Do you Jim take John to be your lawfully wedded something or other?

[masked_marsoe]

No, the imaginations suit our needs, that's why they are there. And by "our needs", I mean the needs of the people who start the imaginations.

[Dursk]

Therefore Imagination does not equate to irrelevant.

[homo sine domino]

Originally Posted by Saquist

i WOULDN'T say perverted but the bahavior that the gay pride floats is just a perverted as the loose and explicit conduct at Mardi Gras....

Not all gays celebrate "gay pride". And the ones who do, don't necessarily do it at the gay parade.

Originally Posted by Afterburner

The parades step over the line once they become aggravating to to people who are just trying to mind their own business and don't want to see shit like giant inflatable penises.

1. Who invented the "inflatable penises" argument?...
2. Imagine the following:

Now I come a long. I walk along the street and suddenly this weird dude called Afterburner comes along. I don't want to see you.

Now what to do?

Originally Posted by Afterburner

Seriously, go ahead and parad, but you don't need to be so fucking loud about it.

They should stop doing what they're doing because you say so?

Originally Posted by Afterburner

All it does is distrupt the lives of people who really don't care.

Apparently the "people who really don't care" do care.

Originally Posted by Afterburner

It isn't going to help you any.

Are we talking about a gay "parade" or a "demonstration"? If you mean the latter, politely asking for their rights surely won't help them.

Originally Posted by Saquist

No human law is absolute and no law should be followed absolutely. You will find no justice in the black and white of the written law.

If you were not granted the rights of the first amendment, because someone thinks you shouldn't be granted those rights, I don't think you'd simply accept it.

[Afterburner]

Originally Posted by WhiteShark

Now I come a long. I walk along the street and suddenly this weird dude called Afterburner comes along. I don't want to see you.

Am I doing something that particularly sets you off? If so you can ask me to stop. If I'm not acually DOING anything, and I'm just walking down the street, then it is your problem.

Now what to do?They should stop doing what they're doing because you say so?

Yes. I've got no problem's with gays. I have a few friends who are gays and I never feel uncomfortable about them. But it is annoying when a bunch of people participate in large parades that block traffic and just in general annoy the hell out of me, and all over "marriage".

Apparently the "people who really don't care" do care.

No, I mean they didn't care before hand if you were gay or not, they just wanted to get on with their lives. But now you run around outside shoving it in their face, blocking traffic, and waving banners in their face and you simply piss them off. My point is that it does more harm then good.

Are we talking about a gay "parade" or a "demonstration"? If you mean the latter, politely asking for their rights surely won't help them.If you were not granted the rights of the first amendment, because someone thinks you shouldn't be granted those rights, I don't think you'd simply accept it.

I also wouldn't do anything to bother people who arn't causing me and harm. It's the same as demonstrating at a soldier's funeral to protest the war. You are protesting in front of people who are doing nothing to you, and all you are doing is pissing them off some more. Go protest on the steps of the Lincoln memorial or in the park or something, not int he streets where you block Joe Average's trip to work and back.

[Joe Bonham]

1. Who invented the "inflatable penises" argument?...

Go to San Fransisco and watch the guys walking by in their inflatable penis costumes... its gross.

Then go to a college campus and see the Vagina Monologues and their giant inflatable vaginas.

[homo sine domino]

Originally Posted by Afterburner

Am I doing something that particularly sets you off? If so you can ask me to stop. If I'm not acually DOING anything, and I'm just walking down the street, then it is your problem.

In this example, you annoy me. Particulary because you are walking down the street. So it's my problem? What if I found people who were also annoyed simply by your existence?

Originally Posted by Afterburner

But it is annoying when a bunch of people participate in large parades that block traffic and just in general annoy the hell out of me, and all over "marriage".

As I asked, demonstrations or parades?

Originally Posted by Afterburner

No, I mean they didn't care before hand if you were gay or not, they just wanted to get on with their lives. But now you run around outside shoving it in their face, blocking traffic, and waving banners in their face and you simply piss them off. My point is that it does more harm then good.

Just like it did more harm then good when Rosa Parks refused to move to the back of the bus?

