Do you Jim take John to be your lawfully wedded something or other?

[-DarthMaul-]

By the way not all sects of christian have the ideal of NOT divorcing. I dont know what these religions say, but that was the case when the british king(meh world history class, forgot the name ,was it james? or something?) Threw out Catholicism for Anglicanism so he can get a divorce.

Besides, Judaism, Islam, and other religions also call it marriage, and also allow divorcing..it isnt only christians that are against Homosexuality.

[homo sine domino]

Originally Posted by -DarthMaul-

By the way not all sects of christian have the ideal of NOT divorcing. I dont know what these religions say, but that was the case when the british king(meh world history class, forgot the name ,was it james? or something?) Threw out Catholicism for Anglicanism so he can get a divorce.

Originally Posted by beef flaps

Gay couples being "married" is an oxymoron, religiously.

beef flaps used undefined religion as an argument, so can I.

Originally Posted by -DarthMaul-

Besides, Judaism, Islam, and other religions also call it marriage, and also allow divorcing..it isnt only christians that are against Homosexuality.

This argument is not really about the name of the relationships, as I wrote in the post above.

It wasn't allowed for quite some time.

I highly doubt Judaism, Islam and other religions "allow" divorce. The government allows people to divorce, if any. And the bishop or imam likely doesn't look upon it with happiness.

If we weren't living in these modern times, I'm quite sure the churches or mosques would not only look upon it with hate, but also actively ban it, as they did have that much power "back then".

[DevilRider]

Originally Posted by Mobius 1

If God really does exist is that what he inteneded? Cause last I checked, two men can't make a child together. Why would God be happy about that?

Yeah thats quite True

[the1chaos]

I'll just make my point one final time, because I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall here.

But it's a disease! They're sick! They're not normal!
There is no such thing as "normal". Few people have red hair, does that make red hair a disorder? No, it doesn't. Homosexuality is the same. Plus, I would have assumed that we grew above "but they're different!" as a reason to hate someone.

But God hates gays!
Really? Did he tell you? The bible says it's a sin, however it is not mentioned in the ten commandments, which are the ground rules of christianity. However, when one of those commandments does get broken, I hear none of you complain. Sabbath? Nah. Using the lords name in vain? Nah. Adultery? All the time. This is just hypocritical.

Fine, they can "unify", but they can't marry!
Then make marriage a religious cerimony only. Do not let straight people who are "unified" by law, but not by religion call themselves "married" either. Equal rights, equal situations, same name. We should be above the appartheit by now.

Originally Posted by beef flaps

With love there is sex. There is no love without sex.
Although you can have sex without love.

So, does that mean you have sex with your parents, siblings, children and friends?

[Safe-Keeper]

I don't see why the anti-gays don't just give up. Not only are you losing badly overall (you remind me of the Germans desperately trying to hold onto what little they had in April and May '45 when they should've given up long ago), but the debate itself, on whether or not to allow marriage between men, is like a bad re-make.

No, really: It has all the features and arguments of the old debate on inter-racial marriage: It's unnatural, against the culture the US's founded on, God hates it, the kids will be tortured in school, marriage traditionally is not inter-racial... Yadda, yadda yadda.

Same ****, new wrapping.

Oh, and the fallacies! Almost forgot !

[homo sine domino]

Originally Posted by SmackDown

Yeah thats quite True

Originally Posted by WhiteShark

Since when does a marriage imply children? What if the man or the woman is infertile? Should marriage be forbidden to those people?

What does marriage "these days" have to do with the religion anyways?

If you condemn gay marriage, you must condemn divorce as well. Why not protest against divorces?

What about sex before marriage? Isn't that also something God doesn't want? Why not protest against sex before marriage?

You don't seem to believe in God, what makes you use him as an argument then?

[Snake Morrison]

Who's supporting any of these other things you've brought up, Whiteshark? You seem to be avoiding the major issue at hand.

[Safe-Keeper]

If you condemn gay marriage, you must condemn divorce as well. Why not protest against divorces?

Indeed. Make yourself useful and find an effective way to combat divorce rates. Some ideas of mine:

• Educate students on why marriages fail, statistically.
• Educate them on what marriage is, what problems arises, etc.
• Educate them on how to raise children.
• Educate them on how to solve conflicts.
• Educate them on how to divide responsibilities.
• Get a job as a marriage counsellor.

There is no love without sex.

Nonsense.

[homo sine domino]

Originally Posted by gameplayerabm

Who's supporting any of these other things you've brought up, Whiteshark? You seem to be avoiding the major issue at hand.

You cannot simply support punishment for murder, while not condemning adultery, if you use God as an argument, as both are part of the ten commandments.

[Safe-Keeper]

Their are some natural rules in the world, and that sure as hell breaches them.

Nope.

It's been observed and proven (oh no, those two evil words from the evolution debate!) that over 400 animals in the world engage in homosexual intercourse. While some anti-gays may argue that "they're doing it to show authority" or whatever, no one can deny that same-sex intercourse is same-sex intercourse.

