Re: Bush and his infinite wisdom...or so we're told
 

so getting our soldiers killed is the best action to take.....weird, how can that be the best strategy when that makes the military weaker every time someone dies?

cause alot of someones is alot of people.

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We are a military at war, people will die.

It doesn't matter if we're going to be in Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, or North Korea. We will loose soldiers no matter where we fight. But you know what, that's just what happens. And for every one of my comrades they get, we kill or capture at least eight.

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then why doesn't bush push to get yall more money for better protective gear? or better medical treatment? is he afraid his shiny toys will get blown up?

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We have world class hospitals and protective gear that is saving lives that would have been lost even 10 years ago. The reason we are seeing so many amputees as a result of this war is because those are people who would have been killed a decade ago. Thanks to our amazing medical corps and top notch protective gear, their lives are being saved.

Look, you clearly don't know what you're talking about, so please stop.

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if you all have the best then why do you still die from a bullet...that if hit the best protective gear wouldn't even harm yall?

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I'm not even sure what you just said. But I'll run with it.

Because you can't run around looking like this guy:

http://www.uscav.com/prodinfo/enlarged/20600L.jpg

Re: Bush and his infinite wisdom...or so we're told
 

what does being covered in plastic have to do with being killed by a bullet that the best protective gear could have prevented?

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You can't have your entire body covered in kevlar and ceramic plating. You wouldn't be able to move. Like that guy.

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actually yeah ya could...since your joints can move you can still walk all you'd have to worry about would be the bombs....

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So now you're trying to tell a combat veteran what's the best sort of equipment to take into combat?

You are wrong. It would be incredibly restricting, not to mention hot. It's 130 degrees over there, 110 in the shade. How well do you think 100 pounds of ceramic plating would ventilate?

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Just drop it :P Your talking to a damned(no pun intended) Ranger. You were never in that situation, that stuff keeping you all covered up will seriously weigh you down, and by far restrict movement ALOT. Yeah im a kid, but let me see you go out in BDUs with a pistol belt, canteen, and a 50 pound ruck sack, and tell me how easy it will be. Now, THESE guys cary ALOT more equipment varrying from 55-100 pounds plus the extra kevlar and plates??? They can do it yes, but they will not be combat effective..hell you will get more deaths from how much slower they will be to reacting to ANYTHING.

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Thank you.

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just because they would be slower doesn't mean much. if they are protected from the bullet then they can still fight yes? how would there be more casualties? have snipers on top of buildings for the bombers and shit.

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100 pounds of armor protection, 100 pounds of gear, weapons, and ammo. Add to that 130 degree heat and you have a guy who is going to get blown up by an RPG or die of dehydration after 10 minutes of being in the sun.

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no you get me. and is it physically possible to die in 10 minutes from dehydration?

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There are still always blind spots. I take it you never heard of the Juba guy..(wellt he Islamic Sniper Brigade or whatever theyre called..) They always Aim for the blind spots in the armour because theyre always there. Unless you cover up the neck and joints, then theyre immobile.

And snipers cant do much against planted IEDs...well you can call in EOD but there isnt too much of them around since they keep being called up all over the country, and sometimes its still too late. Alot of the insurgents were NCOs and Officers in the Iraqi Army, they, although not trained as well as the US, still know how to kill.

And running is very important. And snipers take a while to train, and not everyone is elgible.

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how so? that they are not eligible....everyone that can fire a gun and hit what they are aiming at 11 times out of 10, like me. but i don't want to be in the military so i'm not going to be.

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http://usmilitary.about.com/od/armyt...iperschool.htm look at pre-reqs, that bogs down the candidates of Sniper school very seriously.

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like i said why wouldn't people who can hit what they aim at 11 times out of 10 be eligible?

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Because being a sniper is a lot more than just being a good shot. You have to have an outstanding psychological profile (in a good way), and be in peak physical condition. You must be incredibly patient as well.

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Dear god, I think we should all just add this kid to our ignore lists. I'm seriously beating my head just reading his posts. Should we get back on topic...now that I forget what the topic was...?

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if the scientists are right then 3/4 of americans won't qualify :|.

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A lot more than that. There is a stark contrast between what nutritionists and medical doctors regard as good physical condition, and what the US Army regards as peak condition.

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yeah i know lol. my cousin couldn't get in cause she couldn't even lift the pack xD.

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clinton did do a better job at least when clinton was in office i could have found a job if i was old enough. but now the only job here is the damn military.

