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Listen... the West is almost exclusively made up of stable democracy, with highly debated policies and freedoms.

The East still has communism and dictatorships in large numbers (although some Western nations do have that, not as many). For example... China. It is a one party system, full of oppresion and misery.

We are more enlightened in general.

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Your posts reek of irony and you portray yourself as a hypocrite.

You make assumptions and your opinions are not yours but your mother's.

I bet you think i'm from America, don't you?

Get a mind of your own.

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you live in England, i can read

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Don't be so silly.

You are so brainwashed, you do know there is charity and religion here don't you?

There are police, charitable organisations, big debates over the morality of things, appeals here

We are not that much diffrent, only in eastern world people seem to think of the west as one big corrupt company, and stereotype westerners alot (if you are anything to go by, anyway).

:D

Also, may I say your English is very good for a Chinese person.

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Your moral basis doesn't seem to be any more secure than those of most Western people, you swear, you insult, you even act in violation of binding legal agreements. Trying to take a morally superior position doesn't help when you act at the same level as most other people.

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Probably because she's a third-generation immigrant in Virginia.:lookaround:

Reminds me of the Vietnam war. The Westerners who thought North Vietnam was a wonderful had never actually BEEN there, and if the few who did had spent their stay in ritzy hotels, with no contact with the normal people.

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As noted many times before, she is a very selective reader. On another note, does this remind anyone else of the Matrix?

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Wow! Actually it does - good call Zab.:p

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but all of you select read!

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Ahem... example(s)?

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i tihnk the real reason you all hate me is because i am chinese and you dislike us as we are not the same as you, that is only explenation why you are all so on attacking form towards me

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No, I just don't like Commies, select readers, or sheep.

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Debating hint: saying omgz yur culture and society suks! Isn't a great way to win allies in the argument. ;)

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No, that isn't true. I do not hate you. It's only that you came telling us blatant lies and half truths about the countries in which we live, while portraying China as some sort of utopia. We tell you that it is not, and you respond denying everything.

Nevertheless, as I said above, I do not hate you. Not at all. :) I prefer to think of this as discussion and education than attacking. But whatever.

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what is wrong with communist beliefs?

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Actually, I'd rather like to know that as well.

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Same thing that is wrong with all beliefs that defy human nature and common sense. ;)

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Oh sorry, I thought we were wondering about communism. My bad. :rolleyes:

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You know, J.Edgar Hoower would totally looove this thread...

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So would McCarthy. :p

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That is like asking "What is wrong with theft?"

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Or "what is wrong with property".

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I don't understand your cut and dry logic though. Just because a person believes in a political ideology you don't believe in, that makes them a horrible individual? Just because she is Communist doesn't make her a sheep or a select reader. There are Capitalist sheeple who are select readers too...

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I was kind of joking with the commie part, hence the reason I said commie and not communist. And I never said being communist makes here a select reader or a sheep, I said she is a commie, a select reader, AND a sheep. They are unrelated.

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so you think i am a horrible person then, what have i done to be deserving of that?

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Yes, but she has made it evident through this thread, and replies to her posts alone that she deals with things of her choice (to a "convenient" degree).

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I have to agree, when reading your answers Look at that!, I'm thinking that you most likely started this thread to piss people off.
What you do is condemning the whole western society. 99% of all people in this forum where born and raised in the western society. We who live here, love it.
Is it 100% perfect?
Of course not, we have our fair share of problems.
But believe me, so does China. I don't know how much the media reports inside China, but something tells me that you only get half the news.
On the other hand, I can understand that you defend China and its ideals. I'm positive that your goverment are watching this place, like they do with all big places on the internet, so of course its in your best interest that you write as positive as possible about China, even though that every body here knows that you deep inside know that your system in China is far from being the best.
I suggest you apply for that paper that gives you permission to leave the country (which is something we don't have to, since we can travel freely where ever we want) and take a trip around the world to see what there is on other places.
My guess it that you most likely never will return to the place you call your home country.

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Yes, but at least in a free society you have the option free thinking. While in China you're spoon fed the state ideology from birth, so you have to be a sheeple like it or not.

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heres what I think, I think this thread is about points of view. Like for an example I could claim Canada is the best place to live, or other could claim there country is the best place live also. We all know that GF brings in differnet people around the world, so each of them will have there own points of view about there country, Gov't and people.

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Never said you were a horrible person, I'm sure you are atleast a decent enough human being. I just think you've been blinded by Chinese propaganda. I don't hold it against you, for anyone can be turned into a sheep when the government has such a heavy hand. In the U.S. we know th joys of almost unlimited knowledge at our fingertips. We can access just about any kind of information, and any point of view we want, thus enriching our knowledge. The West is like a mountain top. Not in that we are higher or better then others, but in that we can see everything that goes on in the world around us. Unfortunately when you fall from a mountain, it is a long way down.

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This forum certainly isn't censored in China, since she is not the only Chinese member here.

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hey I don't hate you I love a good argument, beside chinese people rock, like come on Sonic the Hedgehog, Xbox 360, PS3, Wii China has given us great things and good cars, hot women, like jeez ya have to understand some people love to have a good argument, have of the time it merly opens our minds to new things

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Do you deny the average person has more freedom in America than in China?

Also, that "you are not so smart" wasn't really necessary.

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I have access to millions of opinions worldwide. I've looked at EVERY side of the issue, and I've come to the conclusion that democracy and capitalism are better. And just so you know I used to be a communist:D

However, your government denies you access to some sides of the story. All you have to do is look at the list of banned websites and you can plainly see that is the case.

