Pope offendes muslims
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5349578.stm
once again muslims are offended..........and protesting. boy am i really getting tired of this "im offended by what you say, im gonna protest" this is another example of the differences between christians and muslims. christians dount protest like crazy when someone offendes their religeon. they take it and thats that...not with muslims. why dount christians do it when some high ranking muslim official offendes christianity.

this is a great example how religeon divides the world.

i am really really getting tired of this, people need to stop brainwashing their children or else world problems are never gonna go away.:uhm:
and i mean this in all of the world.

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Is this going to be a christians > muslims thread?

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no, i just said when it comes to this sort of issues christians are more moderate.
i dount go to church, remember that.

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No it is gonig to be a atheist vs christian vs muslim thread. Atheists will claim that religon is evil, chrisitans will defend what the pope said,a nd muslims will condemn it.

All I'll say is it is a little silly if a guy quoting a 14th century emperor offends you.

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And most people here don't live in Israel or Palestine, but they still take sides. ;)

Anyhoo... yeah, the muslims are complaining quite a bit lately (it seems to me, although I havn't really been keeping up.) But, these Christians in the US complain just as much. I think the news is just a bit too biased when it comes to muslims. Giving them too much attention where it doesn't belong.

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The difference is Chrisitans complain, Muslims riot.

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Oh, cry me a fucking river. :cort:

Why must religious nuts (both Muslim and Christian) get offended by trivial garbage? God doesn't cause conflicts, religion does...

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They wouldn't be rioting if we'd just try to be nicer to them. We've already got terrorists and Middle Easterners hating us, why fuel the fire.

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they may complain but i havent heard of a christian protest march agenst something that offended them.

isreal shouldnt be a country, if you look at history then you can take a side.

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And the US shouldn't be a country, and Russia should have most of its land taken away, and Australia shouldn't be a country, and so on. If we all thought like the way you just explained it, then we'd all be fucked.

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If it weren't for Christians we wouldnt have had World War I and II, we wouldn't have the fall of Rome nor the Middle Ages, or the three crusades. In fact rome was boardering on developing the first calculator right before the introduction of Christianity as the main religion and then the fall of itself. Rome even had developed the first battery. Unfortunatly Christianity set us back 1800 years.

Christianity has led to more war than has Islam.

Its called the IRA.

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It is hard to be nice to someone when they blow things up, riot, burn flags (and KFCs), and in general yare too loud for their own good. Seriosuly I'm all for religous tolerance, but there is no need to riot because you are offended.

Men start wars. Religon can't start a war as it is merely a through, a belief. It is when someone warps those beliefs to their own benefit that you get war. The Catholic church was corrupt(and is still to some degree) but the religon itself is incorruptable.

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I agree. People care too much. But, you can't just hit somebody, because they hit you. That philosophy doesn't get anywhere far.

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AMEN!

What doesn't offend the damn muslims:rolleyes:

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A single terrorist group. But when Muslims get offended they ALL RIOT. Or atleast all of the ones in the middle east(and france)

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Maybe when we stop being total dicks to the muslims, then they might stop.

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But we won't stop being dicks till they stop. Hmm, sticky wicket iddin it?

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Are you implying that we should massacre rednecks?

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What was the Nazi party?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
The reason we don't see Christian terrorist groups is because we live in a Christian dominated West, where we use politics, coorporation, money, and stealth bombers instead of riots to attack Islam. If it were reversed we would see what we saw 900 years ago in the Crusades.

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:uhm: Um... what?

I don't really get your meaning here. I am just saying that every action has a reaction. We arn't dicks to them(I am using "we" loosely here) for no reason, or just because we are douchebags. We are doing it because, atleast from this side of the fence, it appears that Muslims are violent and destructive. Now, I know that isn't the case for the most part, but they do often riot over... well over just about everything.

Also I should note that I find czech's analysis of Isreal odd considering the Jews weere there before the Muslims. And going back even further there were various religon's inhabiting the area which have since disappeared. So, using his logic, Isreal has every right to exsist there.

The Nazi party wasn't any particular religon. The higher-ups had a sort of pseudo0cultist type thing going on. On one hand they quite liked the things such as the Arc of the Covenant and other such religous artifacts, but they really just wanted them for their own benefit, not because they acually believed in any sort of religon. Hitler was defintly not Chrisitan is his beliefs.

Like I said, it is small groups of Chrisitans who are physically violent towards others. Then we have smallg roups of Muslims that are violent towards others. Then you have the Chrisitan majority who are peaceable and try to get their points across using peacerul means. Then you have the Muslim majority which is half riots and half peaceful.

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Well, considering I'm not an atheist, that would make this a "Christians vs Muslims vs Athiests vs Agnostics" *whew* ;)

Riots aren't always a religious or location thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_riots

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots

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I never said they were, I'm just saying that in comparing the majority of Chrisitans and the majority of Muslims Muslims tend to be a bit more violent. It is nothing like the violence that the terrorists groups on both sides show, but it is still violent.

