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Israel didn't sign the Non Proliferation treaty either mate, they aren't breaking international law by having nukes. The only problem with Israel is that they haven't come out and said they have nuclear weapons.

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http://www.killsometime.com/Video/video.asp?ID=430

Pretty good summery of infinite wisdom right here.

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Ah, the classic "Bush isn't the best at making speeches, therefor he's not good at anything" argument. Good one. :)

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Well then Sedistix, if you don't care either way, why would you post that?

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On one hand, our economy appears to be doing well, so something’s working with him in charge. Yet there’s the endless war in iraq, misc other issues, and of course his speeches which you can see for yourself.

As far as infinite wisdom, i don't think so, as the videos highlight. In other respects sure, he's done some good. So I'm drawn 50/50 for obvious reasons.

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So? It comes down to the fact that you think you can decide who has nukes, and who doesn't.

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personally i don't think bush has done to good of a job here. if hes done such a good job how come we've lost a few hundred thousand jobs while he gave 10,000 jobs back. it doesn't make sense.

about the nukes i think that's israel's business and none of ours actually since they are in the middle of a religious war for lack of a better spelling.

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When this country was just beggining, it wasn't the Presidents job, to make sure you or anyone else had a job. He doesn't own all of these companies out sourcing. He doesn't employ hundreds of Thousands of millions himself.
Stop blaming him for the job market. it's an excuse.

When this country began it was up to you to put food on the table. It is upto you to get trained in a craft or profession you will like to do. Nothing has changed in that aspect.

Nukes are everyone's business at this point. This shows your age and involvement in life. Ever heard of the five seasons ?
Winter, Spring, Summer, Fall, Nuclear Winter.
The wrong people having them can cause the wrong results. And i know what someone is going to say " Well who dcides who the wrong people are".
Well ... I don't really have an answer to that. I do know, i do not want countries associated with supporting Terrorists to have them ... That is a start.

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how can it not be his fault? there wasn't anyone leaving before he signed the bill that made it cheaper for them to go overseas for cheaper labor.

and i don't really care who has nukes just because they have them doesn't mean they can use them effectively.

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Are you kidding ?
Companies have been out-sourcing to the Uk and other areas for YEARS. Probably longer than you have been alive. I remember when it started. I was about ummm 10 ?
sooo 22 years.

You are putting the blame somewhere it doesn't belong. The job market waxes and wanes just like anything else in life.

If people don't spend money, companies don't make money, workers get put out of work, and companies look for cheaper ways of doing things.
Sorry to say , it isn't Bush's fault.

I was a business owner. I know how this works.
The way you put it. I should have been blaming bush for the last three years for the price of Lettuce and Tomatoes being as high as they were for a while. It wasn't Bush , it was the weather.

Common sense.

And about the nukes and using them effectively ? Close only counts in Horse shoes, hand grenades, and Nuclear arms.
A nuke (of common size) blown off in Canada will peel the paint off of cars in NYC. That seems to be pretty easy to understand.

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you still haven't told me how it's not bush's fault cause before he signed that bill business that moved out of the US would of had to of paid hundreds of millions of dollars every year in taxes while they were out of the US. and everyone in my county could feel it.

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No, it comes down to the fact that the United Nations hasn't said anything about them.

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i'm surprised though, when north korea said they were testing the UN went crazy, and the same is for iran as well.

well North korea has one now so they have their big toy to play with. i don't think that one nation should say who can have nukes and who can't, because in the end that would make the a hypocrit.

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Well then maybe Some americans shouldn't be soo damn lazy ? /sarcasm He doesn't control what the companies do. They can CLOSE down totally and go to another country. What control does anyone have over that. NOTHING ..... Maybe you should become president, you seem to know what it is to be president and what the job entails and what should and shouldn't be done, on a minute to minute basis. While you are at it Prez, would you mind getting some legislation passed that says : "Woman are not allowed out in the view of the public unless they are covered head to toe. If this is not followed, they are allowed to be raped because it is their fault." ( referenced from previous posts by feardamaverickhunters) It could be said that you are also wrong... Wait what am i saying? YOU ARE WRONG with that thread. But that is another story. Ready to become president yet ? You will get just as much crap as bush does , IF NOT MORE. Please think about it before you post... I am not happy putting you in your place. JK.

