Ban The Death Penalty
 

I think the death penulty should be banned. It is inhumane and does not get the job done. They have not come up with any method of execution that is painless, and it is likely impossible to do so.

First of all, I belive that people who go and purposelly kill people (Outside of war of course) are mentally ill. Why you might ask?

Well, you don't see the average person running around killing people. Therefore, one can argue that it is not a normal activity or part of us. Killing for survival (Food, something going to kill you) is normal, but killing just because isn't.

Second, life in prison is a much greater punishment, and one that be undone to a degree. If an innocent guy gets executed you can't bring him back to life, but if he is sent to jail you can let him out and compensate him. It will not make up for the time wasted, but it will be better than sending innocent people to death. Besides, if one actually did do it the gulit could drive them crazy.

And as I orginally stated, it is not humane. Even the "Painless" lethal injection hurts like hell. The sedative might wear off, and if it does that you get the feeling of fire running through your veins. Not good. Plus if you have an abnormal immune system it might take a very long time to kill you (Recent case of man is US with liver problems who took 30 minutes to die).

So, what do you guys think of the death penuty?

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I've only supported it in for people who do REALLY bad things like Saddam, or a serial killer.

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Hmmmm we discussed this in psychology class. Texas is number one to give death sentences.

I dont know how I feel yet but I would be interested if you presented one particuallar case and let us analyze it. Tell us why you disagree with the execution that was carrried out.

Because in the end the decision is made one by one and usually the majority would find it just...or am I wrong.

Present us with a particular case please.
:lol:

Anyways nice topic

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I think it should be brought back (To England) and i totaly agree, you took someone's life you don't deserve to have the right you took away.

I also think that mercy killings/assisted suicide should come back/be introduced as if someone wants to die then you should respect that wish, obviously you would need something like a signed note or something like that

natty

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Would some mod fix the title. "Penalty"

I chose other because I really don't care one way or another. Most people spend at least 10 years on death row so it's not like they don't get plenty of time to appeal. I live in texas and from what i've seen just about all the guys that they put to death belonged in jail anyway. If they hadn't shot a cop or axe murdered someone they probably raped some girl or robbed a string of liquor stores.

To be innocent and accused and convicted of something is 1 in a million or more. The odds of being sent to death row are probably alot higher. If it actually happened to me i might feel different, but then on the other hand life would suck so much at that point that i would probably welcome a quick end.

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I think it should be a universal life in prison (No parole) for any murder conviction. When you have people who go out and shoot someone (Gangsters come to mind) they should not be let out after 25 years.

I hate in whenever someone gets out on parole and then goes and does the same crime again. But still, executing someone just continues the cycle of violence.

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I have to say a bad word..Its worse to leave them in prision for there whole lives to be ass f*cked....Id rather be killed and avoid the suffering of being treated like a caged animall the rest of my life.

I think it's just inhumane to leave them in prision to rott there whole lives as it is to kill them in a momment of silence ...It should be there choice live in prision or die...then one would say people who wanted to die would abuse that penatly or people who were insecure about making there own living on there own would seek out prision...well...I dont know what to say but prision for life and executions are both just as inhumane in my opinion .

The best way to do it is to numb there bodies , put them to sleep and cut there throats....that would be painless.

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They did the crime, and now they deserve to pay for it (providing they actually did it), if we didn't have the death penalty, we would need a lot more prisons in the future, anyway.

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The death penalty should be upheld and personally I think we should drop the lethal injection and revert back to hanging, the electric chair, or even maybe some ol' axe and chopping block or firing squad.

Keeping every damn criminal in prison not only causes more prisons to become overpopulated but it only adds to the overpopulation in general. Overpopulation is not a good thing for our quickly growing society and why have people that killed innoccent men and women bring society down...plus i dont want me damn taxes going to support their lives in jail.

If you killed someone (outside of self defence) then you die...it's that simple. You shoot a man in the head while trying to take his wallet from him then...damn..just have the closest relative of that man come in with a .45 colt and put one himself in the bastards brain.

I have no love or sympathy for those who ruthlessly murder, rape, destroy, and bring down humanity...they are scum and they deserve death

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I believe it should be maintained, but imprisonment is almost always a better option.

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For serious offenders (and I mean serious) I'm all for it. Jail just doesn't do justice. half those that are given 'Life' sentences are released early because they are 'well behaved'. - Then they go commit a crime again. If that crime is Murder, someones life could be saved.

And you say about no 'painless' one being around. Well surely a bullet between the eyes is painless enough? Not to mention, if someone is going up for the death penalty, it would be because they committed that big a crime, why should we make it pleasant for them?

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I think that the death penalty is not only inhumane but also hypocrisy. Ok, so if you kill, you deserver to die? Ok, so the executioner deserves to die? And his executioner? Its absurd. The logic there follows the same as yours. Soon youd either become less brutalised or wipe out all of texas (or wherever).
Also, I think that if someone has taken from society (being it by killing someone or just using a state paid school) they should give it back when they can (pay taxes), so the killer should have to participate in community-beneffiting actions. Death and imprisonment do not repair any of the damge done. What the killer has to do to make up for it would be decided case by case.

