Re: Pope offendes muslims
 

I am not a Catholic, so it is not really any of my business what the Pope speaks out against. But that was not my point. I just provided an example of one Muslim cleric who spoke out against terror.

Re: Pope offendes muslims
 

Are'nt Muslims supposed to be one of the most literate of groups?

It was my understanding that reading and writing are required so as to be able to read the Qur'an.

Since the reading the Qur'an was required Islamic areas went to great lengths to make sure followers could read the texts.

Re: Pope offendes muslims
 

Stop saying that. I really don't think that's the case.

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Actually it almost is by the way :\

Yes, the first verse was "Read" and the surah is called "Al-Qalam", the Pen(or pencil) But in some areas, lets say for example afghanistan not everyone is taught to read and write, and some times the extremists themselves teach how to read and write, and ofcourse give off a litte fundamnetalism in thier teachings. Thats not as common as before though.

I honestly couldnt catch the emphasis on why your mentioning this though heh :\

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It is all one sided to you

I really don't see Muslims speaking out at all.

During WWII there was a group of Japanese American soldiers that enlisted and became the most decorated unit in the USA. They fought hard against Japan...their own country where their ancesters came from. You don't see that with Muslims here in the USA. They avoid the military.

You don't see Muslims talking against terrorists. I think the there is a growing trend towards the radical groups in Islam.

You honestly think we are targeting Muslims? I think it is the other way around.

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I really dont know what your trying to say.

Again, re read my last post before these 2. Grand Imam El-Tantwi of Al-Azhar(one of the oldest and most prominent universities in the world, AND islamic centres) has spoken out against terrorism, an dmany muslims have..for the hundred's time, You live in a nation controlled by many people who dont let many things get through like that, or the Israeli aggressions for example.

Before I continue on..are you 100% sure about your statement? Are you VERY sure about it? Because It's time once again, for some more facts and statistics for you :D. Anyho wlets go on here..For a fact, as me being in JROTC, My SAI(Senior Army Instructor, was artillery and SpecFor/Rangers) Has HIMSELF, told me of the great times he had with MUSLIM ARABS(Yeah you heard it correctly, Muslim Arabs, in the UNITED STATES ARMY) This is coming froma Luitenant Colonel. Now let me drag out some links about muslims in the united states military:

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPentagon....20011121a.html (8 chaplains, many others are in combat, like the ones my SAI has worked with)
http://www.dawn.com/2004/10/16/int1.htm

hmm, im gonna have to go log onto my laptop, to bring the rest of the links. Although a Lt.Col's remarks, and two links should be sufficient might not be enough for you. And PLEASE next time before making an outrageous statement like that prove it.

(oh yeah and me, im not in JROTC for no reason[well actually its to get into ROTC]) EDIT: Oh yeah forgot to add, Captain James-Yee(or was it lee) was a very famous case with a muslim in the US Army)

I dont know it seems to me, that alot of things(like maybe cartoons or quotes) for example are to piss muslims off..or how america and SOME parts of europe doing things as well..

Re: Pope offendes muslims
 

Anotherwords Darth...you only see things from the Muslim perspective. Muslims can do no wrong. Only the USA and of course Israel and Jews can do no right.


Well let's see. There are close to 1 billion Muslims. Most of them are quiet. It is like they are afraid to speak out. If they don't speak the truth..then this whole radical extremist crap with give Islam a bad name if it hasn't already.
The only Muslim I heard about in the Army was the Sgt that fragged his surperior officers...killing a few of them. It only states that "Over 4,000 active-duty". That doesn't seem like anything when there are over 1 billion in the world and estimated 5 million Muslims in the USA. There are around 843 mosques and 165 muslims schools here in the USA. That is less that .0008 % of the American Muslim population in the USA join the Military. That is less than 100th of 1%.

Are you planning to be an officer in the U.S. Military?

You don't see the results of those "pissed off muslims"? You are blind to your faith.

Re: Pope offendes muslims
 

How so?

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Well, ignoring the fact that not all of those 5 million are actually within the right age range to join the army and that the actual figure is 0.08%, you say there are 1 billion (assuming, as you did, all could fight) muslims in the world.... and what percentage of them are currently attacking civilians, or actively "waging war" againts "the West"? To be greater than the percentage of those in the USA Army figures would have to exceed 800,000, and I don't that's the case.

Unless you were trying to point out more Muslims join the USA army, percentage wise, that those that choose to actively fight against it, I'm not sure what your point was.

Re: Pope offendes muslims
 

Then what is it? Are the Muslims attacking us for no reason at all?