Bush and his infinite wisdom...or so we're told
 

what do you think of bush's handling of affairs like iraq and the economy? i think he's doing a pretty horrible job.

what do you think?

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With the democrats getting into office, there was rhumor of Bush being impeached. I don't think that will happen as his term is almost over.
It isn't even him running the country, it's his father.

Let me see.


spending : up (alot)
taxing across the board: up
Dollar is still buying what i need it to and prices haven't increased in the supermarket yet. So that still holds well.
Gas prices? well we all know what happened there. Big oil screwed us to the wall over summer and heating oil will go through the roof in winter.
Juggling the market they are to make the money.

Is bush doing what he can ?
who knows.

All i do know is this :
There is a war we are fighting because 3k people died in NYC. Tragedy that it is, we are there. We are still letting people into this country ... WHY ?
STOP THE INFLUX OF PEOPLE COMING INTO THE COUNTRY FOR A LITTLE WHILE>
Catch up with who lives here before you let more in ....
Let mexico take some people in.
At least the only thing that gets blown up down there would be lowriders and burrito bars in the tourist areas.


Bush isn't going anywhere. He has two years left. He didn't do a " terrible" job( there has been worse done before), but he should have had a better advisor than his dad.

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well yeah that's true....but i told yall from the beginning his dad was basically running the war in iraq....which i still dont know why we are in seeing as it had nothing to do with terrorism..

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I support the Bush Admin on a lot, but i have a few things i disagree on

Spending is a definate one, illegal immigration, etc...

His tax cuts are working, we have a strong economy right now. Gas went down a lot, now with the holidays approaching, it will go up again (does it every year, no matter who is in office)

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I support Dubya on alot but immigration, spending, Reasons on invading Iraq... not so much.

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um....i don't know that they have done alot of good...cause the vp had the oil company in his pocket...and then there's the fact that there are jobs leaving here for overseas for cheaper laborers. i need a job but i can't find one....i bet i've put in a million applications...in 3 different towns

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Well outsourced jobs sometimes mean higher wages.

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not where i live...theres nothing left and we have like a 35% unemployment rate well 50% if you include the people that can't draw unemployment (like me) so i'm back in school which is hard cause i have to wait for the money to buy books

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I should have explained better. sorry, I m thinking of the big buisness careers not the average persons job. :uhm:

Pretend there were no illegal immigrints here. Imagine the jobs that would open up... The wages would go up because employers woulden't be able to get away with paying $3 an hour. The Government records illegal immigration with a census, how many really fill out that form? Imagine if they opened the border, Overpopulation. We would be like China. way to overpopulated. Then the real citizens would have to suffer for it. And we would have to learn spanish. Not that it hasn't already started though...

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probably not very many....but i see where you're going with this now so...yeah in big business it might have an effect but not the people like meeeee:lol:

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I'll just say he has more infinite wisdom than Clinton ever had...or could ever dream of for that matter...:p


[He's certainly not perfect though:cort:]

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bush also has his head in iraq clinton's was in america and i coulda have found a job easily then if i was old enough but i wasnt

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Because of my status in the company, I'm going to leave my personal opinion regarding our leader out of this topic. However, I would like to point this out.

The impact of his tax cuts are not causing gas prices to go down. The seasonal demand for gas and oil has gone down for the automotive industry with summertime and peoples love for driving during this time (Vacations, etc..) has gone down. With demand down, supply costs have dropped and it's more economical for the cost of the product to subside as a result. The downside is that for people that use gas heating, the price will go up for the wintertime as this is the primary time of use.

While this could be confused with a booming economy (The 8 trillion dollar debt says otherwise to this).. it's just pure happenstance. This fluctuation has gone on for many years before GWB took office. While the war did have an impact on the gas prices, you cannot blame it fully. The summertime fluctuation would have made it gone up anyway, it just went up quite a bit more then it should have due to that fact. Fully blaming either side on this issue is pointless. The real bastards in this equation are OPEC.

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I wasnt linking the tax cuts with gas prices, i guess i could have worded that better

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ZOMG n0e, no sig disclaimer?!

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Well...you can sit here and say he did a terrible job because you are looking at everything after the fact. It is like you already watched a football game and pointing out all the mistakes that where made after the game is over. At the time of the game....both teams did their best.

I like Bush a lot. Sure...he may have made mistakes...but at the time...the thought he was doing the right thing. You have that knowledge now...but we didn't have it right after 911.

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I completely agree, i really think Bush is doing what he thinks is best.
Unfortunatly, as the President of the United States, trying is not enough.
In the end, the results matter and i don't like the way those look at all. He started two wars with questionable motives (but the terrorists-! :rolleyes:).
He managed to hugely increase the budget deficit without any real benefits for the average citizen. His environmental policies are the worst in the first world. He supports radical fundamentalist christain groups.

