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Captain Fist January 14th, 2007 09:15 PM

Re: Ban the death penalty
 
I see no one ever listens to my "If someone Murders your Family" argument. No one ever does.

Emperor Benedictine January 14th, 2007 09:23 PM

Re: Ban the death penalty
 
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Originally Posted by Ihaterednecks (Post 3484446)
I see no one ever listens to my "If someone Murders your Family" argument. No one ever does.

If someone's family is murdered they are unlikely to be in a fit state to make a reasoned and objective evaluation of the situation, such as is necessary to reach a correct conclusion.

Asking how someone would feel is an appeal to let their emotions decide for them, not an argument.

Roaming East January 14th, 2007 09:24 PM

Re: Ban the death penalty
 
Bottom line, stop arbitrarily imposing the death penalty in certain cases and then not imposing it in others. That automatically makes it unfair and thus wrong. If you execute a man for murdering ONE person. ALL murder should be a capital offense. Only then will i agree with the death penalty. That and when it becomes publicised. Like how a good 'deterrant' should be. You dont deter people by hiding shiat and keeping it from the public view. Any people who want death need to have that death in their face. in their childrens face and as personal as possible. If you cant stomach that maybe you shouldnt be so quick to clamor for blood.

Joe Bonham January 15th, 2007 08:58 AM

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But do you trust gubment to make the distinction between humans and animals?

Frankly MA I am shocked that a libertarian such as you would put so much faith in government. :p
-Its up to the jury to decide, not a government board.

-The criminal justice system does require some government power, just like any public system.

-I'm not a libertarian.

Mephistopheles January 15th, 2007 10:35 AM

Re: Ban The Death Penalty
 
I am glad that the death penalty is banned here and that no susceptible laymen have to decide over life and death of defendants.

A reintroduction is impossible because the death penalty would violate the German Basic Law (Constitution).
I believe that no state should have the power to kill its citizens by way of punishment.


Mastershroom January 15th, 2007 10:40 AM

Re: Ban The Death Penalty
 
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Originally Posted by Mephistopheles (Post 3485430)
I believe that no state should have the power to kill its citizens by way of punishment.

Hear, hear. There are better penalties than death.

Roaming East January 15th, 2007 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus of Suburbia (Post 3485448)
Hear, hear. There are better penalties than death.

I agree, my country just chooses not to usethem. Americans are stuck between option A: Letting inmates become better criminals or B: offing them.
We got the worse turn rate for criminals anywhere in the world and its partly our societies fault. Former convicts are stigmatised to the point where they cant get decent jobs once on the outside thusly they have to return back to crime in order to sustain themselves. Youth put in prison are rarely afforded education and are instead pressured into an even MORE organized crime set behind bars and well you know where im going with this.

Mastershroom January 15th, 2007 11:05 AM

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I know. The death penalty is a horrible choice, but here, the alternative is really no better.

Joe Bonham January 16th, 2007 04:14 PM

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A reintroduction is impossible because the death penalty would violate the German Basic Law (Constitution).
I believe that no state should have the power to kill its citizens by way of punishment.

All states are, to some extent, based on death. No political system would be possible if this rule were applied. Name one state of any size that did not result in at least some people being killed in battle, executed, mobbed, or killed in some other violent fashion.

AlDaja January 16th, 2007 05:43 PM

Re: Ban The Death Penalty
 
Maybe the death penalty should be banned – hell many states (like mine) have it but rarely use it – and often those who are sentenced to death windup dying in jail of old age due to appeal after appeal. What is the point of having a death penalty if it is not used – I doubt there has only been three serious offenses (number of cases for death penalty) in my state. There is just too much legal mumbo-jumbo getting in the way of what needs to be done to send a message to heinous offenders of which there are hundreds if not thousands spread across this country. If the death penalty is not seriously being used, I suggest a baseball bat. I’d guarantee the fear of getting the shit beat out of you by the victims family is much more frightening than a needle in the arm or the chair, cause chances are you might live long enough to endure some semblance of what the victim and the family had/has to go through.:smack:


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