hates Republicanm because thats the notion I've read from some newspapers here.

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Ok, I said he was black and a muslim which are 2 characteristics that are not going to give him a win. I din't point any fingures at him and rant name calling. I simply said what is true and basically what everyone in the world thinks. No American wants a black president, and no European country either. Maybe in I'd say 50 more years when the world is a bit more integrated and no more BS aggressive national pride, race, and religious qualities can be seen. Europe tends to vote for people who are native born to office...and the same goes for America, but the problem is that America still holds the 60s very close, and that my friend is the big picture.
I am, however, racist against Mexicans, Turks, and illegals. Both in NJ and Bremen, we suffer these people as a sort of...problem/plague to our nations progress.

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Oh...don't forget about us females too. You know....the species that can't make decisions well.....You know....the big important ones that only males can do. :D

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No, I love pussycats. I just don't think they can make tough decisions like running a country. I think they are awesome supports, but not leaders. They are a man's teacher, and without their support and guidance we are useless.

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Ya...I guess you are right. I just can't make up my mind to either laugh or shake my head with sorrow for ya. :nodding:

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Thats what the Argentines thought, to their sorrow it would seem.

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Go ahead do both, it's what the rest of us are doing. :Peach: