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DavetheFo December 10th, 2006 01:15 PM

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So, you dislike the west, yet you mimick our past folys by invading harmless countrys?

Tibet deserves its freedom, and all its territory returned.

MrFancypants December 10th, 2006 02:04 PM

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Get back on topic or this will be closed. Thanks.

WarHawk109 December 10th, 2006 02:08 PM

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how is it not on topic? I don't understand.

Akula971 December 10th, 2006 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3418753)
why do westerners think so highly of themselves, when the western world has thugs walking streets, too much sordid sex, single mothers, homosexuals, people who value material things over life.

why are you so proud of such degrading traits?

Very simple... Because they are FREE to. It is their CHOICE. We can choose our government, we do not have a one party dictatorship. The Chinese have replaced one ruling class with another, they are still slaves to their new masters. They live to work, we in the west work to live.China's glory is in the past. It is now one large factory employing slave labour and STEALING western technology where ever it can.
What is worrying for us all is the vast amount of money being spent on weapons, nearly 9% of GDP. You do not spend billions on armies if you do not intend to use it. WWIII here we come....

AlDaja December 10th, 2006 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by WarHawk109 (Post 3419199)
how is it not on topic? I don't understand.

He was referring to a personal battle between myself and “look at that” I believe, which was aptly deleted.:lookaround:

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Originally Posted by Akula971 (Post 3419217)
Very simple... Because they are FREE to. It is their CHOICE. We can choose our government, we do not have a one party dictatorship. The Chinese have replaced one ruling class with another, they are still slaves to their new masters. They live to work, we in the west work to live.China's glory is in the past. It is now one large factory employing slave labour and STEALING western technology where ever it can.
What is worrying for us all is the vast amount of money being spent on weapons, nearly 9% of GDP. You do not spend billions on armies if you do not intend to use it. WWIII here we come....

Good point. This is why the USSR lost to Western ideals. Reagan knew that in a capitalistic society you could wage war and feed your people at the same time. The Soviets failed to grasp this concept as they attempted to match our arsenal and military might. We once had strict economic policy regarding trade with regimes we deemed hostile to American interests, but in truth because we do have a FREE society our political parties dictate the outcome of this policy depending who is in power at the time, but that would be a different thread altogether to start pointing fingers. The point I guess I’m trying to make is that China today would have collapsed along with the USSR if not for American economic interests keeper her afloat. It would be interesting to see where China and the world would look like in that alternate time, hmm?

Reno December 10th, 2006 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3418999)
every society has problems

Good, then you understand that the few problems in western society are far overshadowed by all it's accomplishments and opportunity. :)

Look at that! December 10th, 2006 02:41 PM

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:beer: :beer:
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Originally Posted by Bob L. Scrachy (Post 3419262)
Good, then you understand that the few problems in western society are far overshadowed by all it's accomplishments and opportunity. :)

but china is nice

i help keep people here safe

AlDaja December 10th, 2006 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419267)
:beer: :beer:

but china is nice

i help keep people here safe

So do the governments in “western” cultures to include their police and military – but we don’t systematically sanction their every move or do away with them if they speak out against the government or run college kids over with tanks…yes I know that information is sanctioned in China so I provided it if you care to view – and NO it is not a “western” lie it actually happened.

Spoiler:

Student Demonstrations in Tiananmen Square
June 3-4, 1989

http://img.infoplease.com/images/tiananmensquare.jpg
A massive demonstration for democratic reform, begun on Tiananmen Square by Chinese students in April, 1989, was brutally repressed on June 3 and 4, 1989. It was initiated to demand the posthumous rehabilitation of former Communist Party Chairman Hu Yaobang.

The government was tolerant until after his funeral; then Deng Xiaoping denounced the protests. The demonstrators were joined by workers, intellectuals, and civil servants, until over a million people filled the square. General Secretary Zhao Ziyang expressed sympathy, but lost out to Deng, who supported the use of military suppression.

Martial law was declared on May 20. The protesters demanded that the leadership resign, but the government answered on the nights of June 3 and 4 with troops and tanks, killing thousands to quell a "counter-revolutionary rebellion." Zhao was dismissed and a number of the student leaders were arrested.