No it doesn't make anyone hypocritical.... You don't give a child a loaded weapon. Not because another boy has one , but because he is NOT responsible enough to know the rights and wrong of usage.
GOD STOP PLEASE> lol

ANd how did i not explain it to you .. Do you just pick and choose to read what you like ?
Your COUNTY is controled by STATE legistlature. It isn't like bush came through and said ....
" Blah blah County will lose 10,000 jobs this week la la la la "
It is the company's choices to leave .... Because it isn't Monitarily feasible for them to do buisness here in the states anymore.
Give me a break.... Don't show us THIS much ignorance to the " way things work" please.

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Since when is the United Nations one nation?

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I used to say that too... Along time ago. Think of it this way: Woulden't you rather us have Nukes than anyone else? I mean at least in wartime we woulden't have to worry about our people being Nuked because no one else would have them. And not only that the U.S. probably woulden't use them anyways.

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Here comes the "we're the only country that ever used nukes in war" arguement...

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Your probably right. Times were different then and it saved many many american lives. Also, we were not the agressors in that war. We also diddn't torture or execute innocent civilians. Dropping those bombs was a smart thing in my book. We warned Japan but they diddn't listen...:uhm: Eather way I still would rather us have Nukes than any other part of the world. We will only use them as a last resort.

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and why would i care if any other countries get nukes? besides we are in the nuclear power era right now anyone with nuclear plants can make the bombs so can't really stop them if they have the money to support it. but if they did manage to shoot them off, bush has anti bullshit missiles remember?

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Those are not guarenteed to work every time... A nucular weapon offers no chance of escape if one is launched you and Thousands of others will die. No compromise...

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Because this is what happens, just in case you don't know already...

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oh no yall said bush knew what he was doing so let's all put blind faith in the anti bullshit missile.

and yes i'm well aware of what does what to who. but i want to be a blind bush supporter where i think his stuff will work when it really doesn't....ok anyway enough with the running blind with bombs.

so north korea has 1 nuke...htey know as soon as they attack the US with it there'll be 2-3 going to attack north korea

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Step back and think about what you just wrote. Do you know anything about the Standard ARM missiles, or the PAC-III?

And no, we wouldn't nuke them in return. We don't have ones small enough for a response in kind.

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wouldnt have to have a small one...just plant 1 we got right smack dab in the middle

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Hey...isnt the HIROSHIMA? the North Koreans dropped it??!?!?!?!?!?! Damn..

Im still neutral on the topic..I dont think ANYONE in the world should have nukes, especially them. Nukes are very dangerous and volatile, no one should have them, but I dont think we can get people to stop making them until we take steps our selves to stop curbing the numbers of nukes that we have.

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I don't know if you know this but contrary to popular beliefe the President can't "handle" the economy, because if he did it would be called extream socialism or communism, the government can't regulate the economy at all. About the only thing he can do is increase government spending and create more government jobs. That's it. And if you still believe that he can controll the economy the how can you complain, the DOW just hit its highest mark ever, oh well I'll be, TODAY agian for 6th time in the past 2 weeks.

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The problem with nukes is that no one wants to be that guy without them. Because if you are then you are at risk. The best bet we have for making people top using nukes is to make an anti-nuclear shield of some kind, that renders radiation and nuclear blasts useless. Of course, that is science ficiton.

Actually casualties from war have dropped drastically since after WWII, and that is usually atributed to the fact that any major war could very well lead to the destruction of mankind, and everyone knows that. Nuclear weapons have saved billions of lives.

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Why give them a chance to use it? Where would they launch it? Think about this. Think of someone you really care about. What if that bomb hit somewhere near them? They would have no chance to survive and neither would thousands of others. The government is protecting its civilians. And you should be appreciative that they are. If there were a comfirmation that there were no nukes left in the world you think we would keep ours?

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actually yeah i do think we'd keep ours. and there's only one person i care about and if she dies in a nuclear attack then i would too since she doesn't live very far away. but anyway how do you know that they are in fact going to use them? do you have substantial proof besides of "the president said so"? and i don't trust very much of what the media says either.

if i wanted to spend my days worrying about a nuclear attack i'd already have grey hair. and if the government was really trying to protect us they would listen to the 9/11 commission instead of brushing them off without a care, and of course the fact that the terrorists send tapes to the white house before they attack.

and i ask again how is the government trying to save us from a nuclear attack if we had one since assassination of a leader is illegal. and we can't invade every country we think is going to attack us, cause we don't have the military power to do that, china does, we don't.

ok say you are a pilot trainer and a guy comes up to you and says "i want to learn how to fly the plain but not know how to land it" what would you think? would you turn him in as a terrorist or would you think he was joking?

