FileFront Forums

FileFront Forums (http://forums.filefront.com/)
-   The Pub (http://forums.filefront.com/pub-578/)
-   -   Western Society (http://forums.filefront.com/pub/292174-western-society.html)

Nemmerle December 10th, 2006 04:44 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419508)
i uphold laws, i am good

there are many more hopeful future police in the communist youth league

communism is not a shameful thing at all

i agree with alot of it

But not all of it.
If you don't agree with all of it then there must be things you think are wrong with it. But rather than protesting against them and trying to get them changed you simply enforce existing laws, laws that by their very nature support the parts of communism that you don't agree with.

To think one thing and do another does not make you a good person, it just makes you someone unwilling to stand up for the right thing.

Look at that! December 10th, 2006 04:44 PM

Re: Western Society
 
:lookaround:
Quote:

Originally Posted by czech speacial forces (Post 3419509)
:lol: yes peace sites that want to preserve life are terrorists, brainwashing and anti-communist and they want to kill chinese?
BBC news wants to kill chinese?
UN news, news from organization that tries to bring peace to the world. terrorists?
you need help. maybe a reeducation program.

see this is what i mean, you humor me, you have no respect, here somebody would not disrespect police in such a way

Look at that! December 10th, 2006 04:46 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemmerle (Post 3419511)
But not all of it.
If you don't agree with all of it then there must be things you think are wrong with it. But rather than protesting against them and trying to get them changed you simply enforce existing laws, laws that by their very nature support the parts of communism that you don't agree with.

To think one thing and do another does not make you a good person, it just makes you someone unwilling to stand up for the right thing.

but i do stand up for the right thing

it is a duty, if the law states somebody is a criminal they must be showed justice

Nemmerle December 10th, 2006 04:46 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419512)
:lookaround:

see this is what i mean, you humor me, you have no respect, here somebody would not disrespect police in such a way

Tell me, if people in your coutry would not disrespect police in such a way why do you need guns and handcuffs and training.
If people hold you in such high regard then you would have no crime for simply telling people not to break the law would be enough. All legal professions base their continued existence off of the fact that a lot of people do not hold them, or the law, in high regard.

BladeV2 December 10th, 2006 04:47 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419512)
:lookaround:
here somebody would not disrespect police in such a way

Maybe saying that Amnesty International wants to kill Chinese people warrants such disrespect. Thats what's so great about western society. We've accepted that no one is infallible. Even the State has its faults.

Nemmerle December 10th, 2006 04:48 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419516)
but i do stand up for the right thing

it is a duty, if the law states somebody is a criminal they must be showed justice

And if one day the law changes and states that you are a criminal for supporting communism in the past, (such revolutions have occurred in the past after all) would you suddenly become in the wrong; in need of being shown this, 'justice?'
That something is the law does not make it just.

Look at that! December 10th, 2006 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemmerle (Post 3419517)
Tell me, if people in your coutry would not disrespect police in such a way why do you need guns and handcuffs and training.
If people hold you in such high regard then you would have no crime for simply telling people not to break the law would be enough. All legal professions base their continued existence off of the fact that a lot of people do not hold them, or the law, in high regard.

because if somebody steps out ofline, like smuggles drugs, they should be executed, see, it is justified and if some violent tibetans make a protest wanting a riot, beating them is just as they want to harm innocent people

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemmerle (Post 3419524)
And if one day the law changes and states that you are a criminal for supporting communism in the past, (such revolutions have occurred in the past after all) would you suddenly become in the wrong; in need of being shown this, 'justice?'
That something is the law does not make it just.

how would i be made a criminal, even if rules changed?

i just do what im supposed to do and am told

Nemmerle December 10th, 2006 04:51 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419525)
because if somebody steps out ofline, like smuggles drugs, they should be executed, see, it is justified and if some violent tibetans make a protest wanting a riot, beating them is just as they want to harm innocent people

These people who step out of line do not respect the police, drug smugglers, rioters, etc. Do you really think they have respect for you?
You said that people in your country would not disrespect the police in such a way, clearly that isn't the case. You have your deviants the same as everyone else.