Tiananmen Square is a large public square in Beijing, China, on the southern edge of the Inner or Tatar City. The square, named for its Gate of Heavenly Peace (Tiananmen), contains the monument of the heroes of the revolution, the Great Hall of the People, the museum of history and revolution, and the Mao Zedong Memorial Hall. Mao Zedong proclaimed the founding of the People's Republic in the square on October 1, 1949, an anniversary still observed there.


The Columbia Encyclopedia, Fifth Edition Copyright © 1993, Columbia University Press. Licensed from Inso Corporation. All rights reserved.

Look at that! December 10th, 2006 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AlDaja (Post 3419275)
So do the governments in “western” cultures to include their police and military – but we don’t systematically sanction their every move or do away with them if they speak out against the government or run college kids over with tanks…yes I know that information is sanctioned in China so I provided it if you care to view – and know it is not a “western” lie it actually happened.

Spoiler:

Student Demonstrations in Tiananmen Square
June 3-4, 1989

http://img.infoplease.com/images/tiananmensquare.jpg
A massive demonstration for democratic reform, begun on Tiananmen Square by Chinese students in April, 1989, was brutally repressed on June 3 and 4, 1989. It was initiated to demand the posthumous rehabilitation of former Communist Party Chairman Hu Yaobang.

The government was tolerant until after his funeral; then Deng Xiaoping denounced the protests. The demonstrators were joined by workers, intellectuals, and civil servants, until over a million people filled the square. General Secretary Zhao Ziyang expressed sympathy, but lost out to Deng, who supported the use of military suppression.

Martial law was declared on May 20. The protesters demanded that the leadership resign, but the government answered on the nights of June 3 and 4 with troops and tanks, killing thousands to quell a "counter-revolutionary rebellion." Zhao was dismissed and a number of the student leaders were arrested.

Tiananmen Square is a large public square in Beijing, China, on the southern edge of the Inner or Tatar City. The square, named for its Gate of Heavenly Peace (Tiananmen), contains the monument of the heroes of the revolution, the Great Hall of the People, the museum of history and revolution, and the Mao Zedong Memorial Hall. Mao Zedong proclaimed the founding of the People's Republic in the square on October 1, 1949, an anniversary still observed there.


The Columbia Encyclopedia, Fifth Edition Copyright © 1993, Columbia University Press. Licensed from Inso Corporation. All rights reserved.


you think police drive tanks? :lol:

i help people, i deal with pickpockets, illegel protesters ( i just tell them to leave area, we do not hurt them like you may think), i help foriegners with directions, stop fighting, deal in traffic problems

AlDaja December 10th, 2006 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419281)
you think police drive tanks? :lol:

i help people, i deal with pickpockets, illegel protesters ( i just tell them to leave area, we do not hurt them like you may think), i help foriegners with directions, stop fighting, deal in traffic problems


...you didn't even have the courage to read it did you? And well, yes police do have access to tanks, well apparently everywhere but China - an no dope, it did not apply to you specifically - duh.

Look at that! December 10th, 2006 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AlDaja (Post 3419286)
...you didn't even have the courage to read it did you? And well, yes police do have access to tanks, well apparently everywhere but China - an no dope, it did not apply to you specifically - duh.


well it does not apply to me, as i help people, not kill them

AlDaja December 10th, 2006 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419293)
well it does not apply to me, as i help people, not kill them

...but you didn't even read it did you? Thank you - point made.:thatsgreat: :vikki:

Look at that! December 10th, 2006 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AlDaja (Post 3419302)
...but you didn't even read it did you? Thank you - point made.:thatsgreat: :vikki:

that was over 15 years ago, you bring up old news

Reno December 10th, 2006 03:20 PM

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The only thing i have against these threads is the fact that people in other countries can be so sure they have all the facts about what life is like in another country. They know with all the fiber in their being that everything the see on tv is right.

