Do you Jim take John to be your lawfully wedded something or other?

[Dursk]

homosexuality is not determined before birth...EVER.

In some small population there maybe a predisposition to homosexuality...Hormone imbalances but genes are incapable of telling you what to do. You still have to chose...even in predispositions.

[Mr. Pedantic]

How would you know? Have you ever asked anybody whether they became homosexual before or after birth?

[Zab]

Originally Posted by Saquist

homosexuality is not determined before birth...EVER.

And your evidence for this can be found where?

The Bible? :lol:

Why would someone choose to be gay, if they could be straight?

[AlDaja]

Well…sexual preference and base personality traits for that matter, is a biological state and are present whether any of us want to admit it or not when we are born. If all the wires in the brain are in order, the animal part of the brain will naturally catapult towards the opposite sex and even for hedros a certain form of ambiguous curiosity of both sexes will present itself briefly during pre-adolescence with most of the population defining its preference towards continuation of the species – but not all. I have a couple of gay acquaintances, and both of them admitted that they knew they were different from a very young age, usually trying to ignore it or act the part everyone expected, but in the end wound up accepting who they were. The Science Channel recently had a special on this subject and new brain imaging studies have indicated that people who are “gay” show remarkable similarities to brain activates associated with the sexual preference they adhere to. Meaning that even though they look male or female on the outside they truely do feel and act the opposite inside for some it is so profound that they will go through any means to look physically like the sex they prefer. I found it very interesting and it does back up the “born that way” statement. – Just a thought folks.

[Mr. Pedantic]

See? I also saw an article, which said homosexual people actually had their brains wired like the opposite sex.
However, I have a question - if homosexuality, and the preference for being the opposite sex, are determined during gestation, then do homosexuals emit male, or female-attracting pheromones?

[AlDaja]

Originally Posted by Spider149

See? I also saw an article, which said homosexual people actually had their brains wired like the opposite sex.
However, I have a question - if homosexuality, and the preference for being the opposite sex, are determined during gestation, then do homosexuals emit male, or female-attracting pheromones?

Well, I would presume that they are confined by the body they are in…I would suspected they produce a pheromone that the attracted individuals brain makes since of the best it can – but whose to say, only one chromosome separates man from woman…why do you think we men have an open cavity in our pelvis area and dormant mammary glands or for that matter women with a smaller version of a penis (the clitoris) or have to take estrogen after menopause to avoid taking on masculine characteristics.

[Dursk]

Originally Posted by Spider149

How would you know? Have you ever asked anybody whether they became homosexual before or after birth?

Ive actually have asked almost every gay person I came across.
while I'don't have numbers...

I'm not bragging...but I seem to get hit on....alot.So I ask.
Most said they were'nt born with it. It was there opinion that this is a common excuse for explaining who they were to friends and family.

This same majority have told me frankly that they had suffered abuse at a yound age by another male.

I've come tot he conclusion as a result that the figures of homosexual rape is a lie. I've alreay met more people...young men...than I'd care to know that have been abused by other men. I can no longer accept that the majority of child sexual predators target little girls.

In any case no one can know if they were born with it. It's a scientific question of pschology and biology...Recolection and mentality at that age is indeterminite without any clear boundaries.

[AlDaja]

In any case no one can know if they were born with it. It's a scientific question of pschology and biology...Recolection and mentality at that age is indeterminite without any clear boundaries.

Saq, I hate to disagree with you on this one, cause I usually don’t. But you can’t say that…because recent science has identified “being born" with sexual or personality traits is a fact weather any of us like it or not. Research in the field of genetics has revealed a lot about our and other species that we had no idea was possible or plausible. But hey I’ll throw you a bone for another thread…recent 4-D ultrasound imagining proves that unborn fetuses cry and open their eyes after 29 weeks! I think that is pretty cool; which is why I don’t support abortion, and this is one religion got right. As I’ve said before science in many ways can prove or disprove religious concepts. Picking it apart is what gets us all in trouble in the realm of evolution and creation. We need to take both concepts and find a way to merge it, which many of us do – I do. I believe in a symbiotic concept of evolution and creation, not to would imply the divine is sloppy.

[Dursk]

I've yet to see any truely conclussive evidence along those lines Aldaja.

I said this before...

In some small population there maybe a predisposition to homosexuality...Hormone imbalances but genes are incapable of telling you what to do. You still have to chose...even in predispositions

So i agree with you....the thing is about gentics and our genome is that we don't know what all the consequences lead to...

As it stands ...They can link sexuality to a gene/chemical...does it decided sexuality...that's up in the air...because to say so would mean that we know all the out comes of all the combinations...and we don't.

[Joe Bonham]

Originally Posted by Zab

Why would someone choose to be gay, if they could be straight?

A variety of reasons. If there's no taboo against it, it can simply be a casual form of recreation - like in Ancient Athens (Though they did have their own taboos and rules concerning the practice).

It can also happen if there simply aren't any women around (We can see this in the animal kingdom, where males "relieve" themselves or each other)

Or maybe the guy just lacks the maturity and/or skills to deal with women.