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Why is it a horrible trait, i dont think ive heard you say why it is, all i know is that you have said, my parents have brought me up to think is wrong. Whilst i know you are respecting you parents wishes, it doesnt look like you have an open mind towards life. As previously stated.

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indeed mr gavin well said

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Yes, well, conditioning can be a prime motivating factor.

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You still haven't answered one of my questions - what is wrong with homosexuals? "It's just wrong" doesn't really constitute an answer.

I don't really think all that much is censored in the western world. Certainly not as much as in China anyway.

Going back to that book, it says:

*Maomei is the name of the person who could well be the lost daughter of Chairman Mao. The people who wrote the book retraced the route of the Long March, and met with Maomei on the way.

How is the length of the long march, or the possibility of a surviving descendant of Chairman Mao, going to affect people's protection?

I have said before, and I will say again - you do indeed write extremely good English for a Chinese person. I regret that the most I can speak of Chinese is a few words. I am not trying to imply that you are a stupid idiot, certainly not. Nevertheless, I do think you are not as open minded as you could be. You seem loathe to accept any of the arguments presented to you. And I am not small minded. I also have been to good schools. I don't know what you based that claim on.

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also its becuase she thinks she is right and only her opinions matter.

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I, in good conscience can not agree with or specify anything of the kind.

When a man marries a woman and vice versa it is a union designed to join mothers fathers brothers and sister...cousin Aunts and Uncles...It is also designed to preserve a future for both families.

It is litteraly a forge between families...people and potentially nations and thus the entire Earth.

True one man and one woman our Families began. You wish me to standarize any combination as a family. I can not.

A mother and a child or father and a child are broken families but ar still more of a family than two men. Why.

Because man and woman will always be the most ideal method to not only to expand the human family but to raise the human family. Homosexauls often veyr very often do not have the propper mental disposition to raise children. And it's unique. They've suffered from a type of abuse that is cyclic and cancerous: Prone to repetition. Most of this is never reported. We'd be fools to think that surveys are wholely acurate.

Exposing children to such a high risk of abuse is apauling. I would not do so with a heterosexual couple as a homosexual couple. Now we're dealing with a whole classification of individuals who have had a strong chance of abuse by their very sexual nature.

Children raised under this arrange will lack the proper perspective of the missing gender.

Offically I can not ever condone exposing a child to this risk.
Unofficially I must also recongnize that some of these homes have been better than the traditional family system.

For me this is merely the further decline of "family" arrangements.

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Hah! "A, b and c happen, but nobody talks about it so there isn't any evidence. It still happens though. Honest."

Even if they adopt a daughter and a son? And children raised in a house where the mother or father is not there for whatever reason would also experience this, so it doesn't really count.

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iF You mean I have no empirical evidence you're right. I believe that evidence is flawed. I have only my own experiences and conversations with homosexuals which fit the facts.



I address that as calling them broken families. and Yes...those children will also have a disadvantage.

Untill recently adoption agency we've this as risky to place children in single parent families for that very reasons.

SO it does count.

There is a swelling of children to be placed. They simply had no choice but to do the best they could and monitor the situations.

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Saquist has a point, exposing a child to homosexual sexual activity would be a bit awkward, and they wouldnt set much of a heterosexual example: "Daddy, how do people make babies?..."

But that is not a reason. There are exceptions, though by your thinking they cannot be called families either, because they are the exception to a very disturbing norm.

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But at least they used to be families...

That's why they're called broken familes....With people that never get married...it's not even called a family when a man a woman never get married. It's live it.

We don't even consider them at all related. That has a tendancy to set a precedent on what we call families.

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Do you have any proof behind this to elevate it from the realms of opinion?

Thought not.

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you have no proof homosexuals are normal

you always say how wrong we are or how we been brainwashed to think it not normal

but you no diffrent, you never tell us why it is normal, you all just state to us it is normal, so you must be brainwashed to think it is normal?

my mother may be strange, but i agree with her, homosexuals should burn for their awful ways!

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you have no proof why it is abnormal we have asked you many times and you don't give a answer.

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but you have no proof it normal, why do you not use your own ideals when you do something?

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we ask you a question you answer it its normal becuase today in the "civieliced" world exept everybody nomatter what sex,race or sexuality, now answer your question.

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see, but that your opinion, you can not state and order to me it normal.

what give you right over me, jsut because more people on this forum agree with you?

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Homosexuality is abnormal...it's not a good or normal thing. That's not to say they don't deserve the same rights as anyone else though.

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she people may not like it but they still exept them as people unlike you if people are not like you in this case sexuality you hate them,now as asked countless times answer your question.

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You keep saying its not "normal", but what is your definition of normal?:uhm:

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I think it's safe to say the the heterosexuals are the standard and that the homosexuals are not; they are outside of the pattern.

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but what in there eyes they are normal and we are abnormal?

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Homosexuals are an abnormality, they cannot , unaided procreate themselves. Therefore they will die out. Normal humans, male and female can perpetuate themselves. What they think of the rest of us is of no concern or interest to me.

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No. Just because they think they're normal, doesn't mean they are. Akula is right on.

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yet that could be said about us it is a very difficult topic to end.

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No, it can't be said about us. As Akula said, we are normal; we can reproduce. They are abnormal; they cannot reproduce. I can't make it any easier to understand. The only thing that's perpetuating this particular topic is your failure to understand that they are not the norm.