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Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419308)
that was over 15 years ago, you bring up old news

That is your country's history. What has changed to prevent that from eventually happening again? The people were unhappy about the way the government was being run. So the government runs them over with tanks. The only difference now is those who would speak out wouldn't because of fear of becoming roadkill or someone's prison bitch.

czech speacial forces December 10th, 2006 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419308)
that was over 15 years ago, you bring up old news

its history, you should know the history of your country, the facts.
oh ya and we in the west dount have censorship, we can look at basically anything, there are thousands of websites that critisize the US government, we are allowed to view them, china has a filter so you cant look up information that criticizes the government.
obviously you are narrow minded, and not able to find the facts, tibet, terrorists...ya for wanting freedom from a country that dousnt care for its own people.

Pethegreat December 10th, 2006 03:29 PM

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when in power they really will work people to death as these people care about money
The current people who are running the factories are working the people to death. The workers are paid squat. Why do you think I can buy a product made in china for 1/2 of what an American made product costs?

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well it does not apply to me, as i help people, not kill them
Yet earlier you said you would beat people who don't agree with the goverment.

Look at that! December 10th, 2006 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob L. Scrachy (Post 3419340)
That is your country's history. What has changed to prevent that from eventually happening again? The people were unhappy about the way the government was being run. So the government runs them over with tanks. The only difference now is those who would speak out wouldn't because of fear of becoming roadkill or someone's prison bitch.

they were starting a riot, why have sympathy?

prison bitch?, my mother worked in a female prison, she dealt with prison scum for years

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Originally Posted by Pethegreat (Post 3419359)
Yet earlier you said you would beat people who don't agree with the goverment.

yes, rioting terrorist supporters

:nodding:
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Originally Posted by czech speacial forces (Post 3419346)
its history, you should know the history of your country, the facts.
oh ya and we in the west dount have censorship, we can look at basically anything, there are thousands of websites that critisize the US government, we are allowed to view them, china has a filter so you cant look up information that criticizes the government.
obviously you are narrow minded, and not able to find the facts, tibet, terrorists...ya for wanting freedom from a country that dousnt care for its own people.

tibet is part of china and you stole a whole land from natives

czech speacial forces December 10th, 2006 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419371)
:nodding:

tibet is part of china and you stole a whole land from natives

ya something i and most of america disagree with, we should have never killed the indians that inhabited this land.

your government is blocking alot of info from you, go here to stop it.
http://psiphon.civisec.org/
its a software that goes around the censor allowing you to get all the info.

Look at that! December 10th, 2006 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by czech speacial forces (Post 3419379)
ya something i and most of america disagree with, we should have never killed the indians that inhabited this land.

your government is blocking alot of info from you, go here to stop it.
http://psiphon.civisec.org/
its a software that goes around the censor allowing you to get all the info.

no, you can keep your illegel software, i do not want it

tell me, do many people from china download this?, have you given the link to any other chinese?

czech speacial forces December 10th, 2006 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419383)
no, you can keep your illegel software, i do not want it

tell me, do many people from china download this?, have you given the link to any other chinese?

it allows you freedom over the internet. it allows you to get all sides to a issue. why would you not want it, because your government dousnt appove of it, you pitiful sheep. you have no brain, just what the chinese government tells you.
i dount know how many chinese have it, no i dount know any chinese, this is the only forums im a active member on.
also even if i did give it to other chinese, why would i tell a chinese police officer like you?
i believe in human rights.

Look at that! December 10th, 2006 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by czech speacial forces (Post 3419391)
it allows you freedom over the internet. it allows you to get all sides to a issue. why would you not want it, because your government dousnt appove of it, you pitiful sheep. you have no brain, just what the chinese government tells you.
i dount know how many chinese have it, no i dount know any chinese, this is the only forums im a active member on.
also even if i did give it to other chinese, why would i tell a chinese police officer like you?

you should say something, law breakers are law breaker wherever they live

Ping_Pong December 10th, 2006 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by czech speacial forces
why would you not want it, because your government dousnt appove of it, you pitiful sheep.

Maybe he doesn't enjoy going to prison.

czech speacial forces December 10th, 2006 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ping_Pong (Post 3419400)
Maybe he doesn't enjoy going to prison.

thats how the chinese government works....FEAR.

Look at that! December 10th, 2006 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by czech speacial forces (Post 3419407)
thats how the chinese government works....FEAR.

so upholding law is just FEAR? :rolleyes:

i am a nice person, very hopeful, i have only hit somebody with baton once

Ping_Pong December 10th, 2006 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by czech speacial forces (Post 3419407)
thats how the chinese government works....FEAR.