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^^ If you were a Murderer, and you killed... say 5 people, how exactly would you 'give that back' to the community? Dig up the corpses, and bring them back to life? I don't think so some how.

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Getting them to pick up a single bit of litter on the street is giving more back than killing them in return/revenge/justice/whetever.

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^^ yes but, for example, one of those 5 people is one of your loved ones be it your partner, family member, or even you son/daughter would you be satisfied with that person just picking up litter, i know i wouldn't

natty

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My opinion of it has changed. I used to be totally against it, but now for incredibly serious crimes I'm not so sure. Certainly I don't think it should be applied to all murder charges - serial killing, possibly. There also ought to be a minimum prison sentance to serve before execution, say... 5 years. The disadvantage of the death penalty is that it's a bit too late to say sorry if you get the wrong man, so prison first should leave enough time to make 110% sure you have the right person.

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Violence Ends with Violence. Still, I don't understand people like you's Logic. "They Feel Pain," exactly! They have (Most Likely) done HORRIBLE things to the People of the World, why shouldn't they feel a tinge of Irritation before death? Please, do not use the "We're no better than them" excuse. That Argument completely and utterly fails. First of all, if we were no better than them, we'd go out and murder and rape multitudes of innocent people, secondly, we're putting THEM, a horrible person to DEATH, doesn't that seem right? We're bringing back the wrath of family members the form of Death, to me, it just seems right killing a Horrible Person.

Besides, if someone butchered your family, what would you want to do to them? So before speaking against this, think of what their families have to feel, then mae your decision.

Finally, Life in Prison would be a huge waste of Taxpayer Money. If you Hard Labour from prisoners, get it from the Minimum Security Guys who are only in for a Year or something.

HA! Well Said, my exact thoughts.

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Its not suppose to be humane, you seem to be missing the point...

Painless execution defeats the entire purpose of it

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Say he killed your ma,dad, family, would picking up trash still be a "punishment"?

Or just eliminating the bad, cut out cancer, not help it along.

You and everyone would like your ideas, but most of those criminals would just do more with no remorse, if you let them.

And while the dude is contributing, he aint thinking about your ma,dad, all he is thinking is how to get free.

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On one side who are we to take someone' s life even if this someone took the life of another 500?
On the other side I think death penalty would reduce crime and prison costs.

Personally I am against death penalty for the first reason but I understand why states/nations do it. I would want it in any country though...

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It costs more money(with the appeals process, etc.) to kill them than to keep them in prison for life.

Many people on death row are found innocent and released.

It also wouldn't surprise me that more murderers than we think, may suffer from some kind of psychological disorder or have had a short burst of insanity.

There are too many things wrong with it.

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Do you have numbers to prove it? IIRC its over 24,000 a year to keep somone on death row

Define "many", the amount of people who have been found innocent is rather small

What is it with people always blaming some sort of disorder and insanity??

The main thing that is wrong with the death penalty is that we dont do it often enough

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[QUOTE=S.T.A.L.K.E.R.;3473535]I'm not only talking about providing the essential things such as shelter, food and drinks, and whatever other benefits that they have. I am also taking into consideration ongoing legal representation and appeals that don't cost the convicted person, but other people.
There are plenty of resources to gather information, and 24,000 is at the very low end for only providing essentials for living and taking absolutely nothing else into consideration.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/arti...scid=7&did=918 just to give you one

For a person who thinks one is more than enough, like I do, according to my research there is roughly 4 person every year found innocent.(Averaged from a few different sources where the numbers were only 2-3 off from each other Two of them were the same and they were in the middle, so I went with that.
No one that I am aware of stated that those were the cause all of the time. Just saying that it is another factor to be aware of as these are different than actually making a choice and being aware of the consequences.
The death penalty cannot be reversed. What if the person killed with the death penalty was found innocent with new investigations, evidence, and technology to make that all possible? How is that not kiling people often enough wrong?

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i support the death penalty for people who kill someone else, not in self defence but on perpus (sp?) because if someone goes out, and willingly kills someone just because they 'feel like it' they should have the same thing done to them.... some thing goes for multiple offenders of high offences..imho

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To be honest, this is solely why I want it banned. It's already banned where I live (Australia,) but should be done worldwide. There was recently a guy who spent roughly 17 years in jail (In Australia), then, evidence came up that proved him innocent. If Australia still had the death penalty, he would've been dead.

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Murder is murder, but the state has the advantage of changing the law on a whim to make itself appear innocent. That said, no government should be allowed to have the power to arbitrarily murder one of their citizens, no matter what they've done. The moral implications of it are irrelevant, as far as I'm concerned, when faced with the simple question of trust.

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i agree that we have no right to take someones life but i still think it shouldnt be banned because really and truly, its the most fairest punishment.

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The anti-capital punishment argument relies on the assumption that we're dealing with human beings. We're not. These are animals, and they should be dealt with as animals.

If there's a mad dog killing children in the street, you don't put it in a cage - you shoot it.

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Sorry, but until you can identify the exact part of their DNA which has made them mysteriously and suddenly transform into a completely different species, they're homo-sapiens. And then you have to clearly define what constitutes an 'animal', because a lot of people would argue that all homo-sapiens are a type of animal. And if animals apparently have no value attached to their lives, I wonder if I could set to work on that list I've got stewing...

