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By the way not all sects of christian have the ideal of NOT divorcing. I dont know what these religions say, but that was the case when the british king(meh world history class, forgot the name ,was it james? or something?) Threw out Catholicism for Anglicanism so he can get a divorce.

Besides, Judaism, Islam, and other religions also call it marriage, and also allow divorcing..it isnt only christians that are against Homosexuality.

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beef flaps used undefined religion as an argument, so can I. This argument is not really about the name of the relationships, as I wrote in the post above.

It wasn't allowed for quite some time.

I highly doubt Judaism, Islam and other religions "allow" divorce. The government allows people to divorce, if any. And the bishop or imam likely doesn't look upon it with happiness.

If we weren't living in these modern times, I'm quite sure the churches or mosques would not only look upon it with hate, but also actively ban it, as they did have that much power "back then".

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Yeah thats quite True

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I'll just make my point one final time, because I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall here.

But it's a disease! They're sick! They're not normal!
There is no such thing as "normal". Few people have red hair, does that make red hair a disorder? No, it doesn't. Homosexuality is the same. Plus, I would have assumed that we grew above "but they're different!" as a reason to hate someone.

But God hates gays!
Really? Did he tell you? The bible says it's a sin, however it is not mentioned in the ten commandments, which are the ground rules of christianity. However, when one of those commandments does get broken, I hear none of you complain. Sabbath? Nah. Using the lords name in vain? Nah. Adultery? All the time. This is just hypocritical.

Fine, they can "unify", but they can't marry!
Then make marriage a religious cerimony only. Do not let straight people who are "unified" by law, but not by religion call themselves "married" either. Equal rights, equal situations, same name. We should be above the appartheit by now.



So, does that mean you have sex with your parents, siblings, children and friends?

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I don't see why the anti-gays don't just give up. Not only are you losing badly overall (you remind me of the Germans desperately trying to hold onto what little they had in April and May '45 when they should've given up long ago), but the debate itself, on whether or not to allow marriage between men, is like a bad re-make.

No, really: It has all the features and arguments of the old debate on inter-racial marriage: It's unnatural, against the culture the US's founded on, God hates it, the kids will be tortured in school, marriage traditionally is not inter-racial... Yadda, yadda yadda.

Same ****, new wrapping.

Oh, and the fallacies! Almost forgot:smokin: !

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Who's supporting any of these other things you've brought up, Whiteshark? You seem to be avoiding the major issue at hand.

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Indeed. Make yourself useful and find an effective way to combat divorce rates. Some ideas of mine:

• Educate students on why marriages fail, statistically.
• Educate them on what marriage is, what problems arises, etc.
• Educate them on how to raise children.
• Educate them on how to solve conflicts.
• Educate them on how to divide responsibilities.
• Get a job as a marriage counsellor.

Nonsense.

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You cannot simply support punishment for murder, while not condemning adultery, if you use God as an argument, as both are part of the ten commandments.

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Nope.

It's been observed and proven (oh no, those two evil words from the evolution debate:eek:!) that over 400 animals in the world engage in homosexual intercourse. While some anti-gays may argue that "they're doing it to show authority" or whatever, no one can deny that same-sex intercourse is same-sex intercourse.

As a side note, sex for pleasure is as far as we know only undertaken by humans as well. Are you against that, too, since it's so "unnatural"?

Appeal to Tradition
Appeal to Common Practice
Appeal to Popularity

Three fallacies in one post. Impressive. Most impressive.

See above.

Maybe this will make you see how ridiculous it is to apply 2000-years old mythology to today's society, though I doubt it.

Not that it matters. If Christians can pick and choose from the Bible what to believe and follow, gays can, too.

Appeal to tradition again.

Your problem, not theirs.

I'm sick of seeing hot dogs everywhere I go, do you see me tell them to go back inside their houses to eat them?

I don't find it "pathetic" to fight for the same rights as everyone else. Do you find it pathetic that people goto through inter-racial marriage, too? That us left-handed people once got this funny idea there was nothing wrong with us? That those stupid Negroes suddenly tried to get themselves viewed as intelligent beings, like us whites?

Didn't think so. Oh, and me neither:smokin:.

Hot dogs gross me out, yet you don't see me protesting when someone eat them in public. Look up "tolerance" the next time you're reading a dictionary.

Isn't it now. And just what rock have you been living under? It's getting more and more accepted every day.

Nothing new there. Same attitude reigned when inter-racial marriage was surfacing.

Exactly what they said when inter-racial marriage was allowed, when racism was proven to be idiotic, and I could go on and on.

Sorry, bigots, but the schools don't agree with you. There's this stupid liberal fad called "civil rights" afoot, and damn if it ain't growing in strenght.

Yeah, how evil of them to teach kids of tolerance and equality. How evil of them indeed.

I suppose you apply the same reasoning to teachers telling kids inter-racial marriage is normal and OK.

We aren't. Marry a man or don't. Your choice.

Homosexuality is not a disease.

Appeal to Popularity

Parody mode: "Ummm, do you actually need me to prove to you that eating meat is sick? Really?"

I have no idea where you get it from that diseases and brain disorders are "labels". I thought they were diagnoses made by proffesionals based on symptoms, not on logical assumptions such as "it's gross, so it's a disorder":confused:.

As for it not leading to reproduction and hence being a disorder, that's just downright ridiculous. Small breasts are one thing that can keep you from getting boys and having kids, norms being what they are today. I suppose you're born "genetically malformed" if you've got small breasts, then? I suppose this "error in your DNA" needs to be treated ASAP with silicone? What about this idea that you shouldn't have sex before getting married, or that prevention should be used? Clearly, as this leads to fewer children, the people who spout such views are sick?

Sorry, don't buy that.

As a left-handed person, I felt a little hurt by that statement. After all, it's not like it's normal to write with your left hand.

Then I remember that the "abnormal=wrong"-argument is just an excuse and only applied to homosexuals. I feel better now:D.

Straw Man.
No one here has cited MTV or Bravo.

Same with inter-racial marriage, I presume? Or are you specifically after homosexuals for some reason?

:lol: Good one, FancyPants. Way to go.

Oh, and to answer that: We're not talking about the "treatment" of homosexuals, we're talking about what rights to give them.

But yes, it's great that we don't treat cancer patients like homosexuals. I can picture you attacking them: "No, you can't marry that woman who's got cancer, as it'll encourage her tumor and it's not natural!"

Thanks. I needed a laugh:smokin:.