That is how every government works.

Nostradamouse December 10th, 2006 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ping_Pong (Post 3419414)
That is how every government works.

An opinion I share with you. ;)

A government doesn't need to be based to the west or to the east to work like that. It's basic function is to oppress the people it is supposed to serve.

Fortune December 10th, 2006 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3418753)
why do westerners think so highly of themselves,

Why not?
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when the western world has thugs walking streets,
And the rest of the world doesn't? the thugs there are just in uniform.

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too much sordid sex,
And we can change that? if the other nations had a choice, they would do the same.
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single mothers,
We don't have Men in the society, for one.
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homosexuals,
Well, lets force them to change because we don't like it! real democratic.
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people who value material things over life.
If you ask me, the west values life waaaay more than any other region.

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why are you so proud of such degrading traits?
Who said we were proud of them?

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Originally Posted by Dave the fo
Western society is corrupt.

It is driven by wealth, and the desire for personal fortune, leading to some of the grossest scenes outside of McDonalds.

Story of all civillization.

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tibet is part of china and you stole a whole land from natives
Yes, but are you going to blame something our ancestors did on us? if you haven't noticed, there is quite a nice chunk of land in numerous places for Native Americans (if they want to live on reservations), Oklahoma for instance. :D

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no, you can keep your illegel software, i do not want it

tell me, do many people from china download this?, have you given the link to any other chinese?
"Please, Mr. "God", keep lying to me."

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every society has problems
Why is Eastern society so proud of itself?

India has a class system.

"New" China (not the Real China, you know.. Taiwan), is controlling the knowledge of its citizens with no alternative.

Girls of all ages are being put into prostitution.

Japan has an emperor who the people think is a God.

North Korea, a country without running water and a crazy dictator is trying to get Nuclear Weapons, and China doesn't seem to give a damn.

Asia has the most Socialist countries on the planet (to my knowledge).

So, tell me what is so smashing about the East, will you?

Look at that! December 10th, 2006 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jedihunter (Post 3419424)
And the rest of the world doesn't? the thugs there are just in uniform.

are you trying to say im like this?

Fortune December 10th, 2006 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419432)
are you trying to say im like this?

That depends on what you're ordered to do, or what your job is.

Please, don't skip the rest of the post by quoting this, Look at that.

Look at that! December 10th, 2006 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jedihunter (Post 3419437)
That depends on what you're ordered to do, or what your job is.

well i have to disperse the people with terrorist leanings you support is one thing i do

if they refuse we use force, then Americans say how wrong it is, even thouh they do same thing

Nemmerle December 10th, 2006 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3418753)
why do westerners think so highly of themselves, when the western world has thugs walking streets, too much sordid sex, single mothers, homosexuals, people who value material things over life.

why are you so proud of such degrading traits?

Well overlooking the fact that deviancy is not an inherently Western trait for a moment.

We are proud not of the presence of these things but of overcoming them. There is nothing to be gained from a world without conflict. Where is the use of living in paradise and then dying; where is the challenge; the fun; where is the chance for development of the soul and society if there is never any challenge?
The only things worth gaining are those born in conflict. We do not grow strong, we do not develop, and we do not change at all if our ideals and needs and wants are never contrasted against something.

If the collective values of our society were so strong that these things did not happen it is true that we would not have the criminals, the sexual deviants; but we also would not have our philosophers and idealists.
In order that the idealist, whose ideas transcend his time can exist it is necessary that the criminal, whose ideas are bellow his time exist.
Show me a society without crime and I’ll show you a society on its way to stagnation, and stagnant societies tend to die if they don't change.

Fourtunately, or unfourtunately depending upon your perspective, Non-Western socities are changing, and we do indeed find the measures of deviancy you described in your post present within them.

Fortune December 10th, 2006 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419440)
well i have to disperse the people with terrorist leanings you support is one thing i do

if they refuse we use force, then Americans say how wrong it is, even thouh they do same thing

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Originally Posted by Me
Please, don't skip the rest of the post by quoting this, Look at that.