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Perhaps you haven't looked at our economy lately...

The deficit is rapidly shrinking. Gas prices are down $1 since just a few months ago. The DOW is setting a record high almost every day this week.

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oh did bush finally get his head out of his ass or is he just trying to make republicans look good? well right now neither the democrats nor the republicans look very good.

of course they are going down since saudi arabia misses our money so much they are dropping the prices again, cause we don't have enough oil in alaska to supply everyone in the US with oil/gas for very long period of time. damn tree huggers.

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Again, wrong. OPEC was giving serious debate to jacking up the prices again when they went down.

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opec can go rot in a hole i wana see them make $7 an hour and be able to pay for everything...it's damn near impossible.

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You dodged the point.

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uh huh.....then why jack up the prices?

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Why would they jack up the prices? Influence the elections, generate a greater profit, lord their shit, who knows...

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i want to know something else too...how would it be damaging to the "war on terrorism" if we left iraq? we are still in afghanistan.

yay i can give rep now :P

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Well, the insurgents who aren't Iraqi aren't going to sit on their hands forever you know... Some might pack up for Afghanistan, others might start blowing crap up all over. Furthermore, think about why the terrorists are fighting us there. They want us to leave. So if we leave without doing our job, we're doing what they want. Last but not least, it would mean that the lives of the soldiers killed in Iraq were lost in vain.

That I can't stand for.

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You do realize that if you raise minimum wage the price of everything else goes up too. This happens because the imployer now has to pay his emploies more so in order for that imployer to make a profit he has to jack up his prices. So ultimantly the person making minimum wage ends up in the same possion as before.

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It is? :lookaround:

Yet the average American doesn't see any increase in their income or salary? How is this record setting helping us joe shmoes out? Most don't bother with the stock market...

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Actually, it would be reality if not for some stupid political party I won't mention...

Because they PERSIST in voting AGAINST missile defense systems.

It's called Strategic Missile Defense a.k.a STAR WARS, it was originally desgined to be space based chemical lasers.

The first one was scrapped because of politics with the Russians, which of course later admitted to researching and developing they're own SDI program.

TODAY, however, a certain moronic political party[iirc] consistently votes AGAINST such measueres.

[So there's no confusion I'll give you a hint: it's the party of John Kerry...]

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It doesn't make a nuke useless, just missles. Someone could still walk across the border with a nuke in a suitcase and do some damage. I'm saying the only way to make nuclear weapons truly uselss is to make something that cancels out the blast wave and radiation. Which, as far as I know, will be impossible for millions of years.

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The terrorist are fighting there because 90 to 96% of them are Iraqi. And they want the States to leave. That's why they're fighting.

And what's better, 2,900 soldiers killed in vain, or 10,000 killed for an unsure victory? Not to mention the Iraqi death toll... which is 50 times the American.

And the Vietnamese didn't attack the U.S. after they booted them out of South Vietnam. Just because the U.S. leaves doesn't mean that insurgents will go to the mainland States. Most would be too poor and not motivated.

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I am against how the war was started, but once it is underway you cannot just cut and run, that shows weakness. If we cut and run all that does is show the rest of the third world that if the US invades your country just throw a little resistance their way and they turn and run with their tales between their legs. Besides think of all of the american lifes that have been lost due to this struggle. Do you want to go tell their families that we have changed our minds about things and we are just gonna pull out. Good luck with that. Im so sick of north americans showing more sympathy for the iraqi people than our own people. Remember they are the ones blowing themselves, their fellow people, and our soldiers up. We are the ones trying to keep things in line, and for some reason your average iraqi citizen hates us for it.

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That is absolute bulls... Er, incorrect information. Not about the US leaving, that they obviously want. The percentage is so damn high I can barely fathom it. In a word: wrong.

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actually it's more like 20%-30% and how is moving to a different place a sign of weakness?

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Like I said before. The terrorists want us to leave. If we left, it would be bowing to their demands.

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oh so stay and get hit by roadside bombs is the best strategy?

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Compared to leaving, yes.

Perhaps we should be allowed to kick a little more ass, but other than that, yes.