BladeV2 December 10th, 2006 04:52 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

beating them is just as they want to harm innocent people
Did you ever think that it goes the other way? The Tibetans have never said "we want to kill people." China, on the other hand, has empirically done so. Did you read any of the statistics? It seems like the Chinese government is the terrorist organization here.

Quote:

how would i be made a criminal, even if rules changed?
How about if the government was overthrown? What if all the rules changed and all former Maoists were told to be executed. Then what?
Not even something that extreme... What if being a female police officer was made a criminal activity? Or even using the Internet and engaging with Westerners?

Primarch Vulkan December 10th, 2006 04:53 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419525)
because if somebody steps out ofline, like smuggles drugs, they should be executed, see, it is justified and if some violent tibetans make a protest wanting a riot, beating them is just as they want to harm innocent people

Why are they Rioting mabey beacuse your Gov't is forceing there laws and way of life down there throats? ah yes if talking to them doesn't, hell just beat the shit outta of them eh, that China's way of life, beating people.


ps stop double posting...use the edit botton

Look at that! December 10th, 2006 04:53 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemmerle (Post 3419530)
These people who step out of line do not respect the police, drug smugglers, rioters, etc. Do you really think they have respect for you?
You said that people in your country would not disrespect the police in such a way, clearly that isn't the case. You have your deviants the same as everyone else.

yes but America and your little Island both try to rehibilitate drug users, which is silly as they do the same again, while we rightly execute them

Afterburner December 10th, 2006 04:53 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419527)
i just do what im supposed to do and am told

Then this is a worthless discussion. We aren't really talking to you at all, we are talking to Chinese propaganda.

Primarch Vulkan December 10th, 2006 04:54 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419538)
yes but America and your little Island both try to rehibilitate drug users, which is silly as they do the same again, while we rightly execute them

Do they get a trail or do you just pull your gun out shoot them we're they stand? What is this little island your talking about US has no island...well that I'm aware off

Look at that! December 10th, 2006 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afterburner (Post 3419539)
Then this is a worthless discussion. We aren't really talking to you at all, we are talking to Chinese propaganda.

you are the propaganda, many Americans in business come here and they like it here and know that it is a great place, i get on with them and talk to them alot as my english is so good, one, a veteran from the first gulf war now understands that it is the usa who tries to force there ways upon the world, but he used to believe in such american lies

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord_Exar_Kun (Post 3419541)
Do they get a trail or do you just pull your gun out shoot them we're they stand? What is this little island your talking about US has no island...well that I'm aware off

he is from England, it is an island

Primarch Vulkan December 10th, 2006 04:58 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419545)
you are the propaganda, many Americans in business come here and they like it here and know that it is a great place, i get on with them and talk to them alot as my english is so good, one, a veteran from the first gulf war now understands that it is the usa who tries to force there ways upon the world, but he used to believe in such american lies


perhaps one day you come to see your Gov't lies also...

Nemmerle December 10th, 2006 04:58 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419527)
how would i be made a criminal, even if rules changed?

i just do what im supposed to do and am told

That's very rarely a defence that people care for.
You may have just done what you're told, but if someone wrote a law saying that some of the things you have done were illegal do you really think they'd care whether you were doing it under orders or not?
The legal system is not a static thing linked to some universal laws of right and wrong. If you make it a god then one day it's going to turn around and cast you into hell.

Look at that! December 10th, 2006 05:00 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord_Exar_Kun (Post 3419541)
Do they get a trail or do you just pull your gun out shoot them we're they stand? What is this little island your talking about US has no island...well that I'm aware off

i am not an executioner, but i do think about training as one, that or joining the peoples armed police or motorcycle policing

Nemmerle December 10th, 2006 05:02 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419538)
yes but America and your little Island both try to rehibilitate drug users, which is silly as they do the same again, while we rightly execute them

So? It doesn't change the fact that they existed in the first place. You said that people in around where you are wouldn't disrespect the police like that. These people exist, they disrespect the police. That you kill them afterwards is not my concern.

Nostradamouse December 10th, 2006 05:03 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419545)
you are the propaganda, many Americans in business come here and they like it here and know that it is a great place, i get on with them and talk to them alot as my english is so good, one, a veteran from the first gulf war now understands that it is the usa who tries to force there ways upon the world, but he used to believe in such american lies

The USA are not the only one trying to force their ways upon the world. China does it, Pakistan does it, Russia does it, North Korea tries to do it, Japan does it, France does it, as a matter of fact, every country does or attempt to do it.