I thought you would.

BladeV2 December 10th, 2006 04:16 PM

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are you trying to say im like this?
yes...

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Asia has the most Socialist countries on the planet (to my knowledge).
dude... thats not inherently bad...


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"New" China (not the Real China, you know.. Taiwan), is controlling the knowledge of its citizens with no alternative.
cite? not questioning it, just wanted elaboration


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so upholding law is just FEAR? http://www.gamingforums.com/images/s...rcastic%29.gif
No, your specific use of discipline and capital punishment is fear. And not just "fear." Its propaganda and closed-minded. It acts against people who merely have a dissenting opinion and the suppression of said ideas and the people who voice them. Its the same as killing you for supporting China. The US do that? Nope. (okay maybe sometimes, but thats under Bush)

Free will is what truly sets man apart from the beasts. Would you really advocate taking that away? If yes, then THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA WOULDN'T EXIST. The foundation of your culture is based upon Mao Zedung, who was once one of those "terrorists" and "rioters." Only difference was the Soviets backed him.

Look at that! December 10th, 2006 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BladeV2 (Post 3419466)
yes...

thats awful thing to say, im not a bad person, you cannot mean such a thing

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No, your specific use of discipline and capital punishment is fear. And not just "fear." Its propaganda and closed-minded. It acts against people who merely have a dissenting opinion and the suppression of said ideas and the people who voice them. Its the same as killing you for supporting China. The US do that? Nope. (okay maybe sometimes, but thats under Bush)
it is just upholding laws

Fortune December 10th, 2006 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BladeV2 (Post 3419466)
yes...


dude... thats not inherently bad...



cite? not questioning it, just wanted elaboration

Technically, the ROC, Republic of China (The same China that was part of the Allies in WW2, ect) only has power in Taiwan and surrounding islands, after Mao took power, if I remember Taiwan isn't even in the U.N. due to everyone judging PROC more prominantly as China, sux2b not Socialist, I've always liked Taiwan better (obvious reasons, they don't threaten their citizens, for instance).

Zab December 10th, 2006 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3418928)
what restrictions, i can look at information on internet freely, i enjoy reading your peoples lies

Oh really?

Try some of these sites...

http://www.aabcdallas.org/ - Asian American Baptist Church
http://www.altavista.com/ - Alta Vista Search Company
http://acs-nccu.org/ - American Cancer Society - Northern California Chinese Unit
http://www.aia.af.mil/ - Air Intelligence Agency
http://www.amnesty-usa.org/ - Amnesty International - Defending and Promoting Human Rights Worldwide
http://www.cancerlinksusa.com/ - Cancer Information Network
www.cbs.com - CBS News
http://www.chinatimes.com.tw/ - The China Times
www.defenselink.mil - US DoD Homepage
http://www.epa.gov.tw/ - Environmental Protection Agency of Taiwan
http://www.integrityusa.org/ - Integrity Church of USA
http://www.parti-federaliste.com/ - Parti federaliste du France - POUR UNE FRANCE FEDERALE - POUR UNE EUROPE FEDERALE
http://www.unitednationsnews.com/ - United Nations - daily news and current events
http://www.uyghuramerican.org/ - Uyghur American Association
http://www.voa.gov/ - Voice of America
www.caltech.edu - California Institue of Technology
news.bbc.co.uk/ - BBC News

But if you can't, well, it's because they're all blocked websites in China.:lol:

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Originally Posted by Harvard Law
Having requested some 204,012 distinct web sites, we found more than 50,000 to be inaccessible from at least one point in China on at least one occasion. Adopting a more conservative standard for determining which inaccessible sites were intentionally blocked and which were unreachable solely due to temporary glitches, we find that 18,931 sites were inaccessible from at least two distinct proxy servers within China on at least two distinct days. We conclude that China does indeed block a range of web content beyond that which is sexually explicit. For example, we found blocking of thousands of sites offering information about news, health, education, and entertainment, as well as some 3,284 sites from Taiwan. A look at the list beyond sexually explicit content yields insight into the particular areas the Chinese government appears to find most sensitive.



