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why do westerners think so highly of themselves, when the western world has thugs walking streets, too much sordid sex, single mothers, homosexuals, people who value material things over life.

why are you so proud of such degrading traits?

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Western society is corrupt.

It is driven by wealth, and the desire for personal fortune, leading to some of the grossest scenes outside of McDonalds.

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it is nice you see it for what it is

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i see nothing wrong with rational self-interest. it is a natural evolutionary drive.

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No offence but I call this jelousy (sp?).

The western society is better. (you can neg rep me if you want)
I am proud of this so called degradation because it makes life better and easier.

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jealous of violent criminals, meaningless sex and greed?

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Let me put it this way....it's better than the alternative.
Also, most of the things you mentioned are not necessarily bad and a matter of opinion.
You seem to take your own opinion for fact.

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Exactly what I ment for jelousy.

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So there is no violent crime outside western countries?
Define meaningless sex.

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Greed is what has made the western world as dominat as it is. What incentive is to invent something if you won't make a killing off of it? Sex something that fun to do, and gives you a rush like a drug, but it is legal.

I love western society. I can go and clog my arteries on some tasty McDonalds at 3am. I can easily get ahold of nearly any drug. All I need is a few bucks and some good words to get laid.

Now I am going to rant about eastern society. If you think we are screwed up, look in your own front yard. You got a pedophiles paradise in south east asia. In china, if you are the first born child and a girl you are either going to get thrown out on the street, killed, or sent away to a orphanage. Asians can't use birth control properly, and as a result you got 1/3 of the world's people. Asia is the homeland of many terrorist organzations. %90 of the world's opium is grown in Asia. You have kids drying becuase they spend 50 hours in front of a computer. People die on a daily basis in chinese factories while earning only enough to keep themselves alive.

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i was never thrown out on street, killed or sent to orphanage, my parents love me, my father would get me everything i wanted when i was growing up

also what is that picture of yours, thati s a strange sandwich!

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Greed, I would argue, alleviates poverty not creates it.

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Well, you are in the minority then.
^^That sentence made me want to listen to a Green Day song :)

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i dont think i am, growing up i had a TV, a home just like all my friends families did, i did not talk to poor people and farmers, those are the people you are thinking of

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So I assume your parents are fine with killing off their family name? China has a one child law for parents. If you don't have a boy then chinese parents do whatever they can to try and get a boy. I have seen plenty of adopted chinese girls, but not a single boy.

And what do you say about the goverment forcing people to abort their kids?

I assume your dad was a ranking member of the communist party. The only way you could see this fourm and have all those nice things is if you are part of the communist aristoracy.

maybe farmer and the factory workers you always talk about disown girls as they are old fashioned and backwords, but all the people i know love child if boy or girl

abortion is needed to stop population going out of control, however if you have enough money to support a bigger family some people are allowed more than one child, i have a younger brother

both he and my mother used to be active in politics, my father was very high postion in Army and my mother high status in a female prison.

what is wrong with these jobs and what is wrong with ideals?

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No, you need stop 2 and 2 from making 4. It is easier to kill 2 and 2 separately.

Why is everyone not allowed then? You are not stopping population growth if you allow certain people to have more kids than others.

I am showing you that there is no equality before the law in china. In the US it does not matter whether you are a billionaire, politician or a bum on the street. If you break the law, you get punished for it.

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well some people have money, so they earn right for more children as they can look after better

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Because this means you are in the minority. Have you ever visited a sweat shop? Have you ever seen the rampant child prostitution that goes on in your country and it's neighbors? You've been fed only the good things about your country. You've been breed to be a "loyal" Chinese citizen. At the same time the real Chinese people starve and work themselves to death to keep the country running.

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i am sorry, but most peopel here are happy and proud to be loyal workers and people who here who say it is bad and are ungreatful deserve to be beaten with baton in my opinion

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I think you have to pay a tax for every extra child you have.

EDIT: (gosh, it looks like I am explaining how to rent movies at Blockbuster)

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That is the same as saying "Oh you have plenty of money, you can drive as fast as you want"

What do you say to the restriction of access to information by the Chinese government?