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And you hate us because we are free, and different from you.

Nope. I can tell you with %100 certainty that we have not had a single person from china on these forums. It is very easy to fake your location behind the veil of the Internet. I could say I am a 46 year old woman living in Chechnya, and most of you would belive me.

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What do you know, china does let filefront through.

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there is a saying in during czech communism, "if you dount cheat the government, you cheat your family".
im pretty sure you all can figure out what that means.

oh and look at that, not everyone in the west is pro democratic. some are communists, some socialists, and some facists. they are all allowed to hold their opineon. we dount get persicuted for it.

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Socialism not being democratic? Yea right

You mix capitalism with democracy there

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so America has communists?, thats so nice

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Yup, we got Canada's marxist leninist party, Same goes for America.

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We got about 2 of them. The rest either went off to mother russia to live out their dream, or McCarthy got them during his short stint of witch trials, which is like saying, "hey i want some sod", and dig a 40 foot deep hole. Hey may have got a few, but he got a ton of innocent people. Communists are not popular in the US. We fought them for 45 years.

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did this McCarthy persecuted communist visionaries?

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yup just as the chinese persicuted democratic visionaries, and the soviet union killed democratic visionaries. this was during the cold war, it was stict, democracy vs. communism. in the end democracy won and communism fell. communism is not a good thing, my parents escaped from communist czechoslovakia. it held back the advancement of nations for 50 years.
china is not a true communist state, it is pretty capitalist. thats why all cheap stuff is made in china.

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China's better at some of these things (less of a divorce rate, I hear), equally bad at other, and worse at yet other. It's funny to hear you complain about the US's bums when Red China's such a nation of poverty.

As for homosexuality being an unnatural, evil degrading deed of Mortal Sin, let's see if your Beloved Leader blocks this:D.

Strawman. We aren't proud of homelessness, excess materialism, and other problems of society.

The jealousy card is a too easy one to play, asks you me, and jealousy is obviously not the driving factor here.

Lucky you. Doesn't change the fact that it's reality for other people, though.

All I can say is that I've got a six-year old cousin adopted from China. Guess the gender.

Actually, it matters to the extreme whether or not you're a billionaire or a bum living on the street. If I slap a low-class Hispanic kid living in the slums, nothing's going to happen to me, whereas if I slap a rich, spoiled ole white kid with a lawyer papa, I'm liable to get sued for "malicious assault".

Not to mention, of course, that if you're at the wrong place at the wrong time, you risk getting sent off to Guantánamo and tortured (Tipton Three) - with the torturers getting the active support of the neo-conservative voters.

Sorry to say so, but to say that everyone's equal in the States is a rather ridiculous statement.

First of all, far from all people in China are "happy" and "proud to be loyal workers". Second off, dissent is a cornerstone of democracy.

How many people die in your coal mines each year? 3000? Do you think those workers in their dark, safety-devoid mines are "happy to be loyal workers"? Are they "ungrateful" if they want to not be sent into black mines where the participants face a higher death risk than the debaters in an average Creationism/Evolution Thread?

Maybe you can. But try going down to an Internet Cafe behind the Great Firewall of China and search for "Free Tibet", and it's a different story. Better hightail it out of there, though, I wouldn't be surprised if the authorities trace your search.

:0wned:

WarHawk, you have your moments:smokin:.

Well, there are those of you who call the FBI when you hear someone criticize Bush, and there are those of you who tell dissenters to move to Canada, but for the most part, that holds true. Heck, even anarchistic web sites go free in the States, Canada, and most of Europe.

Right. Everyone knows the best country in the world is Norway. Now everyone repeat it after me and we can all go home and sleep:smokin:.

(:p)

Some more severe than others.

Whereas I'm sure you Chinese were very grateful when the British colonized you.

Is it old news? Is it irrelevant? If I go down to Tiananmen today and start a similar demonstration, will I be safe there or will the tanks rear their ugly heads once more? And more importantly, were the soldiers and their commanders ever brought to justice?

They were not starting a riot, they were carrying out a peaceful demonstration. And even if they were rioting, don't you agree rolling in tanks and gunning down 400+ of them might qualify as "excessive force"?

"Upholding the law" isn't always justifiable. The Nazi party were "just upholding the law" when they executed Sophie Scholl for spreading propaganda leaflets. The US authorities were "just upholding the law" when they arrested Rosa Park for refusing to get off her bus.

"Upholding the law" and "committing acts violating basic humans rights" are not always mutually exclusive.

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Damn your a rude. I wouldn't go and insult your family like that. For a member of a country that prides itself on honor and respect, you sure have a mouth.

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Don't you understand?

The purpose of governments is to maintain peace, stability and happiness of their citizens, not to threaten them into making it a power.

As far as I'm concerned, a government with happy citizens is much much better than any with a place on the top 5 exports, or the greatest military.

Let alone the fact that you know NOTHING about communism the Czechs faced I'm sure, but just because you have a "point" to defend, you have to go out and offend people just to defend your precious governmental beliefs.

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he was rude to me

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stop saying that and make a real argument. jeez.

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china is in UN and sends help worldwide, do you know this?

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so is the rest of the world, and they should send help considering they are the second richest nation in the world. yes i know this, so does america. even north korea with its crazy leader is part of the UN.
oh ya and the only reason that china is rich is because the US opened it up to the global market. without us china would still be a country of farmers. you probobly didnt learn this.