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Originally Posted by Harvard Law
Our main testing examined 203,217 web sites drawn from categories other than sexually explicit content. We seeded this list of sites from multiple sources. For example, we extracted from Yahoo all web sites in certain categories (including those specifically about education, entertainment, news, major world governments, and politics) as well as all sites in the non-English regional versions of Yahoo that specifically concern China and Taiwan. We conducted searches on terms likely to yield sensitive results and thus candidates for blocking, both in English and in Chinese, using the Google search engine, and placed the top results into our list of URLs to test. We tracked approximately 5,000 additional sites submitted to our Real-Time Testing System through September 2002, and we received email suggestions of further sites to test. The result of these data sources was a list of 203,217 distinct host names.
Using the definition of "blocked" specified above, we found that a total of 18,931 of these sites (9.3%) were blocked in China. Given the large number of sites blocked, we have organized our listing of specific blocked pages into highlights -- some blocked pages that are well known or otherwise of possible interest -- followed by the full list. Where available, each page's listing includes its HTML title, its META keywords and description, and its Yahoo Directory and Google Directory classifications. These details are as retrieved in November 2002.
Specific web sites blocked in China
Highlights of blocked sites - sites that are well known or otherwise of particular interest

Complete list of 18,931 blocked sites, sorted alphabetically by URL
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z numbers

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Originally Posted by Harvard Law
  • Dissident/democracy sites. Blocked sites includes sites about democracy and human rights generally and sites specific to China. Of the top 100 sites returned by Google in response to a search for "democracy china," 40 were found to be blocked, while 37 "dissident china" sites were blocked, 32 were blocked for "freedom china," and 30 for "justice china." Specific blocked sites included Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the Hong Kong Voice of Democracy, the Direct Democracy Center, and dozens of Falun Gong and Falun Dafa sites.
  • Health. Blocked sites included sites about health generally and about health in China specifically. Of the top 100 Google results for "hunger china," 24 were blocked; for "famine china" 23; for "AIDS china" 21; for "sex china" 19; for "disease china" 14. Specific blocked sites included the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, the Internet Mental Health reference, and the Health in China research project. We found blocking of a total of 139 sites listed in Yahoo's Health directory categories and subcategories.
  • Education. Blocked sites included a number of well-known institutions of higher education, including the primary web servers operated by Caltech, Columbia, MIT, and the University of Virginia. Blocked non-university sites included the Learning Channel, the Islamic Virtual School, the Music Academy of Zheng, and the web sites of dozens of public and private primary and secondary schools. We further found evidence of blocking of 696 sites listed in Yahoo's Education directory categories and subcategories.
  • News. The BBC News was consistently unreachable, while CNN, Time Magazine, PBS, the Miami Herald, and the Philadelphia Inquirer were also often unavailable. Of Google's top 100 results for news, 42 were blocked. We further found evidence of blocking of 923 sites listed in Yahoo's News and Media directory categories and subcategories. Nonetheless, some news sites that were previously blocked became accessible during the course of our testing; for example, Reuters was blocked through April 29, but was subsequently accessible, while the Washington Post was blocked through May 6 and was subsequently accessible. This reduction in blocking of entire news sites may reflect that certain new filtering technologies (discussed in greater detail in the appendix) allow blocking only of the particular sections and articles that are particularly controversial in China. As a result, our results should not be taken to suggest that every Washington Post article is now accessible in China.
  • Government sites. Blocked sites included a variety of sites operated by governments in Asia and beyond. As discussed below, government sites of Taiwan and Tibet were targeted specifically. Also blocked was the entirety of uscourts.gov, including the many federal district and appellate courts in the United States, as well as the United Kingdom's Court Service and Israel's Judicial Authority. The communication sites of various governments were blocked, including the United States' Voice of America, as well as travel sites from Australia, Israel, Korea, Switzerland, and Wales. Government military department sites were also blocked, including the US Department of Defense, though others remained reachable (the CIA). A variety of additional government sites were blocked, without manifest pattern, both in the United States and beyond; examples include the site of Seattle's King County, the main Australian Federal Government index site, the Philippines Bureau of Customs, the British Insolvency Service, the Office of the Governor of Makkah in Saudi Arabia, and the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia. Blocked sites included 516 sites in Yahoo's categories and subcategories pertaining to governments.
  • Taiwanese and Tibetan sites generally. Blocked sites included business sites (like the A&D Company of Taiwan), non-commercial sites (the Taiwan Health Clinic and a total of 709 .edu.tw sites, as well as the Voice of Tibet), and government sites (the Office of the President of Taiwan and the Taiwanese Parliamentary Library among 936 other Taiwanese government sites, and the Official Website of the Tibetan Government in Exile). More than 60% of Google's top 100 "Tibet" sites were found to be blocked, and more than 47% of the top "Taiwan" sites were blocked. Taiwanese content was also blocked disproportionately, relative to its representation in our testing sample; fully 3,284 .TW sites (13.4% of .TW sites tested) were blocked, while our overall block rate was approximately 9.3%. (Of course, comparisons of block rates must be performed with care given the subjective formation of the list of sites tested. For lack of a domain name specifically associated with Tibetan sites, it is more difficult to perform such a comparison on the block rate of Tibetan content.)
  • Entertainment. Blocked sites included the movie Deep Impact, the Canadian Music Centre, the Taiwanese site of MTV (mtv.com.tw) and multiple sites providing off-color jokes. We also found blocking of a total of 451 sites in Yahoo's categories and subcategories pertaining to Entertainment.
  • Religion. Blocked sites included the Asian American Baptist Church, the Atheist Network, the Catholic Civil Rights League, Feng Shui at Geomancy.net, the Canberra Islamic Centre, the Jewish Federation of Winnipeg, and the Denver Zen Center. We found blocking of a total of 1,763 sites in Yahoo's categories and subcategories pertaining to religion.