Bottom line, i think he's one of the worst presidents the country's seen.

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well ... He isn't the worst karst ... But ... CLOSE> lol

n0e is correct though with the corellation of gas versus seasons.
3.18 in nys at the beginning of summer , 2.31 average now. Almost a bucks worth of difference there folks.
happens every year.

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if you lived where i lived you'd know his ideas are hurting areas like mine even though the dumbasses voted forim..i didn't i voted for kerry cause i figured he'd handle the home better but then he said that lil comment during the second term if he did run for election i wouldn't vote for him...

but anyway since bush has been in office my county has lost 10,000 jobs or higher...if i knew the website to the paper i'd tell you but i don't so i'll have to find the column and scan it.

lets not forget though while clinton was in office the gas prices were still under $2....and lets not forget about how he handled hurricanes katrina and rita

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Bush isn't fully responsible for the loss of jobs in your town. It's like blaming an entire outbreak of salmonila on Jack in the box. And about Clinton ? Gas still reached 3 bucks while he was in office. May not have happened in your town , but did where i live. So no clinton was no better. And remember his famous last words: " I did not have sexual relations with that woman".

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Bush sure made some stupid mistakes, but it is guaranteed he more than paid for them. That's the problem with being the president of the United States these days. Everyone is up your ass 24/7 for 4 years. Every second of every day is second guessed for political correctness. Golly Gee, we surely don't want to offend anyone.

The main reason I've liked him is because what he said when he first got in the white house. He wanted to bring dignity and honor back into the white house. Under the last 8 years i think he's done that and much much more. We just can't see it now. Maybe in 16 years from now we'll see things differently.

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I think people underestimate his intelligence because they disagree with him. They figure they are right and he is wrong, which is perfectly natural to think if you are convinced of something. But I think he is pretty intelligent and knows what he is doing, and believes what he is donig is right.

Whether or not he is right is a matter of opinon. If I had to generalize I would say I agree with his foreign policy but disagree with his domestic policies, especially No Child Left Behind and immigration.

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i can't really say i agree with anything he has done...no child left behind to the war in iraq.

before he went to iraq the logical thing to do would have been to gather more information and actually listen to the terrorist threats so he could stop them but he didn't.

and the jobs didn't leave until bush made it cheaper for them to go overseas and pay workers $1 an hour for something we'd get payed $5.15 an hour for

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Bah, I don't need no stinkin' disclaimer. I know better. :o

However this thread is really trying me as I want so desperately to take part in the debate, but cannot because I don't have said legal buffer. heh. Which is why I'm just trying to keep things in check on the facts and not offering opinions.. yet..

Who knows, I may need to offer my opinion sooner than later.

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lol yet?

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I can't say that I agree with him on every issue, but he has my full support on issues regarding the war on terror.

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even if it costs hundreds of thousands or millions of innocent lives? the "war on terror" is centralized in iraq for reasons i don't understand..

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Any president who takes a mass murderer and a dictator to trial is a hero!

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but is he still a hero when he says "fire at will" knowing he will kill hundreds or thousands of innocent people?

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Damn, way to slap spin on this issue.

Yeah, Bush went in with every intention of bagging as many civilians as possible.

:vikki:

The war on terror is centered on Iraq because that is where the terrorists decided to fight, not Afghanistan. We invaded Iraq to remove a dictator, they decided to come to the regieme's aid, so now we have to fight them. Simple.

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then why don't we push them back to Afghanistan? and why do we HAVE to fight them in iraq? i understand we blew up the city so rebuild, but why rebuild five times because some dumbass runs screaming "PRAISE ALLAH!" and blows himself up inside of the building?

that is another thing i don't understand if we didn't rebuild there wouldn't be anything for them to blow up.

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Yeah, because it's really that easy...

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well i'd prefer my tax money not get spent to rebuild a country that's getting blown up repeatedly if they don't have things to blow up they'd go somewhere else and we could chase them into a mountainous area like afghanistan

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Seriously, I'd love for it to work like that, but it doesn't. For more information, please talk to your neighborhood Army or USMC recruiter...

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yeah i suppose you're right since they'd still have the military vehicles as targets still, but if we hadn't of invaded iraq we wouldn't be in iraq fighting terror we'd be in the mountains of afganistan.

answer me one thing, if the gov't new that the terrorists were going to strike on 9/11 (cause they knew that they were going to cause osama sent them a tape.) why didn't they do anything about it?

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First of all, back up that statement that Osama sent anyone a tape. Terrorists always make bullshit claims anyways.

