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Old October 30th, 2006   #161
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No one is going to support someone who have a 10 foot tall blow up penis with them asking for equality. Running into churches and acting like idiots is not going to get you equality. What gays are doing now is the equivalent of the black panthers and Malcolm X in the 60's. They are not improving relations, only informing issues.

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Likewise you can hide the fact that you are gay. But just like you're blonde underneath your brown hair-dye, you are homosexual under your gay facade.
Yes you can. People hide the fact that they are murderers, rapists, and pedophiles for their entire life. That one politician who was doing stuff with pages was gay, but no one noticed until a few weeks ago.

Nail the closet shut.
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Yes you can. People hide the fact that they are murderers, rapists, and pedophiles for their entire life. That one politician who was doing stuff with pages was gay, but no one noticed until a few weeks ago.

Nail the closet shut.
If being homosexual is who they are, so be it. You want these people to hide it and be miserable for the rest of their lives? You are who you are...

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Yes, but that does not give you the right to around and falunt it. I would go to jail if I went around saying I am proud to be white, and straight. But it is fine for someone to say they are proud to be black or gay....

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Yes, but that does not give you the right to around and falunt it. I would go to jail if I went around saying I am proud to be white, and straight. But it is fine for someone to say they are proud to be black or gay.
Well, I suppose the rationalization for that is that the white man has not had to overcome adversity (yet anyways). Plus, we are a majority and not a minority, however that is besides the point...

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It's not about popularity. It's about gaining respect from your fellow man. I don't really like gay pride parades myself, however I doubt that is their only means of protest.

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Ya. Although they were "relaxed" with other things too, such as slavery, I think what you posted can be seen as a positive example.
Yeah, but 'slave' was basically a class, just like 'criminal', or 'politician', or 'plumber'. people could be sold into slavery as a punishment, for serious crimes, and prisoners of war weren't Roman citizens anyway, so it was all right.

But the ancient Romans and greeks had catamites and 'taggers-on' in the sexual sense as well, and some of their 'companions' were male. They did try to keep hushed about it (a good decent Roman having a same-sex partner was frowned upon), but there wasnt the sort of debate and uproar that being gay has now.
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You are who you are...
Hitler was who he was.

I'm not disagreeing with you, that is just a very poor justification.


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Hitler was who he was.
Comparing one nutjob to the millions homosexuals? That is very effective...

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How is it a poor justification?

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Yeah, but Hitler being who he was didn't make World War 2 and the Holocaust inevitable - just more likely. It was everybody else who tipped Hitler into power and War - for example, the Allies and the Treaty of Versailles.
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Comparing one nutjob to the millions homosexuals? That is very effective...
I wasn't comparing, I was just applying your very same argument to something else.


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Because you can use it as a justifcation for virtually anything; a murderer, a bank robber, someone with a psychological disorder etc etc

Note: I am not trying to compare homosexuals to any of these things, I am just applying your argument.


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Well, since I don't believe in God, I think you are not who you are, but who you decide to be.
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