The USA are not special at all on this effect, they just have more potential to do it.

Btw about the respect towards cop, I guess you wouldn't like to know my view on that particular aspect ;) nor about respect for laws.


Ah great, now all we need is someone doing the judge, the jury and the executionner all at once! Judge the whole world!

Primarch Vulkan December 10th, 2006 05:04 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419562)
i am not an executioner, but i do think about training as one, that or joining the peoples armed police or motorcycle policing

bah you make me sick...so your try to tell what people who are caught with drugs and aren't Intitled to trial? So there just sent off to die how nice...

Afterburner December 10th, 2006 05:06 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nostradamouse (Post 3419577)
The USA are not the only one trying to force their ways upon the world. China does it, Pakistan does it, Russia does it, North Korea tries to do it, Japan does it, France does it, as a matter of fact, every country does or attempt to do it.

The USA are not special at all on this effect, they just have more potential to do it.

Btw about the respect towards cop, I guess you wouldn't like to know my view on that particular aspect ;) nor about respect for laws.

Not to mention we atleast attempt to force something that is moderately humane such as democracy/capitalism, instead of a dictatorship. You could badmouth the U.S. all you want, but I have a feeling even most anti-Americans here would agree they would rather live in the U.S. then China. Is the U.S. perfect? Hell no, but atleast you can criticize the government without being worried about being thrown in jail. I wonder how long and anarchist like Nostra or Loco would last in China? Not very long.

Look at that! December 10th, 2006 05:06 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord_Exar_Kun (Post 3419581)
bah you make me sick...so your try to tell what people who are caught with drugs and aren't Intitled to trial? So there just sent off to die how nice...

no, they are sentanced to death

shot in back of head

my mother knows, that was her job at female prison, it is a high regarded position

Primarch Vulkan December 10th, 2006 05:09 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419587)
no, they are sentanced to death

shot in back of head

my mother knows, that was her job at female prison, it is a high regarded position

A cowards death... sentanced by cowards who can't look there victim in eyes while they pull the trigger...

Look at that! December 10th, 2006 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord_Exar_Kun (Post 3419594)
A cowards death...

that is what criminals deserve

Nemmerle December 10th, 2006 05:12 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419587)
no, they are sentanced to death

shot in back of head

my mother knows, that was her job at female prison, it is a high regarded position

If people caught with drugs are sentenced to death and then shot in the back of the head then if someone were to plant drugs in your locker then you'd get shot in the back of the head despite not being responsible for them.

Primarch Vulkan December 10th, 2006 05:12 PM

Re: Western Society
 
no they don't.. your going to kill them look'em in the eyes...and stop double posting

Nostradamouse December 10th, 2006 05:13 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Afterburner (Post 3419585)
Not to mention we atleast attempt to force something that is moderately humane such as democracy/capitalism, instead of a dictatorship.

One or another, 1 forces you to do what they want, the other makes you do exactly what it wants by waay more subtle ways. In both you are tools.

Quote:

You could badmouth the U.S. all you want, but I have a feeling even most anti-Americans here would agree they would rather live in the U.S. then China.
A country or another? I'd prefer China if people could speak French over there. Compression makes it so easier to spark sometimes.

Quote:

Is the U.S. perfect? Hell no, but atleast you can criticize the government without being worried about being thrown in jail.
Still funny sometimes "cough" Mumia Abu-Jamal "cough" "cough"

Quote:

I wonder how long and anarchist like Nostra or Loco would last in China? Not very long.
You'd be surprised at how much I can blend with people around me. ;)

czech speacial forces December 10th, 2006 05:13 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419591)
dont call me a dumb bitch

i have the freedom to express my opinions. I believe its true since you are extremly narrow-minded.

Look at that! December 10th, 2006 05:13 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord_Exar_Kun (Post 3419603)
no they don't.. your going to kill them look'em in the eyes...and stop double posting

that is not procedure though

Look at that! December 10th, 2006 05:19 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by czech speacial forces (Post 3419623)
but its true. the truth is what matters.

it is not true at all, you should not call me a dumb bitch, im clever and i am not a bitch, many men say how sweet i am, they also respect that i have a firm stance on things aswell

LIGHTNING [NL] December 10th, 2006 05:19 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by czech speacial forces (Post 3419610)
i have the freedom to express my opinions.

