why do westerners think so highly of themselves, when the western world has thugs walking streets, too much sordid sex, single mothers, homosexuals, people who value material things over life.
why are you so proud of such degrading traits?
Well overlooking the fact that deviancy is not an inherently Western trait for a moment.
We are proud not of the presence of these things but of overcoming them. There is nothing to be gained from a world without conflict. Where is the use of living in paradise and then dying; where is the challenge; the fun; where is the chance for development of the soul and society if there is never any challenge?
The only things worth gaining are those born in conflict. We do not grow strong, we do not develop, and we do not change at all if our ideals and needs and wants are never contrasted against something.
If the collective values of our society were so strong that these things did not happen it is true that we would not have the criminals, the sexual deviants; but we also would not have our philosophers and idealists.
In order that the idealist, whose ideas transcend his time can exist it is necessary that the criminal, whose ideas are bellow his time exist.
Show me a society without crime and I’ll show you a society on its way to stagnation, and stagnant societies tend to die if they don't change.
Fourtunately, or unfourtunately depending upon your perspective, Non-Western socities are changing, and we do indeed find the measures of deviancy you described in your post present within them.
Asia has the most Socialist countries on the planet (to my knowledge).
dude... thats not inherently bad...
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"New" China (not the Real China, you know.. Taiwan), is controlling the knowledge of its citizens with no alternative.
cite? not questioning it, just wanted elaboration
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so upholding law is just FEAR?
No, your specific use of discipline and capital punishment is fear. And not just "fear." Its propaganda and closed-minded. It acts against people who merely have a dissenting opinion and the suppression of said ideas and the people who voice them. Its the same as killing you for supporting China. The US do that? Nope. (okay maybe sometimes, but thats under Bush)
Free will is what truly sets man apart from the beasts. Would you really advocate taking that away? If yes, then THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA WOULDN'T EXIST. The foundation of your culture is based upon Mao Zedung, who was once one of those "terrorists" and "rioters." Only difference was the Soviets backed him.
In the tranquil landscape, and especially in the distant line of the horizon, man beholds somewhat as beautiful as his own nature.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
thats awful thing to say, im not a bad person, you cannot mean such a thing
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No, your specific use of discipline and capital punishment is fear. And not just "fear." Its propaganda and closed-minded. It acts against people who merely have a dissenting opinion and the suppression of said ideas and the people who voice them. Its the same as killing you for supporting China. The US do that? Nope. (okay maybe sometimes, but thats under Bush)
Technically, the ROC, Republic of China (The same China that was part of the Allies in WW2, ect) only has power in Taiwan and surrounding islands, after Mao took power, if I remember Taiwan isn't even in the U.N. due to everyone judging PROC more prominantly as China, sux2b not Socialist, I've always liked Taiwan better (obvious reasons, they don't threaten their citizens, for instance).
Our main testing examined 203,217 web sites drawn from categories other than sexually explicit content. We seeded this list of sites from multiple sources. For example, we extracted from Yahoo all web sites in certain categories (including those specifically about education, entertainment, news, major world governments, and politics) as well as all sites in the non-English regional versions of Yahoo that specifically concern China and Taiwan. We conducted searches on terms likely to yield sensitive results and thus candidates for blocking, both in English and in Chinese, using the Google search engine, and placed the top results into our list of URLs to test. We tracked approximately 5,000 additional sites submitted to our Real-Time Testing System through September 2002, and we received email suggestions of further sites to test. The result of these data sources was a list of 203,217 distinct host names. Using the definition of "blocked" specified above, we found that a total of 18,931 of these sites (9.3%) were blocked in China. Given the large number of sites blocked, we have organized our listing of specific blocked pages into highlights -- some blocked pages that are well known or otherwise of possible interest -- followed by the full list. Where available, each page's listing includes its HTML title, its META keywords and description, and its Yahoo Directory and Google Directory classifications. These details are as retrieved in November 2002.
Dissident/democracy sites. Blocked sites includes sites about democracy and human rights generally and sites specific to China. Of the top 100 sites returned by Google in response to a search for "democracy china," 40 were found to be blocked, while 37 "dissident china" sites were blocked, 32 were blocked for "freedom china," and 30 for "justice china." Specific blocked sites included Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the Hong Kong Voice of Democracy, the Direct Democracy Center, and dozens of Falun Gong and Falun Dafa sites.
Health. Blocked sites included sites about health generally and about health in China specifically. Of the top 100 Google results for "hunger china," 24 were blocked; for "famine china" 23; for "AIDS china" 21; for "sex china" 19; for "disease china" 14. Specific blocked sites included the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, the Internet Mental Health reference, and the Health in China research project. We found blocking of a total of 139 sites listed in Yahoo's Health directory categories and subcategories.
