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Old December 11th, 2006   #191
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so America has communists?, thats so nice
We got about 2 of them. The rest either went off to mother russia to live out their dream, or McCarthy got them during his short stint of witch trials, which is like saying, "hey i want some sod", and dig a 40 foot deep hole. Hey may have got a few, but he got a ton of innocent people. Communists are not popular in the US. We fought them for 45 years.
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We got about 2 of them. The rest either went off to mother russia to live out their dream, or McCarthy got them during his short stint of witch trials, which is like saying, "hey i want some sod", and dig a 40 foot deep hole. Hey may have got a few, but he got a ton of innocent people. Communists are not popular in the US. We fought them for 45 years.
did this McCarthy persecuted communist visionaries?
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did this McCarthy persecuted communist visionaries?
yup just as the chinese persicuted democratic visionaries, and the soviet union killed democratic visionaries. this was during the cold war, it was stict, democracy vs. communism. in the end democracy won and communism fell. communism is not a good thing, my parents escaped from communist czechoslovakia. it held back the advancement of nations for 50 years.
china is not a true communist state, it is pretty capitalist. thats why all cheap stuff is made in china.

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why do westerners think so highly of themselves, when the western world has thugs walking streets, too much sordid sex, single mothers, homosexuals, people who value material things over life.
China's better at some of these things (less of a divorce rate, I hear), equally bad at other, and worse at yet other. It's funny to hear you complain about the US's bums when Red China's such a nation of poverty.

As for homosexuality being an unnatural, evil degrading deed of Mortal Sin, let's see if your Beloved Leader blocks this.

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why are you so proud of such degrading traits?
Strawman. We aren't proud of homelessness, excess materialism, and other problems of society.

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No offence but I call this jelousy (sp?).
The jealousy card is a too easy one to play, asks you me, and jealousy is obviously not the driving factor here.

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i was never thrown out on street, killed or sent to orphanage, my parents love me, my father would get me everything i wanted when i was growing up
Lucky you. Doesn't change the fact that it's reality for other people, though.

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So I assume your parents are fine with killing off their family name? China has a one child law for parents. If you don't have a boy then chinese parents do whatever they can to try and get a boy. I have seen plenty of adopted chinese girls, but not a single boy.
All I can say is that I've got a six-year old cousin adopted from China. Guess the gender.

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I am showing you that there is no equality before the law in china. In the US it does not matter whether you are a billionaire, politician or a bum on the street. If you break the law, you get punished for it.
Actually, it matters to the extreme whether or not you're a billionaire or a bum living on the street. If I slap a low-class Hispanic kid living in the slums, nothing's going to happen to me, whereas if I slap a rich, spoiled ole white kid with a lawyer papa, I'm liable to get sued for "malicious assault".

Not to mention, of course, that if you're at the wrong place at the wrong time, you risk getting sent off to Guantánamo and tortured (Tipton Three) - with the torturers getting the active support of the neo-conservative voters.

Sorry to say so, but to say that everyone's equal in the States is a rather ridiculous statement.

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i am sorry, but most peopel here are happy and proud to be loyal workers and people who here who say it is bad and are ungreatful deserve to be beaten with baton in my opinion
First of all, far from all people in China are "happy" and "proud to be loyal workers". Second off, dissent is a cornerstone of democracy.

How many people die in your coal mines each year? 3000? Do you think those workers in their dark, safety-devoid mines are "happy to be loyal workers"? Are they "ungrateful" if they want to not be sent into black mines where the participants face a higher death risk than the debaters in an average Creationism/Evolution Thread?

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what restrictions, i can look at information on internet freely, i enjoy reading your peoples lies
Maybe you can. But try going down to an Internet Cafe behind the Great Firewall of China and search for "Free Tibet", and it's a different story. Better hightail it out of there, though, I wouldn't be surprised if the authorities trace your search.

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I think my country has a lot of things wrong with it, but at least I am free to say so.


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We don't say that people who disagree with us should be beaten with a baton. You'll notice that in America you are free to say whatever you want about the government and you won't face any charges. I can find literally thousands of websites and newspapers and magazines that criticize the government.
Well, there are those of you who call the FBI when you hear someone criticize Bush, and there are those of you who tell dissenters to move to Canada, but for the most part, that holds true. Heck, even anarchistic web sites go free in the States, Canada, and most of Europe.

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Great. Another "my cuntry iz beter than ur cuntry" thread. Hello Melee, goodbye rational/intelligent discussion. This thread is about as important as this greasy shit I'm going to take...
Right. Everyone knows the best country in the world is Norway. Now everyone repeat it after me and we can all go home and sleep.

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every society has problems
Some more severe than others.

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tibet was backwards, its culture was inferior and now we help to modernize it and many are ungreatful
Whereas I'm sure you Chinese were very grateful when the British colonized you.

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that was over 15 years ago, you bring up old news
Is it old news? Is it irrelevant? If I go down to Tiananmen today and start a similar demonstration, will I be safe there or will the tanks rear their ugly heads once more? And more importantly, were the soldiers and their commanders ever brought to justice?

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they were starting a riot, why have sympathy?
They were not starting a riot, they were carrying out a peaceful demonstration. And even if they were rioting, don't you agree rolling in tanks and gunning down 400+ of them might qualify as "excessive force"?

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it is a duty, if the law states somebody is a criminal they must be showed justice
"Upholding the law" isn't always justifiable. The Nazi party were "just upholding the law" when they executed Sophie Scholl for spreading propaganda leaflets. The US authorities were "just upholding the law" when they arrested Rosa Park for refusing to get off her bus.

"Upholding the law" and "committing acts violating basic humans rights" are not always mutually exclusive.

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Damn your a rude. I wouldn't go and insult your family like that. For a member of a country that prides itself on honor and respect, you sure have a mouth.


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your parents were like rats abondon sinking ship, the reason their nation never gained power was as people ran away and refuse to sacrifise anything for a peaceful, honorable future
Don't you understand?

The purpose of governments is to maintain peace, stability and happiness of their citizens, not to threaten them into making it a power.

As far as I'm concerned, a government with happy citizens is much much better than any with a place on the top 5 exports, or the greatest military.

Let alone the fact that you know NOTHING about communism the Czechs faced I'm sure, but just because you have a "point" to defend, you have to go out and offend people just to defend your precious governmental beliefs.

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Don't you understand?

The purpose of governments is to maintain peace, stability and happiness of their citizens, not to threaten them into making it a power.

As far as I'm concerned, a government with happy citizens is much much better than any with a place on the top 5 exports, or the greatest military.

Let alone the fact that you know NOTHING about communism the Czechs faced I'm sure, but just because you have a "point" to defend, you have to go out and offend people just to defend your precious governmental beliefs.
he was rude to me
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stop saying that and make a real argument. jeez.

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stop saying that and make a real argument. jeez.
china is in UN and sends help worldwide, do you know this?
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so is the rest of the world, and they should send help considering they are the second richest nation in the world. yes i know this, so does america. even north korea with its crazy leader is part of the UN.
oh ya and the only reason that china is rich is because the US opened it up to the global market. without us china would still be a country of farmers. you probobly didnt learn this.

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