First off I can't believe you are saying that Hitler was not a christian.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm
The reason the "higher ups" were looking for the Arc of the Covenant was to link the German's back to their Christian past.

They are peaceable because they get their way... Gay marriage is illegal, abortion is frowned upon, and there can be little claim to a seperation of church and state in the Southern United States. George Bush even claims that God wanted him to be president, if you really wanted to argue that the war in Iraq was based on religious reasons you would definitly have a point.

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He wasn't a real Chrisitan though. Yes you can say you are a Chrisitan but you arn't really if you kill millions of people. Jesus Christ himself, the model for Chrisitanity, said to turn the other cheek, and to treat others as you want to be treated. If you don't always follow them then you are still fine because you are only human, but if directly go against them then you are not a real Christian.

So you are saying if you don't get your way it is ok to kill people? I like that.

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You can't go around picking the most peaceful people and calling the Chrisitans. I can say the Bin Laden is not a Muslim because he doesn't go by the peacefulness of the Koran.

"Of those who answered the call of Allah and the messenger, even after being wounded, those who do right and refrain from wrong have a great reward."

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors."

no I will repeat what everyone else is saying, all religions are dangerous because they are basically cults.

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Exactly... Honestly, I didn't think you'd look very far in your own writings, so I wanted to test you to confirm my theory.

Now we are going to 'who started it first'? Sure, we can't expect the whole population to be mature and forgive eachother, but you're supporting this? :vikki:

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How far do you have to look? All I was indicating was that in this particular scenario both sides arn't willing to forgive, so the feud continues.


No, I am not supporting it. I've always advocated relgious tolerance. One of my friends growing up when I was little was a Muslim and he is still our neighbor. I live in one of the largest concentrations of Muslims and Arabs outside of the middle-east, and I can hear the Muslim call to prayer every day. Within a 2 mile radius from my house there are atleast three mosques that I can think of. I've probaly had more contact with Arabs and Muslims then anyone besides a few on these forums. And I have never, ever, ever had a sinlge problem with any of this, and I have infact been friends with many of them.

I am merely pointing out the fact that neither side is ready to forgive and forget because when one sides does something the other side gets into a huffy about it. The only difference being in the way they react.

I'll make sure to go tell that to my Chrisitan friend who just went over the summer to Nicaruga to help build a school. Or maybe I should tell it to my school's campus minister who organizes school field trips to a thing called Focus:Hope where we helped package up food bundles to be sent off to the needy of the city of Detroit. Or maybe I should tell that to the hundreds of my classmates who went to grade schools in the area to help autistic children. Or maybe I should tell that to the thosands of religous charities which funnel hundreds of thosands of dollars to people around the world who need it. Or maybe I should tell all of this to Mother Teresa or Ghandi.

Until you have done these things, you have no right to be so incredibly disresepctful to religous people around the world. The good, kind, religous majority(all religons, Chrisitan, Muslim, Buddist, Hindu) has done more for this world then any single organization could possibly ever hope to accomplsih.

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Don't know about you or anyone else, but I tend to *try* and find the source of problems, indstead of jumping to conclusions and taking sides.


You are supporting it, and you're supporting it by saying it's ok to strike back at the muslims for starting it.

Well, if you've already acknowledged that both sides aren't ready to forgive and forget, then you should have probably realized that this whole christians vs. muslims thing is stupid.

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so why is it that hitler killed high ranking christian leaders??? why did he kill so many chrisitians then?
if you look at history you will see you are false.

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Because they were in his way, similar to how bin laden killed american muslims on 9/11, they had swayed away from his belief so didn't care about killing them.

Well its ironic how your friends, mother teresa and ghandi helped countries enslaved by western imperialism and made poor because of it. The reason why these lands were captured, according to the White Man's Burden was to spread their greatness and their religion. They are solving problems that christianity caused them. As for helping autistic children and the poor, i hope you understand that the guy on television talking about giving $1 a day to his charity for Christian Children's Fund is not giving the poor the full $1 back, this is their JOB they need some of the money back so they can live. They are the same as you and me except they are deceiving you into believing you that they are a better person and doing it by volunteering, just as you are trying to deceive us the Christians are more charitable than any other person on this planet.

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christian missionaries should stay out of africa. because they have their own culture and your trying to force a bible down their throats. he helps build a school that in turn helps the church by adding members by preaching in that school.
EDIT: wow guys lets get this back on the topic, this is sounding like another religeous thread.

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so what if he did, the muslim faith can be attacked after all its just a way of thinking and we are can attack it.
people treat offense to religion as badly as racism, this is just stupid.

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Difficult to say much about this without knowing more about the speech. Just taking a few words out of context and getting all angry about them doesn't make sense. That's more like the "Jehova"-scene in "the Life of Brian".

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I think both are in the wrong. The pope shouldn't have offended muslims, and muslims shouldn't overeact like this. If you are a high ranking religious figure, and you say something like this you are asking for trouble. But you are also asking for trouble if you hold up signs saying all non-muslims should be beheaded.