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ah but they didn't this time and osama has the money and people to do it and they knew it so they should have taken it very seriously, but it's to late now.

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What are you talking about?

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hes talking about why we are fighting terrorist in iraq...or trying to explain it to me rather...but that still isn't helping my understanding any.

i want to know if he can tell me without a shadow of a doubt that bush is 100% justified in invading iraq in the first place because i don't think bush has justified his reasons...so what if they were calling for help they are tired of us being there now...they would have uprose and forced saddam out of power in the long run anyway

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I know, I was being rhetorical. ;)

Just to clear things up, terrorists didn't come to "aid" Saddam. Al-Qaeda is not a Baathist group.

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True, but no all terrorists and insurgents are members of al Qaeda.

You're old enough to remember the run up to the war Fear, so I'll give you the short story. Nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons weren't the only things banned by the UN, also included were ballistic missiles that could fly a certain range (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/m...al_hussein.htm). Saddam still had these. He also refused to pay debts owed to neighboring countries for the problems he caused when he invaded Kuwait in 1990. This was all outlined in UN Resolution 1441, which stated that Saddam had to straighten his shit out. He didn't, and now he's paying the consequences.

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I'm very aware of the circumstances that surrounded Iraq prior to the invasion. Either way, I don't want to get into a quoffle about the Iraq War at the moment.

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If it was just about banned weapons, why didn't that happen to India, Pakistan, or Israel?

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How can someone say more or less infinite? :confused: :P infinite = infinite impossible to be more or less.

Anyhow guys.. my opinion of bush? He has been doing a bad job. But this is his last term, why complain? Ok, first of all he has done a REALLY REALLY bad job of getting Arab support on his work over there. Second..he hasnt tried to get muslims as a whole into the war on terror thing, which makes it seem like its a crusade(like he said himself) there would be alot of less hate if arabs had, had more say into issues concerning the middle east..And with John Bolton no vetoing everysingle alphabetical letter that comes up against the holy invincible land of Zion. Gases? I dont think he controls them, the oil companies do and they can keep them high up or low, regardless of the supply of oil. What I really really like about him is his stand on gay marriage and family values(which shows why historically the majority muslims in the US voted Republican till only a few years ago..) Iraq? well thats a bullshit war..we are there though, so we have to stay and finish it correctly(and god bless and protect the troops).. Israel/Palastine? dont know..depending on the president in office, we are either neutral(which is a big plus) or we give israel a cookie(tank/apache/bunker buster/etc.) whenever a Qassam lands on a rock and blows it to smitherines. Our Military? The best :) lets keep it that way, and I really hope democrats dont try to weaken them, or cut thier budgets and bonuses. Whatever other issue I missed/forgot you prolly already know my stance.

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Because India and Pakistan do not have any illegal weapons (neither are parties to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and the UN never ordered them to disarm as I recall) and Israel is our close friend and ally.

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And looking from it at a practical point of view you could point out that it is known that Pakistan, India, and Isreal have nuclear weapons, so invading them would be suicidal. It would be the same as invading North Korea in the future(could still possibly be done now, but no one would agree with me on that one I don't think)

Iraq was beleived to have chemical and biological agents, not nuclear weapons. You can defend in different ways from biological and chemical agents, atleast much better then you can against nuclear weapons. Also it was probaly beleived that Saddam would be the easiest to topple(and he was damn easy to take down) so it would serve as an example to other dictators that they should fix their little countries up or face the music.

And of note is that fact that not all people support the war in Iraq for the same reason. MY only real reason was because I wanted to see Saddam gone. I didn't think he had nuclear weapons and I didn't beleive he posed any immeidate danger to anyone, but he sure as shit made life hard for his people.

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Just for future reference, I feel the same way as Afterburner in regards to why I supported, and continue to support, the war.

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So in the end, it comes down to who the US and the UN want to mess with, and with whom they don't....
Sure, they weren't happy at all about Pakistan getting nukes. But can't be helped.

Exactly. Basically, by saying rules apply only to those you don't like, you're effectively labelling yourself supreme power in the world, and that's completely out of place for anyone to say. No single country has the right to make such a claim.

Edit: This doesn't really have much to do with Bush anymore....we shouldn't drift offtopic too much.

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and it's like i said in a different thread...no country can prosper by its self it has to have other countries to trade and shit with

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You Anti-Semetic whore! retract that statement NOW!

I wouldnt balme it on the whole administration and the party affiliated with the president really..just the current cabinet and its members including the president..I myself really am more republican at heart than I am democratic(well Im a centeist/reformist) but I think for example, that bush is bad not the republicans. Besides what does the UN do nowadays? :P




[just a small note to people who cant see my sarcasam somehwere in the post to look more closely ;) ]