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i am not dissagreing that they cant repo but they are normal in other sences e.g they like to watch the simpsons they are not abnormal in that manner.

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I think we are all thinking of different types or normal and abnormal.

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:agreed

We were on different pages, captwill.

EDIT: to clarify, I was strictly referring to their sexual preferences being abnormal, not their hobbies/interests/whatever.

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ok so now when we refer 2 normal we mean in sexual manner

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Yes, it would seem so. I think that you guys have been thinking about 2 different things, with the exception of Look at that who doesnt state.

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yes she has extreame opinions

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Homosexual people eat. They sleep. They like watching TV, or going for a jog, or owning a pet. They are completely and utterly like every other human being on this planet in every respect other than in the fact that they are attracted to the opposite sex.

That sounds normal to me.

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Fez, we argued how normal homosexual people are on the previous page. Putting their hobbies/interests/whatever aside, they are abnormal. They cannot reproduce more of themselves which makes them abnormal.

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Something being "abnormal" is shoddy justification for condemning it.

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I need proof to have an opinion? Since when was this verdict passed down? Which court was this?

The Fez Supreme court?

I gave MY reasons...They don't have to represent you...YOU go by a completely different moral code than I.

You'r code thus far is..."maybe maybe not." Wrong is right and right is wrong. That's what you're telling me.

You're saying I'm wrong because the GAY doesn't fit in with the creator's design of the family and doesn't equal fair if man isn't allowed to marry and copulate with anything he sets eyes on!

Give-me-a-break. Mine is not the only opinion being swung around.

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What like kiddy fiddlers, they are abnormal...aren't they?
You don't have to condemn something, just not approve of it.

The one thing I can never understand about homosexuals (I don't approve of the use of the word gay, it means merry happy, etc not shoving parts where they where not meant to be) is why they need to flout show off their sexuality. I know a few homosexual couples, and what I notice is that they have pictures on their walls of muscle bound men holding babies/or just partly clothed muscle bound men, you know the sort of black and white print. But when I visit my normal friends/couples, then look no pictures of partly clad people at all. Why this need to scream to the world "look at me I'm queer"?
Humanity did not label these people "QUEER" for no reason...

Change its name, call it what ever you like. We don't approve! It may well be polite to accept them publicly, to be cool, to be PC. But behind closed doors we find them to be an abomination, a perversion, a symptom of all that is wrong with this world.

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Yes, but I seriously hope that's not the reason you "disapprove" of them...

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I do condemn the practice.
I can not support it. I don't support it because it's not God's view it's man's view.

And if man's view was so much better I don't think the world would be as it is...A peice of crap....

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I do not condemn it. I was merely clearing up the fact that they are indeed abnormal. As I said on the page before, they still deserve the same rights.

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Just as in the same way "handicapped people" have rights, well all humans should enjoy the same rights in a civil society. But that does not mean that we want more handicapped people, that we should actively promote such things. What I find to be most the most repugnant aspect is that they want to be married, which is a religious belief and ceremony, for if you believe in marriage then you must believe in God and the teachings of the bible, which forbid homosexual behaviour. I'm all for them to have civil partnerships so that they have the same legal rights as heterosexual people. But marriage NO. homosexual priests NO. Its like a white person wanting to join a black organisation like the Association of black police officers (which quite frankly is a racist oxymoron imo). Or a man wanting to join the women's volleyball team (I see the attraction) or such like.
I do believe that the homosexual community has a lot to offer society, some of our greatest entertainers are or have been homosexuals.
Persecution is wrong, as is preferential treatment, or the promotion of one group above another, so please no Pink Parades, gay marches, after all when was the last time you saw a Straight sex march?

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why should people have rights, just because they choose to have sex with same sex!

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everyone has rights...if you dont have rights then you wouldnt be on the computer telling us your views on gays....therefor if someone was to take away peoples rights you wouldnt be here i wouldnt be here and the people around this thread wouldnt....so you need rights wether it be gay rights or humand rights in genreal.

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yes, but it is wrong that in western nations, gay pride parade walk down street in daylight,

children and traditional old people must be very upset from seeing this nasty behavior

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old people? HA if you would see one of those parades you wil see old people and there grand childen linded up cheering them on...more and more people are accpeting gay people now days...you and people that think like you are becomeing a Minority

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mayb minority in western world, where morals are being destroyed!

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is that the only thing you can say...all the time you say that here in the west morals are been dedtoryed...yet you yourself are proving how backwards and stupid china is with your thoughts....i can only hope that you are just some idiot petending to be chinese just to get under peoples skins....if not then you really need to open your eyes and see how the world is changing and you should change too...

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well no, i am chinese, which makes it more upsetting for me, as their are homosexual bars in Beijing and Shanghai!

and more and more youth are accepting such creatures

my mother, father, grandparents and all their friends think better i think, you always say i not prove things, but you do not prove to me why it is normal and why they should be allowed to marry, when i think that they should not have bars, marriage or parades, just they should stay quiet if they persist in being immoral and degrading

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would you take away a childs right to hug his or he mother in a shoppingcenter?

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what!!!!

we do not do that, you think police here do that?

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no but i am saying that child has his right to hug his mum just like a man has a right to show his love for another man.