As a side note, sex for pleasure is as far as we know only undertaken by humans as well. Are you against that, too, since it's so "unnatural"?

Marriage is between a man and a woman.

Appeal to Tradition
Appeal to Common Practice
Appeal to Popularity

Three fallacies in one post. Impressive. Most impressive.

When someone says the word marriage you think of a woman and a man, not a man and a man or a woman and woman.

See above.

Gay couples being "married" is an oxymoron, religiously.

Maybe this will make you see how ridiculous it is to apply 2000-years old mythology to today's society, though I doubt it.

Not that it matters. If Christians can pick and choose from the Bible what to believe and follow, gays can, too.

Call it anything you want except marriege and I will back them up, otherwise I say screw them abnormal nuts.

Appeal to tradition again.

I'm so sick and tired of gayness being shoved into our faces on a daily basis its making me sick.

Your problem, not theirs.

I'm sick of seeing hot dogs everywhere I go, do you see me tell them to go back inside their houses to eat them?

That is pathetic.

I don't find it "pathetic" to fight for the same rights as everyone else. Do you find it pathetic that people goto through inter-racial marriage, too? That us left-handed people once got this funny idea there was nothing wrong with us? That those stupid Negroes suddenly tried to get themselves viewed as intelligent beings, like us whites?

Didn't think so. Oh, and me neither.

Sorry, but the whole thing grosses me out.

Hot dogs gross me out, yet you don't see me protesting when someone eat them in public. Look up "tolerance" the next time you're reading a dictionary.

Do whatever ya want in ur' bedroom, but don't bring it in public and try to make me the world like it...it ain't gonna happen.

Isn't it now. And just what rock have you been living under? It's getting more and more accepted every day.

Our children is the ones I feel sorry for.

Nothing new there. Same attitude reigned when inter-racial marriage was surfacing.

Whats next? teaching gayness in school?

Exactly what they said when inter-racial marriage was allowed, when racism was proven to be idiotic, and I could go on and on.

Sorry, bigots, but the schools don't agree with you. There's this stupid liberal fad called "civil rights" afoot, and damn if it ain't growing in strenght.

Yup, they already tried it in California school (forget which one) a book called my 2 mommies. The parents raised so much hell they took the book out...and this was GRADE SCHOOL!! Ya don't need to teach 7 and 8 year old kids about gay sex...or ANY sex...DAMN.

Yeah, how evil of them to teach kids of tolerance and equality. How evil of them indeed.

I dunno bro', when they start on kids so early trying to make the accept something wierd as something "normal", they're taking their agenda too far IMO.

I suppose you apply the same reasoning to teachers telling kids inter-racial marriage is normal and OK.

Why force polygamy and gay marriage on everybody else?

We aren't. Marry a man or don't. Your choice.

Homosexuality is a disease. Eye color is a trait.

Homosexuality is not a disease.

Besides, today's paper shows un happy results from the state with the word marriage
They are going to have to settle for "civil union" and live with it.

Appeal to Popularity

Ummm, you actually need me to prove to you that male butsex is sick? Really?

Parody mode: "Ummm, do you actually need me to prove to you that eating meat is sick? Really?"

Right, they are born with a brain disorder, disease, however you want to lable it. The shit ain't normal.

I have no idea where you get it from that diseases and brain disorders are "labels". I thought they were diagnoses made by proffesionals based on symptoms, not on logical assumptions such as "it's gross, so it's a disorder".

As for it not leading to reproduction and hence being a disorder, that's just downright ridiculous. Small breasts are one thing that can keep you from getting boys and having kids, norms being what they are today. I suppose you're born "genetically malformed" if you've got small breasts, then? I suppose this "error in your DNA" needs to be treated ASAP with silicone? What about this idea that you shouldn't have sex before getting married, or that prevention should be used? Clearly, as this leads to fewer children, the people who spout such views are sick?

Sorry, don't buy that.

Religion aside, a man and a man were not intended to have sex or breed. it's just not natural. Its 100% abnormal.

As a left-handed person, I felt a little hurt by that statement. After all, it's not like it's normal to write with your left hand.

Then I remember that the "abnormal=wrong"-argument is just an excuse and only applied to homosexuals. I feel better now.

No matter what MTV or Bravo channel tells you.

Straw Man.
No one here has cited MTV or Bravo.

Hey if they want to live that sick nasty life I say go right ahead, just call it something other when you want to get hitched is all i am saying.

Same with inter-racial marriage, I presume? Or are you specifically after homosexuals for some reason?

Cancer is a disease, not a disorder.

:lol: Good one, FancyPants. Way to go.

Oh, and to answer that: We're not talking about the "treatment" of homosexuals, we're talking about what rights to give them.

But yes, it's great that we don't treat cancer patients like homosexuals. I can picture you attacking them: "No, you can't marry that woman who's got cancer, as it'll encourage her tumor and it's not natural!"

Thanks. I needed a laugh.