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This is the violent nature of this culture (that of the extremist middle-east, Islamnimity irreleveant), and it needs to end. People have said for many years, "That's there culture/country/way of life", but now people have to face the fact that this culture is reaching out to interdict freedom, whether it be of the press or of speech outside of their own nations, not that I condone or beleive we should ignore the injustices they impose on their own nations, but it's started to stretch beyond borders, beyond maps, now this culture can extend it's violent influence into other nations, so begins the IVth crusade, and nobody would have expected it's starters.

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Indeed. The middle east must be a horrible place to live; unstable governments, suicide bombings, violence, dictatorships.....not to mention the heat!

Anyways, i still think the pope could have thought about what he'd say better, considering it's the 21st century he should know better. Then again, i think history passes popes more or less unnoticed.

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Good point, but it's also used as a tool to gain power, i.e. extreamists and such. Here's a good quote by The Strokes. "Religion is never the problem, it's the people who use it to gian power."

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It's not the religion's fault. I hate how people keep blamming acts like this on the religion. It's the politics of the region, and the people being brainwashed into thinking that. People are way too ethno-centric here sometimes.

There are over a billion Muslims in the world. The ones doing this and getting on to the news are a small percentage. Most Muslims are just at home trying to etch out a survival since their governments are very corrupt.

Why do some of you guys insist on trying to expose Islam's faults, while trying to up play how superior Christianty is in those senses. The only reason why we don't see good Christians rioting in the streets is not that their religion says anything against it, it's that the respective countries have laws to enforce against rioting. And another reason is that people are becoming more and more secular as the years go on. The Church virtually has no power anymore, whereas hundreds of years ago they practically owned Europe.

Christians used to butcher Muslims and Jews in the days of the Crusade over religion. If you questioned Christianity in some countries, you had the Inquisition all over your ass. They continued to persecute people until some got smart, and moved towards being secular. Power got put into the hands of monarchs, and more got taken away from the Church. This didn't happen because of religion, but because of human ethics. Nonetheless, when Europe began her reign of Imperialism across the world, people of other religions were persecuted.

Now the media across the world is used for one thing- to bring a sense of pride and faith in ones nation or ideal. About everytime some Muslims do something, they'll be a media story somewhere in order to further the hate.

Those guys would've killed the nun even if the pope's speech had never happened. I think you guys know this, but most of Africa has alot of warfare. They kill over resources and power, not religion. They just throw religion in there to try and gain fighters. Why do you guys make a big deal about the Nun? Why not about the thousand civilians that have had their lives cut short by civil war?

I know someone is going to mention Darfur, but that isn't over Islam, that's over Pan-Arabism. Arabian governments have been known to persecute minorities who aren't Arab, even if they are Muslim. Syria has a policy like this, Saddam did the same to Kurds and Shi'as.

If the governments of the West didn't have laws protecting minorities and people practicing other religions, there would've already been alot of dead Muslims lying around. People are deferred from murder if they know there is some sort of punishment against it. And fortunately for the Church, when a Muslim does get beat or killed, it's usually do to hate, not for Christianity. The same goes for this. It's all hate, not religion.

I don't think the Muslim response was very good. But that was mainly due to the fact the political stations there twisted the speech into making them look bad. They exploit religion for political power.

And there is no real peaceful religion, with the exception of Hinduism and Buddhism. Many religions have passages where they encourage their followers to strike down those who don't follow them. Islam has a few, but so does Christiainty.

Yet like Islam, Christianity stresses tolerance at the same time. They set down rules like no murder or adultery, and yet some of their followers still do it.

And like Muslims, Christians try to distance those who try to use their religion as a way to justify their actions.

And there are many groups that try to do the same, to use Christianity to justify their actions. And what do Christians do? They denouce them. They state the flaws in their beliefs, and condemn them. Muslims want to do the same, but doing so will usually result in getting the Terrorist group or Government pissed off, and will lead to a long stay in prision, or a bullet in their head.

I don't approve of how some of these Muslim's reacted, but then again I don't approve about how people try to generalize Islam and downplay her beliefs.

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What the hell does shooting an innocent old lady respond to the comment? That's just sick and horrible.

The world would be a much better place if there were no religion's.

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And if religon turned out to be right, and religon was destroyed and the beleifs that went with it, we'd all be damned too.

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i think we can take that chance.

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"You" think we can, but the roughly 4 billion religious people out there aren't so easy to take that chance on eternity. And what to do to the religious, strip them of their bibles, tell them there's no God, and force them to beleive what you beleive, that would unleash more war and chaos than any religon could have started.

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I really don't know what a "TRUE MUSLIM" is? They took the poll in the middle east and it was 100% that Israel should not exist. Most of those where "TRUE MUSLIMS" and not the fanatics.

Here are what "TRUE MUSLIMS" in the UK that are British Citizens think of Jews.

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I've never heard of this poll.

Sure, you take a poll in Hezbollah controlled Lebanon and the Palestinian areas, they'd probably vote that out of fear.

Plus, that relates to Pan-Arabism, it has nothing to deal with Islam.

And with Iran, that's just their policy.

In the Koran, it states-