Originally Posted by Afterburner

I also wouldn't do anything to bother people who arn't causing me and harm. It's the same as demonstrating at a soldier's funeral to protest the war. You are protesting in front of people who are doing nothing to you, and all you are doing is pissing them off some more. Go protest on the steps of the Lincoln memorial or in the park or something, not int he streets where you block Joe Average's trip to work and back.

The people need to be in the spotlight to be noticed.

People could protest in their own backyard, that won't get the message across though.

Originally Posted by Machiavelli's Apprentice

Go to San Fransisco and watch the guys walking by in their inflatable penis costumes... its gross.

Then go to a college campus and see the Vagina Monologues and their giant inflatable vaginas.

And then you apply the argument to all gays out there? Which would you prefer "..." or "" ?

[Afterburner]

Originally Posted by WhiteShark

In this example, you annoy me. Particulary because you are walking down the street. So it's my problem? What if I found people who were also annoyed simply by your existence?

So I'm not actively doing something to annoy you? I am minding my own business and I still annoy you? Well, you sure are a shitty human being(j/k, of course) I'm saying that these parades are actively blocking people's paths, and are actively annoying people. And all of this over marriage?

As I asked, demonstrations or parades?

I already said, parades.

Just like it did more harm then good when Rosa Parks refused to move to the back of the bus?

Because many people back then hated blacks. How many people actually hate gays? Sure there are some but I would be willing to bet that atleast 75% of the people in America couldn't care less what your sexual preference is. Whatever floats your boat. But then you have parades that simply annoy the hell out of them, and you turn them against you. You rn't proving a point, you are merely pissing off people that weren't even working against you.

People could protest in their own backyard, that won't get the message across though.

Just don't block the streets. Do it in the park or go to someplace like Washington D.C. and protest at one of the memorials or something. That way you don't ruin the day for the guy who doesn't care what you do, and is simply trying to live his own life.

[Joe Bonham]

And then you apply the argument to all gays out there? Which would you prefer "..." or "" ?

If you didn't want to know what we meant by inflatable penises, you shouldn't have asked.

Don't ask a question if you don't want an answer.

""

[homo sine domino]

Originally Posted by Afterburner

So I'm not actively doing something to annoy you? I am minding my own business and I still annoy you? Well, you sure are a shitty human being(j/k, of course) I'm saying that these parades are actively blocking people's paths, and are actively annoying people. And all of this over marriage?

Yeah, pretty ridiculous, ain't it? Just give 'em the same rights that you have and everyone's happy, no one's blocking anyone's path...

Originally Posted by Afterburner

I already said, parades.

But blocking a street for political means are demonstrations and not parades.

Originally Posted by Afterburner

Because many people back then hated blacks. How many people actually hate gays? Sure there are some but I would be willing to bet that atleast 75% of the people in America couldn't care less what your sexual preference is. Whatever floats your boat. But then you have parades that simply annoy the hell out of them, and you turn them against you. You rn't proving a point, you are merely pissing off people that weren't even working against you.

You obviously are. If people accepted gay marriages in the first place, gays wouldn't need to do this. If you want one to blame, blame the people who hate gays / are against gay marriages.

Originally Posted by Afterburner

Just don't block the streets. Do it in the park or go to someplace like Washington D.C. and protest at one of the memorials or something.

Originally Posted by Machiavelli's Apprentice

If you didn't want to know what we meant by inflatable penises, you shouldn't have asked.

Don't ask a question if you don't want an answer.

I'm afraid I didn't understand that statement correctly.

I wanted to know who "invented" the inflatable penis argument to find out afterwards why people keep saying "gay parade -> inflatable penis", because it's ridiculous.

[Afterburner]

Originally Posted by WhiteShark

You obviously are. If people accepted gay marriages in the first place, gays wouldn't need to do this. If you want one to blame, blame the people who hate gays / are against gay marriages.

"Gay marriage" is an oxymoron, because marriage is the union of a man and a woman. And don't throw me that bullshit about how we can change the definition. If that is the case then from now on I shall extend the meaning of the word "tree" to include small children.

Create Civil Unions that both straights and gays and get to receive the benefits a married couple currently receive, and then let Churchs' deal with marriage.