Do you Jim take John to be your lawfully wedded something or other?

[Dreadnought[DK]]

Originally Posted by beef flaps

Every straight male is turned off by mansex, this I know.

But most straight males are turned on by womansex, this I know.

[the1chaos]

Originally Posted by beef

Ummm, you actually need me to prove to you that male butsex is sick? Really?
Homosexuality is not a choice they make, now is it? They are born with it, right?
Right, they are born with a brain disorder, disease, however you want to lable it. The shit ain't normal.
Religion aside, a man and a man were not intended to have sex or breed. it's just not natural. Its 100% abnormal. No matter what MTV or Bravo channel tells you.
Hey if they want to live that sick nasty life I say go right ahead, just call it something other when you want to get hitched is all i am saying.

So, that's a no then. The only thing you just said was "I think it's sick, and you can't choose to have it, so it must be a disease.". According to that logic I can claim red hair to be a disease. It looks disgusting, and you can't choose your hair color, so it must be a disease, non?

Just because it "isn't your cup of tea" to put it delicately it isn't sick perse. I might not like redheads, but that doesn't mean having red hair is sick. It's just a preference. Either way, this is probably wasted effort. You'll probably discard it with "lol penis up da bum is sick!" or something of the sort. I honestly think that's sad, but it's your own choice.

[Reno]

Originally Posted by beef flaps

Ummm, you actually need me to prove to you that male butsex is sick? Really?
Homosexuality is not a choice they make, now is it? They are born with it, right?
Right, they are born with a brain disorder, disease, however you want to lable it. The shit ain't normal.
Religion aside, a man and a man were not intended to have sex or breed. it's just not natural. Its 100% abnormal. No matter what MTV or Bravo channel tells you.
Hey if they want to live that sick nasty life I say go right ahead, just call it something other when you want to get hitched is all i am saying.


I don't but hopefully the sane ones in power will
Hey kids I know its "cool" these days to not conform and rebel so i know in my heart all of you straight males here know what I am talking about.
Every straight male is turned off by mansex, this I know.

I made a point before that proves the definition of homosexuality is indeed a normal status.

Originally Posted by Bob L. Scrachy

1.51% of the total U.S. population identifies themselves as gay, lesbian or bisexual, or a total of 4.3 million Americans.

source ===> http://www.adherents.com/adh_dem.html

With population numbers in the millions you can easily classify it as normal behavior albeit not mainstream.

Homosexual is a label for a group of people with a certain preference. The odds of you being able to tell one homosexual from regular person are slim. Gay people have a stereotype of acting fruity, but that’s not the common behavior. They act, look, and sound just like you or me. They go to college, work at regular jobs, and they are from all different races and backgrounds. They just have different attractions.

Think about this. What your doing by separating them as a different group of people with values and customs lower than your own. Hitler did the same thing to the Jews just before he started gassing and throwing them into incinerators.

Language and culture are dynamic functions of society. If the majority of society decides that a status is normal then you will see a shift in the definition of that status.

We've seen it over and over again throughout history. Races, colors and creeds all are defined by the agreement of society. With many countries already having defined homosexuality as a normal status, how long do you think it will take for the US to catch up.

You remind me of the white supremacist of the last century debating whether or not African Americans had souls.

[Joe Bonham]

Originally Posted by the1chaos

Do you have any proof to back that up, whatsoever? Besides the "if you want a penis up your bum you're sick" claim, which is infact the equivilent of saying "bcuz i say so!"?

I do not care for the name marriage itself. I just think that civil unions should have the same name for both straight and gay couples. Either call both marriage, or call both civil unions and keep marriage as a religious cerimony. It's the fact that people like you make such a problem of this and try their best to make them feel different (by giving it a different name) that people do not feel fully equal yet.

No, Beef is using one of the two arguments attempting to define homosexuality.

1) Homosexuality is a genetic/inborn trait that you start out with and can't control.

Since the biological purpose of all creatures is to reproduce, any trait that prevents reproduction is a disorder, since it prevents the creature from fufilling its purpose. This is the argument Beef is using, and it is quite sound - even if it is not politically correct.

Or...

2) Homosexuality is a choice.

This possibility is backed by a lot of evidence, and I personally believe it.

Modern Western countries and ancient societies like Athens and Rome have populations that are almost identical genetically. Yet the compared rates of homosexuality are radically different. So that could very well mean that your sexual appetite is determined by your personal choices and the culture you were raised in.

If this is the case, then that would disprove the argument for gay marriage - since the gays could simply marry straight and have kids normally. There are cases of this on record. A supposedly "gay" man producing kids, and then deciding he's gay and dumping his family for another man.

[Sedistix]

I've always thought that bisexuals as nothing more then indecisive homosexuals. On one had they're eager to appear traditional, yet on the other unprepared to commit to the stigmas associated with being full blow gay.

That seems like a pitiful existence..

[Fez Boy]

Originally Posted by beef flaps

No.
Homosexuality is a disease. Eye color is a trait

Actually, you are wrong.

[Primarch Vulkan]

too bad they arn't hot dikes

[WarHawk109]

I'm totally fine if they want to call their relationships a "marrage," just don't force me to call it a marriage.

Better to get the gov't out of the marriage business completely.

[beef flaps]

Originally Posted by Dreadnought[DK]

But most straight males are turned on by womansex, this I know.

Well that all depends if they're hot or hogs

Actually, you are wrong.

Actually, I'm right.

I made a point before that proves the definition of homosexuality is indeed a normal status.

No, being a homosexual is not normal. It's far from normal.

[Mr. Pedantic]

Well, it depends what you define as normal. And I sure as hell do not think homosexuality is a disease - it is just a disorder.

Actually, do you think that homosexuality is influenced by the environment (like, if people live around a predominantly homosexual population, are they more likely to be homosexual themselves?