Fortune December 10th, 2006 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Zab (Post 3419474)
Oh really?

Try some of these sites...

http://www.aabcdallas.org/ - Asian American Baptist Church
http://www.altavista.com/ - Alta Vista Search Company
http://acs-nccu.org/ - American Cancer Society - Northern California Chinese Unit
http://www.aia.af.mil/ - Air Intelligence Agency
http://www.amnesty-usa.org/ - Amnesty International - Defending and Promoting Human Rights Worldwide
http://www.cancerlinksusa.com/ - Cancer Information Network
www.cbs.com - CBS News
http://www.chinatimes.com.tw/ - The China Times
www.defenselink.mil - US DoD Homepage
http://www.epa.gov.tw/ - Environmental Protection Agency of Taiwan
http://www.integrityusa.org/ - Integrity Church of USA
http://www.parti-federaliste.com/ -
Parti federaliste du France - POUR UNE FRANCE FEDERALE - POUR UNE EUROPE FEDERALE
http://www.unitednationsnews.com/ - United Nations - daily news and current events
http://www.uyghuramerican.org/ -
Uyghur American Associationhttp://www.voa.gov/ - Voice of America

But if you can't, well, it's because they're all blocked websites in China. :lol:





That is, absolutely the most pwnage packed into a single post.. ever.

Tas December 10th, 2006 04:23 PM

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This is awesome..

I'm betting this is a new "Jeff and Eddie", or just a rather sad example of how the glorious People's republic of china's propaganda machine effects people.
Either way, you are simply trying to argue with a brick wall. Selective quoting, blatant ignoring will ensure any point you guys manage to make will be futile, thus making the whole thread.. pointless. This concludes todays service anouncement.

Carry on.

Look at that! December 10th, 2006 04:23 PM

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brainwashing, terrorist supporting, anti-commnuist sites

they endorse people who want to kill chinese citizens

BladeV2 December 10th, 2006 04:27 PM

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Technically, the ROC, Republic of China (The same China that was part of the Allies in WW2, ect) only has power in Taiwan and surrounding islands, after Mao took power, if I remember Taiwan isn't even in the U.N. due to everyone judging PROC more prominantly as China, sux2b not Socialist, I've always liked Taiwan better (obvious reasons, they don't threaten their citizens, for instance).
I'm confused... what are you addressing

Quote:

it is just upholding laws
And if the laws are unjust and need to be changed?
Once again, thats what Mao did/thought.
The law can't be a justification because the law is what must be justified. If one questions the law, the law can't defend itself. It needs other concepts to protect it.