No, you do not. Not here. If you can't agrue without calling people dumb bitches, then don't post here.

Kalessin December 10th, 2006 05:22 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419617)
[swearing at another user | actual post removed]

Did you know you've technically just broken the law?

When you signed up here you agreed to follow the rules, a legally binding agreement in China and in most of the 'Western World.'

One of these rules states

Quote:

Treat other members with the respect they deserve. This means do not flame, slander, or demean another user. Members reported for abusing another may be warned for their behaviour and will banned if they persist. This applies to the main forums, the Private Messaging and Email to a Friend facility.
Admitedly others in this same thread have violated the rules too but that's hardly an excuse. Considering your long talk about how all criminals deserve a coward's death I have to ask: Why do you think you deserve to die like a coward?

Primarch Vulkan December 10th, 2006 05:22 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419611)
that is not procedure though

A cowards death... sentanced by cowards who can't look there victim in eyes while they pull the trigger...

The Joelteon7 December 10th, 2006 05:32 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419527)
how would i be made a criminal, even if rules changed?

i just do what im supposed to do and am told

That's the same excuse the Nazi soldiers used...they were later tried for their crimes. That is a perfect example of what would happen if the "government was ovethrown overnight".

Due to my geography course, I've had to do research on China. 7 pence (£0.07 or about $0.14) a week people earn in the factories. That is somehow enough to keep the families, who live in almost box-shaped one-room "houses" (if you can call them that) alive. Those people are "obligated" to work over-time for no additional pay.

China does still however rely quite a bit on its farming, but because not all the technology is coming down to it, farming is becoming less effective every year. Those families NEED more children to maintain thier livelihood. This is a fact. Look at Mexico. The conditions aren't fantastic, but those with larger families (2 or 3 children) usually end up doing pretty well for themselves.

Does the UK have problems? Hell yes. However there is enough diversity here to allow objective opinions that are drawn from a wide array of released knowledge and common knowledge.

History is impeccably important to our education system, as well as our politics. We learn from our mistakes, but unfortuneately, I doubt China has. The Tiananmen Square riots happened in recent history, a blink of an eye in the time-frame of history, but events like that occur all the time.

As a police officer, it is your duty to uphold the CURRENT government's law and regulations, and it has been noted that in other situations, police officers have been prosecuted by a new law system by a new government.

I recommend you look at the Georgia revolution a couple of years back. The military and people stormed the government and took control for themselves. Now they have peace.

I ask you to really think about what it would be like to live your life as one of those factory workers who gets paid a pitiful amount a week and works such stringent hours. If you believe you can do it, quit the police force and try it, then come back here and say that Western civilisation is in need of BIG tune-up (it does, but not as big as it would be should you prove me wrong).

WarHawk109 December 10th, 2006 07:06 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419587)
no, they are sentanced to death

shot in back of head

my mother knows, that was her job at female prison, it is a high regarded position

This can't be real.

I'm calling hoax.

czech speacial forces December 10th, 2006 07:11 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WarHawk109 (Post 3419809)
This can't be real.

I'm calling hoax.

agreed....for once.

Reno December 10th, 2006 08:09 PM

Re: Western Society
 
I would bet money this girl, if she is a girl, is thirteen and lives with her parents in the uk or the states. There's no way someone training to be a police officer in china would be on a western gaming forum and here this long arguing this point in the halfass way she's posting.

Edit: Someone beat me to it. lmao

AlDaja December 10th, 2006 08:51 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob L. Scrachy (Post 3419813)
I would bet money this girl, if she is a girl, is thirteen and lives with her parents in the uk or the states. There's no way someone training to be a police officer in china would be on a western gaming forum and here this long arguing this point in the halfass way she's posting.

Edit: Someone beat me to it. lmao

you know your probably right, but given her so-called occupation she can probably bipass the blocks...if so then she is in violation of her rule of law and arrest herself...but I think your right she is a fake and just spamming everyone. time for the mods to tell her to pound sand and 86 her.