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I'm fairly sure the Pope is Catholic.

Religion is the number one cause of problems. It doesn't bring peace, it brings war. This doesn't just apply to Muslim beliefs either, lots of other religions are to blame.

All strong religious people overeact, simple as that.

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The fact that the pope made a reference like this is quite interesting. Has the Vatican’s passive stance finally stalled? The quote for which he is being demonized for is actually quite an accurate observation pertaining to the Islamic beliefs.

“Spread by the sword.”

Is the pope jealous that they can do it, and Christians and Catholics can not. hehe

Christianity, Catholicism and whatever else is no better and no worse then Islamic belief in my opinion, they are both bringers of trouble in any event.

Whatever minor help these beliefs accomplished on the ethical side, has long since been overshadowed by the damage they have done to clear and honest thinking.

Someone mentioned building a school in Africa or god knows where, and it was pointed out that the help the church provided was for problems the church created. That is so true.

The Christians and Catholics of America and similar countries weld much worse weapons then simple mobs with firearms and moltovcocktails. For they use politics, corporations, moral legislation, personal degradation and many, many other avenues as weapons.

Why is it that a religious title like priest is almost synonymous with child molestation? Because it was consciously overlooked and neglected for so long, it earned that right.

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I agree. I think everyones getting a little over sensitve with religion these days. In the paper here all the time there is always something about muslims or other religions complaining about something these days.

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Mahomed just said loud what the christians were thinking (and what they did). This is just one side trying to show that it is better than the other in this constant war of religions which consists at getting the most people following what you say.

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Nope. People forget - People use this strategy because it WORKS. Riot, blow up cars, assassinate people, ect - people will obey you. Just like the Spanish voters and the Danish newspapers.

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We have tried, and failed at secular attempts to fix africa for the past 50 or so years. Give relgion a chance down there. Yeah, we are shoving it down their throats, but they need morals.

I think both sides are to blame for this. The pope is to blame for quoting the guy in the first place. The last pope would have not even conciered saying something along the lines that this one did.

The muslims are to blame for going crazy over a 600 year old quote from a long dead person.

Both faiths have strayed way too far from their roots.

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Africans have been difficult to convert since the 1400s/1500s when the Portuguese went down there for the first time.

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I found the whole thing stupid just like I founfd those riots stupid.

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I havn't taken anyones side. I am of the same opinion as the others that everyone is doing something wrong in this case. Chrisitans are offending Muslims and in turn the Muslims overreact, then that sets of the Chrisitans again which causes the Muslims to overreact again. It is everyone's fault, not one side or the other's.



When did I say it was ok to strike back at the Muslims for donig it? I just said that it is hard not to. When someone punches me in the face I have a tendency to want to punch them back. I never said that was a good thing, I was just pointing out that it would be the same for many people.


I did realize that, what gives you the impression I didn't?

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Popes in glass houses should not throw stones...

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Muslims overreact....its the truth,the only truth and nothing but the truth.
The Pope quoted something which is 600 years old.
I found no harm in that.

These stupid protests over such ittybitty things which make me tired of Muslims.
most of the protesters seemed to be villagers....uneducated villagers who think the Pope has has joined the Coalition of Willing to destroy Islam or something. :rolleyes:

Can't they do something better by overthrowing corrupt governments?

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I think both Christians and Muslim should sit at a table and... play Trivial Pursuit, the smarter wins. Oh, and if there' s a typo on a card you don' t get the point.

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religeon is NOT gonna fix africa, it is just gonna divide people more.
in somalia it was muslims vs. christians, muslims now have control of mogidishu. it is just gonna divide africa more. what gives you the right to force your religeon on them because you have more money than them, they have thier own culture.

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Hitler was not looking for the Ark Of The Covenant to build Christian beliefs, he was looking for the Ark because according to some Prophecies of the time whatever Army carried the Ark would never be defeated.

This concept overlooked historical precedent where the Phillistines defeated the Isrealites and captured the Ark only to return it later.

I was also amused and incensed that a Islamic group calling itself "The Lions Of Monotheism" burned a Greek Orthodox Church. The Orthodox Church is not the same as the Catholic Church but apparently some Muslims dont distinguish between the two.

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Its not a problem that can be fixed by outsiders. Its up to you to knock some sense into your rowdy associates... one way or the other.

If you need help, remember your friendly neighborhood special ops team - open 24/7!;)

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Pope sucks dogs nuts, like all religions, if his speach isnt insighting violence and hatered what is, holey war on the horizon ? , ppfftt, catholics, christians, mormans, baptists, angelicans, what the f%$k ever there all as bad as eachother, they all teach LIES, they all atone to BRAINWASHING there victims, hum, followers, blow the vatican up, its as fugly as Israel !
Dont you love free speech now the churches cant stop it.......
This post would have got me killed not so long ago [had they had pc's ! ], what a set of morals they really had.....