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Old November 29th, 2006   #1
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so, after one failed thread about this, i decided to start another more serious one through the advice of Mr. fancy pants.

so. muslim extremists are afraid of pigs. they believe that by touching one or any other part of it, they will not be permited into heaven and not get their fourty virgins. this has been done before and was very effective. soaking bullets in pig fat. they didnt have many extremist problems for a while.
while this was deemed a joke before, i was quite serius when i said make bombs filled with big parts and let thousands of pigs run free around the middle east. it really would be an effective meathod.
it would really work. they fight dirty, they use their religion as an excuse to kill us. we use their own religion against them to fight dirty against them.

fight fire with fire.

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so, after one failed thread about this, i decided to start another more serious one through the advice of Mr. fancy pants.

so. muslim extremists are afraid of pigs. they believe that by touching one or any other part of it, they will not be permited into heaven and not get their fourty virgins. this has been done before and was very effective. soaking bullets in pig fat. they didnt have many extremist problems for a while.
while this was deemed a joke before, i was quite serius when i said make bombs filled with big parts and let thousands of pigs run free around the middle east. it really would be an effective meathod.
it would really work. they fight dirty, they use their religion as an excuse to kill us. we use their own religion against them to fight dirty against them.

fight fire with fire.
might actually work, they don't call em' extremists for nothing...

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If you burn a forest down so it can't catch on fire, there's nothing left to protect. To me that that doesn't seem to work.

I don't see how escalating the hatred between people ever would solve a problem. Even if it resulted in a military victory, resorting to something like that shows how we have lost the moral "battle".

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so, after one failed thread about this, i decided to start another more serious one through the advice of Mr. fancy pants.

so. muslim extremists are afraid of pigs. they believe that by touching one or any other part of it, they will not be permited into heaven and not get their fourty virgins. this has been done before and was very effective. soaking bullets in pig fat. they didnt have many extremist problems for a while.
while this was deemed a joke before, i was quite serius when i said make bombs filled with big parts and let thousands of pigs run free around the middle east. it really would be an effective meathod.
it would really work. they fight dirty, they use their religion as an excuse to kill us. we use their own religion against them to fight dirty against them.

fight fire with fire.
My dad suggested that we start dropping pigs over there on Mecca, typical of his satirical comments on Muslims from a stereotypical American
Christians perspective.

Personally, I think that they believe we are a bit soft really.

I mean, America is the "standard to follow" around the world, if America screws up, everyone will talk about it for years to come, if America plays dirty, we get in big trouble for it.

But to be honest, I think we should show them what is acceptable and what is not, if that means putting pig fat in (or on) our bullets...


BUT!, that doesn't mean you can punish "ALL" the Muslim people because of 1%-5% tops of their population, thats like forcing all Americans to slavery to pay off a medium-large cities debt, its silly and just generally not going to do anything but piss them off.

Maybe if we hadn't been so sleazy before with the Middle East (You know.. Iran, Iraq... ect. ect. ), they wouldn't be so pissed off with us, we just need to establish that we aren't there to kill them, take their land, rape their women or steal their oil, that would be the first step to getting anything done.

To sum it up, I think we should be kind and as easy as possible if they will be, but if they pull out a rocket launcher or lob some mortars, they are going to have nothing left of their lives but a back full of steaming hot lead, or perhaps some pork skins.

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BUT!, that doesn't mean you can punish "ALL" the Muslim people...
He was referring to the radicals...i.e. the ones that chop your head off, like they did to Nick Berg, Paul Johnson, Armstrong and that poor Korean gentlemen to name a few

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Maybe if we hadn't been so sleazy before with the Middle East (You know.. Iran, Iraq... ect. ect. ), they wouldn't be so pissed off with us, we just need to establish that we aren't there to kill them, take their land, rape their women or steal their oil, that would be the first step to getting anything done.
We've sort of been saying this for awhile, but they just don't get it. I don't blame them really, I'm sure when there is so much death going around it can either cloud judgment or put things in a different perspective. But if they worked together with us instead of fighting the country would be a democracy instead of cesspool.

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To sum it up, I think we should be kind and as easy as possible if they will be, but if they pull out a rocket launcher or lob some mortars, they are going to have nothing left of their lives but a back full of steaming hot lead, or perhaps some pork skins.
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He was referring to the radicals...i.e. the ones that chop your head off, like they did to Nick Berg, Paul Johnson, Armstrong and that poor Korean gentlemen to name a few
He also said to herd Pigs in the middle east, I don't think you're targetting "Radicals" with a herd of pigs very effectively.

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I dont know about the whole pig thing...I wouldnt want our American tax dollars going towards a multimillion dollar plan to let loose a group of wild pigs in the middle east.