Akula971 December 11th, 2006 04:31 AM

Re: Western Society
 
What is the IP of this "person" from China? I don't think so. Velly Solly, you a fraud.

Nostradamouse December 11th, 2006 08:55 AM

Re: Western Society
 
I really don't wanna blow up your bubble, but she really describes how it is done in China. I've seen enough conferences on the subject to know about it.

Rich19 December 11th, 2006 09:26 AM

Re: Western Society
 
I seem to have joined this discussion a little late...

Someone (I think it was Afterburner) said a few pages back that while some people here might be slightly anti-american, they'd prefer to live in America than Chine. I totally agree - while I really disagree with most of America's policies, the brainwashing evident here is really something else. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" says nothing about "our way is the only way". Criminals CAN change, there is no need for them to be shot. And how is Amnesty international a threat to the people of China?

I also notice you cited homosexuals as a reason why the west r teh sucky china pwnz. I will ask again - WHY don't you like homosexuals? What is wrong with them?

Joe Bonham December 11th, 2006 09:47 AM

Re: Western Society
 
As Warhawk pointed out - this forum is probably censored in China - so why can she see it at all?

And if she really lived in China, she wouldn't have this dreamy eyed idealistic view of it.

Nostradamouse December 11th, 2006 09:58 AM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Machiavelli's Apprentice (Post 3420427)
As Warhawk pointed out - this forum is probably censored in China - so why can she see it at all?

And if she really lived in China, she wouldn't have this dreamy eyed idealistic view of it.

Yea I am quite surprised the forum ain't censored YET in China.


About the second part, hrmmm are you sure of what you advance? I've seen americans with dreamy eyes talking about their country's "victory" in Iraq. ;) It's just patriotism.

WarHawk109 December 11th, 2006 09:58 AM

Re: Western Society
 
oh yeah that's right, I am a anti-communist so what the heck is she doing here! can't go to places with anti-communists around! that would be breaking the law! and the law is the law so you can't break it am i right? ;)

AlDaja December 11th, 2006 10:01 AM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Machiavelli's Apprentice (Post 3420427)
As Warhawk pointed out - this forum is probably censored in China - so why can she see it at all?

And if she really lived in China, she wouldn't have this dreamy eyed idealistic view of it.

Hi Mach…and yes I tend to agree she/he claims not to have access to Wikipedia – but mentioned this website before anyone else as an example, very suspicious. If she doesn’t have access how would she know about it? Further lets think about this how would an up tight organization even let her on this site? My god, we are all very opinionated people talking about a host of items that would be taboo for the Chinese government. I think we are all being duped. But in the event she is sincere I question why she would bother with us “looser, liers, Westerners” anyway as this is a gaming forum and isn’t she supposed to be a cop or cop in training – hard to keep clear because she keeps contradicting herself on this, which should have been my first clue, as she has contradicted herself on other subjects or accidentally tripped over herself when someone got her heated. I’ll go with fraud.

Look at that! December 11th, 2006 10:12 AM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WarHawk109 (Post 3420442)
oh yeah that's right, I am a anti-communist so what the heck is she doing here! can't go to places with anti-communists around! that would be breaking the law! and the law is the law so you can't break it am i right? ;)

you are silly, there are anti communists here, its only if they premote terrorism through media or action that they get in trouble as it is premoting killing chinese civilians

AegenemmnoN December 11th, 2006 10:16 AM

Re: Western Society
 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...39/Cultrev.jpg

WarHawk109 December 11th, 2006 10:16 AM

Re: Western Society
 
no you are breaking the law by coming here

Look at that! December 11th, 2006 10:19 AM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WarHawk109 (Post 3420471)
no you are breaking the law by coming here

dont be so silly

you are so brainwashed, you do know there is coca cola and mcdonalds here dont you?

there are clubs, rock, punk, techno, dancing, blues, soul music here

cars, TVs, shopping buildings with lots of stores in, public parks

we are not that much diffrent, only in western world people seem to lose morals alot

AlDaja December 11th, 2006 10:20 AM

Re: Western Society
 
Guys…just ignore her and her posts and eventually she’ll get the point. Your just getting yourself worked up and she/he doesn’t care. I suggest we continue with the thread and bypass any comment she/he presents.


All times are GMT -7.

Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0 ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.