Education. Blocked sites included a number of well-known institutions of higher education, including the primary web servers operated by Caltech, Columbia, MIT, and the University of Virginia. Blocked non-university sites included the Learning Channel, the Islamic Virtual School, the Music Academy of Zheng, and the web sites of dozens of public and private primary and secondary schools. We further found evidence of blocking of 696 sites listed in Yahoo's Education directory categories and subcategories.
News. The BBC News was consistently unreachable, while CNN, Time Magazine, PBS, the Miami Herald, and the Philadelphia Inquirer were also often unavailable. Of Google's top 100 results for news, 42 were blocked. We further found evidence of blocking of 923 sites listed in Yahoo's News and Media directory categories and subcategories. Nonetheless, some news sites that were previously blocked became accessible during the course of our testing; for example, Reuters was blocked through April 29, but was subsequently accessible, while the Washington Post was blocked through May 6 and was subsequently accessible. This reduction in blocking of entire news sites may reflect that certain new filtering technologies (discussed in greater detail in the appendix) allow blocking only of the particular sections and articles that are particularly controversial in China. As a result, our results should not be taken to suggest that every Washington Post article is now accessible in China.
Government sites. Blocked sites included a variety of sites operated by governments in Asia and beyond. As discussed below, government sites of Taiwan and Tibet were targeted specifically. Also blocked was the entirety of uscourts.gov, including the many federal district and appellate courts in the United States, as well as the United Kingdom's Court Service and Israel's Judicial Authority. The communication sites of various governments were blocked, including the United States' Voice of America, as well as travel sites from Australia, Israel, Korea, Switzerland, and Wales. Government military department sites were also blocked, including the US Department of Defense, though others remained reachable (the CIA). A variety of additional government sites were blocked, without manifest pattern, both in the United States and beyond; examples include the site of Seattle's King County, the main Australian Federal Government index site, the Philippines Bureau of Customs, the British Insolvency Service, the Office of the Governor of Makkah in Saudi Arabia, and the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia. Blocked sites included 516 sites in Yahoo's categories and subcategories pertaining to governments.
Taiwanese and Tibetan sites generally. Blocked sites included business sites (like the A&D Company of Taiwan), non-commercial sites (the Taiwan Health Clinic and a total of 709 .edu.tw sites, as well as the Voice of Tibet), and government sites (the Office of the President of Taiwan and the Taiwanese Parliamentary Library among 936 other Taiwanese government sites, and the Official Website of the Tibetan Government in Exile). More than 60% of Google's top 100 "Tibet" sites were found to be blocked, and more than 47% of the top "Taiwan" sites were blocked. Taiwanese content was also blocked disproportionately, relative to its representation in our testing sample; fully 3,284 .TW sites (13.4% of .TW sites tested) were blocked, while our overall block rate was approximately 9.3%. (Of course, comparisons of block rates must be performed with care given the subjective formation of the list of sites tested. For lack of a domain name specifically associated with Tibetan sites, it is more difficult to perform such a comparison on the block rate of Tibetan content.)
Entertainment. Blocked sites included the movie Deep Impact, the Canadian Music Centre, the Taiwanese site of MTV (mtv.com.tw) and multiple sites providing off-color jokes. We also found blocking of a total of 451 sites in Yahoo's categories and subcategories pertaining to Entertainment.
I'm betting this is a new "Jeff and Eddie", or just a rather sad example of how the glorious People's republic of china's propaganda machine effects people.
Either way, you are simply trying to argue with a brick wall. Selective quoting, blatant ignoring will ensure any point you guys manage to make will be futile, thus making the whole thread.. pointless. This concludes todays service anouncement.
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Technically, the ROC, Republic of China (The same China that was part of the Allies in WW2, ect) only has power in Taiwan and surrounding islands, after Mao took power, if I remember Taiwan isn't even in the U.N. due to everyone judging PROC more prominantly as China, sux2b not Socialist, I've always liked Taiwan better (obvious reasons, they don't threaten their citizens, for instance).
I'm confused... what are you addressing
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it is just upholding laws
And if the laws are unjust and need to be changed?
Once again, thats what Mao did/thought.
The law can't be a justification because the law is what must be justified. If one questions the law, the law can't defend itself. It needs other concepts to protect it.
they endorse people who want to kill chinese citizens
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Amnesty International, the US DoD, France, Taiwan, and the Asian American Baptist Church are all anti-communist and terrorist supporters? And brainwashers? Well, why the !@#$%^ haven't we nuked you guys yet??? If we have nukes, and love to kill Chinese people, we could do it any time we wanted to. But guess what? We don't. Its impossible to explain how deeply this defends Western society.
In the tranquil landscape, and especially in the distant line of the horizon, man beholds somewhat as beautiful as his own nature.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
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