Dissent is what brought gennocider Mao(you can't hide the fact that he killed more people than hitler and stalin) to power in 1949.

They know nothing better.

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what restrictions, i can look at information on internet freely, i enjoy reading your peoples lies

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Can a farmer go to a library and acess this website?

Another example of privilege to the members of government.

:lol:

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this guy is hilarious

"beaten with baton" ? :lol:

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Not everybody in China has free access to the internet.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interne...rship_in_China
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/...in531567.shtml
http://chinese-school.netfirms.com/I...ensorship.html
http://web.amnesty.org/802568F7005C4...2004773CD?Open

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why do you think so ill of me because i am proud and patriotic, many Americans and alot of you Canadians are patriots and think the same about your country and dislike people against it, what is diffrance?

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We don't say that people who disagree with us should be beaten with a baton. You'll notice that in America you are free to say whatever you want about the government and you won't face any charges. I can find literally thousands of websites and newspapers and magazines that criticize the government.

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I think my country has a lot of things wrong with it, but at least I am free to say so.

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i have critized before and nothing happens to me, the diffrance is some people encourage terrorist actions, like you mentioned, that person wanted full reforms and destroy the great society that has been built

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This makes no sense :uhoh: Of course it slows population growth, if only 1 couple on 100 is allowed to have 2 or 3 children instead of 1.

1. Not all do. I believe its possible to live happy, probably much more happy, elsewere in the world.

2. It is the same in other countries, I'd say the western world is better than most places for that actually. I feel safe walking in the streets of most big north american cities, but I would be a bit afraid of walking alone in the poor areas of some south american, asian or african cities. I might get kidnapped or simply killed for 40$ dollards.

3. Nothing is wrong with sex, as long as both men and women agree to do it, which is how it work in western society (those who don't respect that are thrown in prison, and lose any reputation they had forever. rape is one of the most hated things in the west). In some countries, women do not need to agree.

4. There are single mothers and single fathers too. Thats a sad problem of course, usually the law make it so the father, even if he's not living with the mother, pays for both the mother and the child anyways. This happens to an extent that makes it completely ridiculous.

5. Homosexuals exist in ALL countries, probably in the same proportion than in the west. There are probably more declared homosexuals here, since they won't be thrown rocks at in the West, so that means in other countries there are more closet homosexuals, who will live unhappy faking to love their wifes (to look "normal") and loving another man in secret. In the West, you can do whatever you want in your bed, the state does not and shouldn't care about what happens there.

6. Most people value life over material things, we aren't all "capitalist pigs" like you seem to think we are. Even then, I'm certain a lot of the most capitalistic persons still value life over material things. However, it is true that materialism is rampant, and this can be a good or bad thing depending on the point of view.

Ahh I disagree with that ;) . She is not the chinese governement, what she says does not mean it happens. She has her opinions, and she wants the people she hate to be beaten. I have read a large number of americans who hinted they wanted to beat some democrats or liberals. The governement rarely (it happens) beats people, but the people sometimes want to see other people beaten. That happens in the West too.

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And thats exactly the point.

I may believe that my country is corrupt as well, and abit of a piss-pot, but I'm free to say so, and I can take some action towards changing it. However, its not all bad, there is alot of good. You just have to take the rough with the smooth.

I wouldnt trade that right for anything.

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Because usually amero-europeans don' t beat people for their opinions. Not pubblically at least.

Looks like a washing-machine soap commercial.

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THe difference is that The US and Canada are modern countries, where the people are free and equal before the law, poverty is extremely low compared to, say, China, and the standard of living is extremely high. Although i don't approve of every aspect of Western Civilization or the US in
particular, they have indefinetly more reasons to be patriotic than someone from China. China is a backwards country, with a corrupt totalitarian government and rampant poverty. There is nothing to be proud of.

In another note, i strongly oppose nationalism anywhere and of any country, some just have it justified better than others.

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beating people with terrorist leaning was my opinion remember, you do know what opinon means, or are you stupid?

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Great. Another "my cuntry iz beter than ur cuntry" thread. Hello Melee, goodbye rational/intelligent discussion. This thread is about as important as this greasy shit I'm going to take...