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No he didn't. Bush was left cleaning up his mess ( a lot like Monica's face)
Try getting an education and moving to where the good jobs are, or did Bush mess that up for you too:rolleyes:

Then again with all the outsourcing to cough, India, I'd like to personally spit on Bush and bang his daughters.
:beer:

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lol i wouldn't he's not really worth the spit but the daughters, cough, nevermind heres what happened to them XD

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ...rse/index.html

lol even the secret service is clueless.

and i've went to 3 different counties looking for a job.

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Hey thats a great avenue to traverse :) (atleast imo for me..)

Re: Bush and his infinite wisdom...or so we're told
 

I'm sorry, maybe your fingers slipped. The what military?

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theres not even any farms hiring for tobacco workers, they pay the illegal immigrants $2 an hr to do it.

the DAMN military. and i say that because they are starting to annoy the hell out of me because they call every five seconds asking if i changed my mind.

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You are 20 years old dude, look up where the good jobs are and move.
What is holding you back?

Why you gotta bash the Military? Maybe that is just what you need ;)

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ok let me say it this way then...the DAMN RECRUITERS THAT KEEP CALLING MY HOUSE, is that better?

and with more than 1 county out of state, finding a job is harder than ever :|.

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Much.

Move out of state then.

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Yes, that is better. Recruiters are annoying. For some reason they even keep calling me.

Finding a job isn't harder than ever. Unemployment is at something like a six year low. If other people can find jobs, then you can too.

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i can't move to far, i'm back in school and i've looked in 3 tennessee counties and 2 or 3 kentucky counties.

walked in the human resources building and they started laughing at me. then i went to the individual businesses around and they told me they were firing people....sry for saying the damn military instead of the damn military recruiters :(.

just remember the unemployment % is only based on those that draw unemployment and not on people like me who can't draw unemployment.

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That sucks. Get your education finished and then you will be fine.
You could switch schools, no?

if i leave the state i'll lose what little scholarship i have...stupid lottery money...it only works in tennessee schools =\ and i don't know where the next tennessee trade school is.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/...oll/index.html

apparently they are saying the people ain't happy with bush...they like his daddy better, and they think the dmeocrats would do better than bush is.

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Or, maybe you should have paid a little more attention in school, last I checked jobs are a plenty. I moved 1500 miles from California to Colorado, leaving a high paying job. I came into Colorado without any prospects. I landed another job 3 days after arriving with about the same amount I made before. Education and common sense will land you a job if you really want one. I suspect you are one of those young bucks that want the high paying job right out of school? Well good luck my friend, you need to pay your dues like everyone else.

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maybe you should read the posts more carefully i said "i've been to 3 different counties in 2 different states and if i leave tennessee to move somewhere else i'll lose my grant money."

and another thing i wasn't looking for a high paying jobs, this was looking at factories like pella and restaurants like mcdonald's. and even the tobacco farmers have no openings. so tell me where are the jobs at period?

and i am still in school, and daja don't act so high and mighty. good for you, you can get a job in three days, now come here to the middle of nowhere and try that, i can't go to far without having at least enough to pay for the gas, and $5.15 an hour isn't going to pay for the gas.

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Then wait until you get out of college before you bitch about the job market.

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well since i want to get some money saved up so i can move to a better location after school i have the right to bitch :P

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Yes, you have the right to bitch. But you sound pretty stupid to those here who have no problem finding work.

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well when it takes you an hour to get to school with a car (the only one you could afford to buy) only gets about 18-20 mpg. and you live in the middle of alot of trees, that'd be good if everyone still heated with wood i'd cut and split wood for money but theres not anyone that heats with wood that i know of.

and how do i sound stupid when i tell you about how hard it is to find jobs here even though "bush created so many"? look and see in henry county carroll county and calloway county how many people are actually hiring, you probably won't see very many. and the ones i do qualify for theres about a 1,000:1 ratio, or 1 job 1,000 people.

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You live in such conditions, yet on a Monday morning at 9:15 CST you're sitting at your computer typing away on a forum. Peachy...

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i'm at school from 8am cst to 4pm cst. monday-friday. and it's a computer class.

Re: Bush and his infinite wisdom...or so we're told
 

Is it true they're talking about bringing back the draft?

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yes
but for different reason than you think.
the guy wants to bring it back because people have criticized others about their support to the war, yet its the poor usually who go to the army, so he wants to bring back the draft so that all classes of people must contribute.

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yeah they were talking about bringing the draft back but it was going to be for people between 18-42 not 26, which i thought was rather stupid.

and rangel is the only one pushing for a draft there's no one else that wants one but him so he's up shit creek without a paddle persay when it comes to the draft.