One thing people are not understanding here is the cost of this war...comparatively more people died (Allied and Axis) on the single day of June 6th 1944 in a war that lasted almost 6 years...the media (both right and left) turns our involvement in Iraq as something so negative b/c 3,000 people have died in the span of maybe 3 or 4 years now (2002 or 2003?)...considering war that's a pretty good statistic as compared to say the 9,000+ enemies killed.

Should we resort to their underhanded ways? No. Why? First off it sounds like a joke and if the radicals really wanted to they could either avoid or kill the pigs. It's a dumb idea truthfully.

What we're doing has been effective militarily (so to speak). It's the post-war Iraq that is now the problem. When you think about it if a guy's gonna walk into a building and willingly blow himself up theres not much thats gonna stop him anything short of patting down EVERYONE who enters..and anyway he'll blow himself up there then. Terrorism and what these radicals are doing is (unfortunately) very hard to prevent and stop...when terrorism takes the form of a planned out action that doesnt involve the sacrifice of its planners it can be stopped...when the planners are willing to kill themselves to do it though..it's a lot harder to stop.
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I dont know about the whole pig thing...I wouldnt want our American tax dollars going towards a multimillion dollar plan to let loose a group of wild pigs in the middle east.

One thing people are not understanding here is the cost of this war...comparatively more people died (Allied and Axis) on the single day of June 6th 1944 in a war that lasted almost 6 years...the media (both right and left) turns our involvement in Iraq as something so negative b/c 3,000 people have died in the span of maybe 3 or 4 years now (2002 or 2003?)...considering war that's a pretty good statistic as compared to say the 9,000+ enemies killed.

Should we resort to their underhanded ways? No. Why? First off it sounds like a joke and if the radicals really wanted to they could either avoid or kill the pigs. It's a dumb idea truthfully.
That depends, if we put pork in our bullets, they wouldn't get their "Virgins" or their Heaven, or at least in theory, so if you believe now that if you go and rob a bank and hold hostages that when you get killed, you're going to go to a PERFECT place, live forever and have all the beautifull women you want, I wonder what you would do? You would go get your guns!

BUT! If you knew that if the "Heaven" theory was true, but only if they did not use a certain.. calibur of ammunition, if you knew they had this ammunition, would you still attempt your heist?

Sure, it sounds silly, but in theory, if they are so strong in their beliefs they should obey it, either that or they will edit the Qu'ran or something like that :lol:.

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What we're doing has been effective militarily (so to speak). It's the post-war Iraq that is now the problem. When you think about it if a guy's gonna walk into a building and willingly blow himself up theres not much thats gonna stop him anything short of patting down EVERYONE who enters..and anyway he'll blow himself up there then.
Perhaps, but some situations could be prevented (hopefully).
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Terrorism and what these radicals are doing is (unfortunately) very hard to prevent and stop...
Well, we could go "Medievel on your a**", but that generally doesn't work, honestly I have my doubts that these terrorists could ever be stopped in their own country, unless you completely put a total lockdown on it, but that would just get the U.S. in trouble, for good reason.

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when terrorism takes the form of a planned out action that doesnt involve the sacrifice of its planners it can be stopped...when the planners are willing to kill themselves to do it though..it's a lot harder to stop.
Here in lies the problem, if you threaten them, they will just die faster, killing more and more, if you don't threaten them, they will think you're basically a weaking and your forces can easily be pushed aside, this leaves 2 options for victory.

A) Scare the living daylights out of them, terrorize them for the most trivial errors or problems they cause, this would eventually piss them off, and they would hate you practically forever.

B) Try and make friends with them, I can't see this or the other option working, but this one has a better chance, the people are raised from birth to pretty much hate America, media, everything is biased (just like American media!), but maybe in a generation, we can stop that from happening, and the Middle East won't be such a problem in the future.

Would it work? maybe, probably not.
If you haven't noticed, the Middle East has been full of ticked off warriors out for each others, or someone elses blood for a long time, not all countries, but they seem to be less "At peace" than almost any continent, if any has ever been.

Back to the subject, coating bullets with pork (or just getting it in there some how, whatever the case) could stop them, I don't see why civillians should dislike it, if the terrorist was doing anything and he got shot, who gives a crap if he gets his Virgins (per se), he deserved to die, if they don't like taking away his virgins (still in theory), then they can damned well deal with it.

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I was under the impression that Muslims are not afraid of pigs, I was under the impression Muslims dont like pigs because they are considered unclean animals.

Putting pig fat on bullets will not be good for the weapons and herding pigs through Iraq will only piss off the Muslims.
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