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Everyone is supposed to be equal under communism. The government is hypocritical. They say the farmers who need the kids can't have more than one, yet the government officials, who have no need for them can have as many as they want.

You are part of the government though.

Encouraging people to overthrow the chains of opression is terrorism?

Fighting with a propaganda machine is fun jeffo:p



If china was a great society, why do you have so many problems?

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He wanted a democratic government where the people run the country instead of a few dictators. What is so wrong with that?Tell me, what would happen if you went outside right now with a bullhorn and then started talking about how the government should be more democratic and free. How long would it take for you to be thrown in jail, or thrown face down into a ditch?Because that is what happens in China, that is what happens in North Korea as well, it also happens in many other places. But not in the West. In the west we are free to call for anything we want, so long as it isn't violent.

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I disagree. Someone can be proud of many things in China. Its a beautiful country, with a rich history that has done great achievements. Even if it is done at a great price, China is also the fastest growing country in the moment. The people there have plenty of reasons to be patriotic if they feel like it.

Well, he meant that our governements don't beat people (they do, of course, but to a lesser extent). When it comes to opinion, a lot of people in the West want to see other people beaten, to think otherwise is foolish.

I know that, and it doesn't change the fact that what you said made no sense :p

She didn't specify what terrorists she is talking about. She might've been talking about islamic terrorists, there are some of those in China too (Sinkiang is muslim, isn't it?).

What would happen if you went outside, took a horn and started shouting sexual content in a conservative U.S. town?

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farmers need more children for them to add to more useless farming and factory work?, to just work so you in America can buy silly materialistic things?, America is our biggest trade partner, where are your ideals then, all what you say doesnt matter when you get all the things you say are so great to have


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no, i am not active in politics and i have my own views, i am training during job in police, so i am part of the government in that way as i uphold law


no, they want to destroy society and when in power they really will work people to death as these people care about money, these people will join America in their unlawful wars if their idea of government was in power


every society has problems

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oil and water guys...that's all I have to say otherwise your just...:banghead: with her.

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One, two, three, WHAT?! Useless factory work? Where do you think your goods come from? I understand now you are in a family of rich communists (which are like poor millionares) and get everything you want but I am going to tell you something: the production is E-S-S-E-N-T-I-A-L. Of course China export a lot but we pay. You don' t give us your goods for free.

Then why on earth did you start this thread in the first place?!

I didn' t smoke during forum conversation since... uff... a long time! I am lighting up my second cig now.

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No as a collective us gals and gents in the free world are attempting to point out that freedom to express and think is what makes us human as opposed to drones.:assimilate:

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but i think freely, yet you critisize me

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because we are wealthier. we dount subsidense farm, or struggle to put food on our plates, diseases arent born here. in china, well asia is dirty, underdeveloped, with low standards of living. SARs, bird flu, all coming from asia. asia is between africa and the west in terms of development.
well here is the reason.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...elopment_Index

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Oh joy, another my country is better then your country thread....

I don't think highly of myself, lol not a lot of thugs were I live, I like how in every topic/thread you always have to say Homosexuals in it...

Here a good question for you!

You think your country is better then ours? How is that your streets are packed with people, Due to over population the Chinese Gov't is only allowing 1 kid per house. Humm you say we have sex a lot eh? What about your country, a little too much sex to make it over populated?

Oh before I forget how about China is systematically destroying the Tibetan identity and solidarity.... so before you start ranting n about the great China and try to bash other countries, just remeber we can find faluts with your own country.

why are you so proud of such degrading traits?

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most sex is decent longterm lovers making love, not going out to have sex with anyone

tibet was backwards, its culture was inferior and now we help to modernize it and many are ungreatful

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oh I see you help it by destroying the Tibetan identity and solidarity? Oh I see now why tibet loves china *NOT*, do you really think a cutlure wants your Gov't impossing its rules and way of life on the tibets?

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why do you support tibet, i bet you agree with the terrorists there

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simple, no culture deserves to be oppressed...They were peaceful till China invaded there country. I wouldn't blame them for doing what they are doing, after all China is destory there way of life.