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There is no evidence whatsoever for the death penalty working as an effective deterrent. This, along with the obvious hypocrisy of taking a life because someone else took one, and the flaws in the judicial system, means a modern civilised nation cannot possibly defend any use of the death penalty.

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Danke, Doktor Goebbels!

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Human beings are still human beings no matter what they've done. Some people may view them as subhuman, but they are still undeniably human.

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Then we should talk about murderers as sub-humans in order to avoid this whole human argument as there are different views, what is human.

Death penalty reduces crime in certain location only for short time just like tougher punishments, but then it starts increasing again so defending it by being working deterrent is short-sited. However, applying death penalty has other meanings too which I regard more important: the fact that the criminal who received death penalty, is no longer there to make murders, rape kids etc. after he has got out of jail (if he hasn't got life imprisonment) and justice for the victim & his/her loved ones has happened, bringing comfort.

Though the last argument doesn't apply to all cases, some victims and/or their loved ones don't get any comfort or satisfaction about death of the criminal. That is why the court should ask from concerned people whether they think if death penalty is better than life imprisonment if death penalty is used as form of punishment.

Death penalty is big moral question which will divide people into two camps for tens, if not hundreds of years to come, just like the issue regarding guns in the USA. There's no simple answer, mostly just moral opinions: what is right and wrong.

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No. We made the mistake of classing different people as 'sub human' in the 1930s. All people are human from the day they are born until the day they die - they might commit inhuman(e) deeds, but if we start considering anybody 'sub human', it's a slippery slope.

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i agree in death penalty so that murderer may learn....so that they will realize that there's a certain penalty for them...and in that way they will get afraid of doing bad things...like what saddam did....

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It would be impossible to ban the death penalty worldwide, it would just be too hard to do.

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i think its right just so we can get rid of these people, if it doesnt deter crime or teach a lesson than lets just get rid of these people
if we dont kill them than i think we should make them work in factories or something, like how they used to make lisence plates, cause keeping a murder in prison for the rest of his life (a long time in some cases), not doing anything all all, every single day, defeats the point of him being alive almost

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Humanity is not a physical state. It is a state of heart and soul.

That is exactly Swift's point in Gulliver's Travels. The horses were people, while the Yahoo tribesmen were animals. Appearances don't matter, only your behavior.

Mind if I take a look at your statistics?

Regardless, there's a logical explanation for that.

As the Death Penalty system ages, more and more rules and red tape are applied to it, decreasing its effectiveness. So while its young its extremely effective, but once it gets corrupted and burdened, it weakens.




Take this into perspective - A murderer is in more danger of getting struck by lightning than he is of getting a lethal injection, so its no surprise there's little deterrence.

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I think the death penalty should be abolished. Any time a nation executes a criminal, no matter how atrocious his crimes were or how many he killed, that country is just sinking to his level for revenge.

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But do you trust gubment to make the distinction between humans and animals?

Frankly MA I am shocked that a libertarian such as you would put so much faith in government. :p

I think the death penalty should only be reserved for tyrants like Saddam and President Tom.

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I see no one ever listens to my "If someone Murders your Family" argument. No one ever does.

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If someone's family is murdered they are unlikely to be in a fit state to make a reasoned and objective evaluation of the situation, such as is necessary to reach a correct conclusion.

Asking how someone would feel is an appeal to let their emotions decide for them, not an argument.

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Bottom line, stop arbitrarily imposing the death penalty in certain cases and then not imposing it in others. That automatically makes it unfair and thus wrong. If you execute a man for murdering ONE person. ALL murder should be a capital offense. Only then will i agree with the death penalty. That and when it becomes publicised. Like how a good 'deterrant' should be. You dont deter people by hiding shiat and keeping it from the public view. Any people who want death need to have that death in their face. in their childrens face and as personal as possible. If you cant stomach that maybe you shouldnt be so quick to clamor for blood.

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-Its up to the jury to decide, not a government board.

-The criminal justice system does require some government power, just like any public system.

-I'm not a libertarian.

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I am glad that the death penalty is banned here and that no susceptible laymen have to decide over life and death of defendants.

A reintroduction is impossible because the death penalty would violate the German Basic Law (Constitution).
I believe that no state should have the power to kill its citizens by way of punishment.

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Hear, hear. There are better penalties than death.

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I agree, my country just chooses not to usethem. Americans are stuck between option A: Letting inmates become better criminals or B: offing them.
We got the worse turn rate for criminals anywhere in the world and its partly our societies fault. Former convicts are stigmatised to the point where they cant get decent jobs once on the outside thusly they have to return back to crime in order to sustain themselves. Youth put in prison are rarely afforded education and are instead pressured into an even MORE organized crime set behind bars and well you know where im going with this.

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I know. The death penalty is a horrible choice, but here, the alternative is really no better.

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All states are, to some extent, based on death. No political system would be possible if this rule were applied. Name one state of any size that did not result in at least some people being killed in battle, executed, mobbed, or killed in some other violent fashion.

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