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brainwashing, terrorist supporting, anti-commnuist sites

they endorse people who want to kill chinese citizens
Reply With Quote
Amnesty International, the US DoD, France, Taiwan, and the Asian American Baptist Church are all anti-communist and terrorist supporters? And brainwashers? Well, why the !@#$%^ haven't we nuked you guys yet??? If we have nukes, and love to kill Chinese people, we could do it any time we wanted to. But guess what? We don't. Its impossible to explain how deeply this defends Western society.

Nostradamouse December 10th, 2006 04:33 PM

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Something tells me she would not be able to access AKpress website either :p. Even if this website is socialist as hell.

Anarchists are ennemies of China too I guess.

czech speacial forces December 10th, 2006 04:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419472)
it is just upholding laws

you are the perfect person to live under communism. you believe anything your government tells you.
i believe in laws, but just laws.
like a law against not going to church, i would still not got to church.
i have my rights.

Fortune December 10th, 2006 04:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419483)
brainwashing, terrorist supporting, anti-commnuist sites

they endorse people who want to kill chinese citizens

Thats rich, really. :lol:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blade
I'm confused... what are you addressing

Nothing, I'm just specifying which "Republic" I was talking about.

Reno December 10th, 2006 04:34 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Is it just me or is she using more than the average bit of selective reading?

Nostradamouse December 10th, 2006 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob L. Scrachy (Post 3419500)
Is it just me or is she using more than the average bit of selective reading?

She is not the only one though...:lookaround:

Alot of the people here just do that. Just look threads on abortion and etc. You'll see selectivity of details at its best!

Nemmerle December 10th, 2006 04:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419483)
brainwashing, terrorist supporting, anti-commnuist sites

they endorse people who want to kill chinese citizens

I don't think you quite understand how brainwashing works. Broadly speaking you get two, 'types.'

Firstly you have Classical Conditioning
This is where you come to associate a certain stimulus with a certain situation. For instance I might in a classical example ring a bell whenever there was food around a dog. Naturally the dog drools around food but it comes to associate the bell with food and salavation so when I ring a bell the dog drools regardless of whether there's food there or not.

Secondly you have Operant Conditioning.
Where you come to associate taking a certain course of action with a certain consequence. This is the reinforcement model really. Dog does something I don't like then I hit it, dog does something I do like then I reward it.

Neither of these really work through a website. Brainwashing is a lengthly process that even when you have complete control over a person's enviroment can take weeks or months to do properly.

Fortune December 10th, 2006 04:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob L. Scrachy (Post 3419500)
Is it just me or is she using more than the average bit of selective reading?


Quite, I still have yet to see her retort the rest of my, and many other posts.

She just calls them "Anti-communist", well I could call all of her non-sense "Anti-knowledge" and denounce it, but I don't, I'm getting too much of a laugh as it is.

Look at that! December 10th, 2006 04:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by czech speacial forces (Post 3419498)
you are the perfect person to live under communism. you believe anything your government tells you.
i believe in laws, but just laws.
like a law against not going to church, i would still not got to church.
i have my rights.

i uphold laws, i am good

there are many more hopeful future police in the communist youth league

communism is not a shameful thing at all

i agree with alot of it

czech speacial forces December 10th, 2006 04:41 PM

Re: Western Society
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Look at that! (Post 3419483)
brainwashing, terrorist supporting, anti-commnuist sites

they endorse people who want to kill chinese citizens

:lol: yes peace sites that want to preserve life are terrorists, brainwashing and anti-communist and they want to kill chinese?
BBC news wants to kill chinese?
UN news, news from organization that tries to bring peace to the world. terrorists?
you need help. maybe a reeducation program.

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i uphold laws, i am good

there are many more hopeful future police in the communist youth league

communism is not a shameful thing at all

i agree with alot of it
keep telling yourself that. maybe itll come true.

BladeV2 December 10th, 2006 04:44 PM

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I agree with a lot of Communist teachings too. But Marx (the westerner)'s version. To each according to his need. To each according to his ability. You know, the original communism that stemmed from community.
Not this totalitarian Maosit/Stalinist crap. Thats not worthy of the name "Communism."


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